The reason League of Legends is slowly declining

General Esdeath ·Jul 10, 2016·4 votes·961 views

It's not the reworks or the balance changes, it's Riot's outlook on reporting people. It's fine to troll, intentionally feed, or afk, those don't get banned. BUT DON'T YOU DARE SAY A BAD WORD TO SOMEONE. Even though I can mute the guy calling me every name in the book, he's gonna get punished before the guy who intentionally fed in my game before going afk. Why? And don't say "The system can scan chat logs so it's faster" because it can also detect an afk. So why will he get off with nothing while the guy who called me a name will be punished ASAP?

21 Comments

Dominick DestineJul 10, 20164 votes

I tend to agree.

The moderators on the forums and the people handling disciplinary action in-game are extremely draconian. I remember S1 - S3 where it was nowhere near this feminist/leftist oriented. It was a lot more free form and people were not as restricted.... my first account was permabanned in S2 but I was unbelievably toxic and deserved it 100%. This time I got permabanned FROM ZERO DISCIPLINARY LEVEL for something very insignificant (I.e. zero to permaban). Things have changed drastically.

I suppose with Riot clearly capitulating to that particular agenda, it was only a matter of time before severe restrictions were in place. I wish Morello was in charge again across the board.

Morello was the best.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

Don't worry, we have Lyte's amazing system to save us :^)

alasarcherJul 10, 20161 votes

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Don't worry, we have Lyte's amazing system to save us :^)

It actually is amazing system. As u can see by ammount of threads alot of toxic creatures got punished. Also, system is already active, there is no "focus more on toxic than on trolls". System that catches toxic is already implemented, its done. There is no more focus on it. So your thread makes no sense.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20161 votes

What system are you thinking of? Because I'm talking about the DQ system trying to reduce toxicity despite allowing low priority queue players (People who afk/flame) to play with normal players as long as they're pre-made.

BloodmorneJul 10, 20162 votes

because a bad company handles things bad ways , making things worse. [slayer-jinx-catface]

DereqJul 10, 20161 votes

Its only logical that insults and words inputs are far(very far) more detectable than behaviour and "intentions" like trolling and feeding. All fo them are not ok in my opinion.

Strong language<>insults repetitive Strong Language=harrasing

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20161 votes

And yet afk players aren't punished despite being just as (if not more) detectable. I can call you a shit nose in arabic and the system won't understand. But I can't afk in arabic.

DereqJul 11, 20161 votes

have u ever had to afk? I mean no one knocked on ur door, called on ur phone, or had to go to the bathroom? never got ur internet disconnected or had a crash. There are things in real life that cant allow 10 people sitting in front of a computer for stright 40 min.

As for calling names, if no one reports a harrasment then no one will take matter on the issue.

Im not condemning but it would be unfair to be punished for taking away some minutes to do actually relevants things. For those that afk one and again im pretty sure the system works very quickly.

General Esdeath Jul 11, 20161 votes

By afk, we're talking people who rage quit. They do it more often than once. And yet no punishments.

SquarepusherJul 10, 20161 votes

The answer is, they just want to have a computer system automatically respond to "Reports."

Its difficult to ban for feeding or trolling, since a computer can't handle that and requires human review (which means Riot has to pay workers to do this). Obviously they are a business and want to cut expenses, but yes I agree their current system is hurting them a lot and they will bleed players since there is no sense of justice, just a random free for all of who can report who the quickest.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20161 votes

I think they should add tribunal back but take away the reward, then you only have people bored or wanting to fix the problems. I'm sure Riot could throw a few of the shekels they're saving up into hiring employees to review these cases.

Kei143Jul 10, 20161 votes

intentional feeding / AFK / trolling (defined as intentionally trying to ruin people 's game, such as spitting your team into the enemy as Tahm Kench) are punished with a 14-day ban first punishment and permanently after.

The visibility for the ones providing the reports are lacking right now. Tribunal 2.0 is coming, intended to compliment and build on the current system. Probably will come out after the new client is done and hopefully it will give us some more visibility.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20161 votes

I've kept their names and I check their match history for one month. So far only one has been banned (out of 12) but he also called me a "n*gger" in chat every 5 minutes so I'd imagine that's what hit him.

