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I understand why I am punished but just something to think about

hotdogsaregud4ya·8/19/2018, 10:50:03 PM·1 votes·2,635 views

So I know why I got punished, it's because I am pointing out mistakes that a player made. I understand this is not a good reasoning or justification for why I said what I said, but in my opinion it is highly justified. Here's why.

So I played a blind summoner's rift, normally in bronze elo. I said this because most people I play with and against are usually unranked, bronze, or silver players. That being said, most people around this skill level lack understanding of the game since they only know what pros, high elo, and meta picks are but don't really have the mechanics or a deeper level of understanding for the reasons why people do and don't do things. I personally always felt it was a waste to play as a support and build support in these elos especially in a normal game because you are playing with people who are new and don't really know how to play yet. What gave me this realization is that Ive played several games where the enemy team would win with weird comps like yasuo adc or trynd and ryze top with no jungler. I used to be these bronze elo players who go like "oh hey they dont have jungler so we basically win" or "oh hey they dont have adc so we can take advantage of this and win since its yasuo adc". But boy do I lose many games from weird comps, and not because those weird comps are op. Because people in this elo are not used to being against weird comps and don't know how to react to it. They cannot adapt to the situation they are given. It would be the equivalent of playing teemo adc and winning because people don't know how to deal with teemo in low elo and still auto attack while blinded by teemo.

Though that may seem toxic what I said, it is how I feel from my experiences. And what I do to combat that and have a fun time, I just play a champ I want to play. This is so that whether I win or lose, I had fun and fun is what will keep me playing this game that majority knows as having a toxic community. My last game, I played ashe bot lane along with a tris. I was not a support nor an adc, just another laner like you would in aram where there is no role and people just share the lane together. Tris is farming and im poking the two bottom laners, trundle and volibear, get them both near 60-70 percent health when I can but they are constantly regening a lot because of natural regen and pots. Eventually, tris thinks she can go all in on them so she uses her jump, goes in and im helping somewhat but since it's pre6 we both got no items of course we will get outdamaged. I see that tris is almost dead around 10 percent health and the two are still above 30 percent each. I run away while tris dies since she does not have her jump anymore. She says something regarding that I didn't pick a support and did not help in that fight. I reply, newsflash they dont have an adc or support either. I tell her to just play because I want her to focus on the game instead of typing or giving up because I didn't pick a support. Later, tris dies again doing the same thing of jumping in and not having her jump then dying then says best support na. I tell her that news flash im not a support. Then I proceed to tell her the mistake she is doing because I want her to stop doing it, telling her that she uses her jump aggressively, then because she no longer has her jump she dies and then after dying just blames the fact that im not a support. Whether it is my fault or not that I did not play a support even though riot does not have a strict rule to say that you have to play as a support bot lane, the point is that tris should understand she does not have a support to peel for her so she should not play aggressively. But in low elo, people don't understand that and just blame others. Of course the team thinks im a troll because I did not play a support so im the obvious person to report if you dont really look deep into the situation.

You can read the chat log to get a gist of what happened. I am not saying im fully innocent, I already know the tribunal does not like when you point out mistakes people do because it