Kei143Jul 10, 20161 votes

sometimes, people you define as intentional feeding is just bad and matched against better skilled players.

and you can't be punished for being bad.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20161 votes

Running down my lane and dying 2 times then running bot while leaving mid open and doing the same thing? I don't think he's bad. And I check their history, some of them have a game of 4 item 3117 and are 0/10+.

AraMoOseJul 10, 20161 votes

You are responsible for your behavior, the feeder is responsible for his. If your problem is that you rage at feeders, then stop doing that and you'll be just fine.

The AFKs blame the ragers, the ragers blame the feeder, and the feederss blame the AFKs, none of them realize they are all the problem. Stop being part of the problem.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

I'm not raging at him, I'm raging at the system that won't punish him,

AraMoOseJul 10, 20161 votes

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I'm not raging at him, I'm raging at the system that won't punish him,

Well then it should be even easier to stop. The system is an inanimate entity that doesn't care how you feel about it, raging at it is a useless endeavour.

PS. of course it's important to remember that the system WILL punish him, as long as you and enough people report him for his actions.

General Esdeath Jul 10, 20162 votes

I have zero impact aside from my report. What are you talking about. Even if I called him a rude name the system would still punish him. And the system barely punishes ANYONE who does something like afk/intentionally feeding.

AraMoOseJul 10, 20161 votes

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I have zero impact aside from my report. What are you talking about. Even if I called him a rude name the system would still punish him. And the system barely punishes ANYONE who does something like afk/intentionally feeding.

I'm not quite sure I follow you here. What are you basing your claim that "The system barely punishes anyone who AFKs or feeds". You can find their posts here every day.

You will of course find fewer people getting punished for these offenses, for several obvious reasons.

a. They are harder to identify (hence why it's important to report them) b. They are less numerous, even though ragers tend to assume anyone who's died a couple of times is a feeder. c. Their behavior is usual more punctual, whereas ragers tend to go nuts at the first excuse (Jungler not ganking, someone missed an mia, teammates not following their orders, they made a mistake, someone else made a mistake... etc.)

DrCyanideJul 10, 20161 votes

Even though I can mute the guy calling me every name in the book, he's gonna get punished before the guy who intentionally fed in my game before going afk. Why? And don't say "The system can scan chat logs so it's faster" because it can also detect an afk. So why will he get off with nothing while the guy who called me a name will be punished ASAP?

Detecting an AFK is infinitely easier than detecting a troll or an intentional feeder. You can do it yourself if you've got any programming knowledge, use the Riot API and look for players that stay in the exact same spot minute after minute. Done, easy.

Next easiest is intentional feeding. Someone building boots of mobility and 5 zeals is easy to detect, and Riot detects them (they made a post about it a year or so ago). Someone who also dies over and over, minute after minute, also raises some red flags. But you have to not be too greedy and peg people who are unskilled or playing in a different but valid way (proxy Singed, for example). I genuinely had a 0/13/0 teammate who wasn't intentionally feeding, they were that bad.

Trolling is very hard to detect. What's the difference between high elo players duo Jungling during a lane swap and a troll who's following the Jungler and trying to steal camps? To the computer, absolutely nothing, they're the exact same play pattern. You've got to get a computer to recognise that specific pattern of trolling and create a very specific way to check for it that doesn't hit valid play styles.

As for language, that's significantly easier than trolling to detect because other companies already developed the software. You just plug in their language detection to your chat system and away you go. Depending on the system used, it's possibly easier than Intentional Feeding to detect.

Ultimately, language was prioritized because of Leagues reputation. It wasn't known as the game with the most intentional feeders, nor as the game with the most trolls, nor as the game with the most AFKs. It was known as the game with the most toxic community. That's something that doesn't do well for getting new players to join, so of course the priority would be fixing that reputation. They're turning it around, but if the chat logs that show up on the boards are anything to go by there's still a ways to go.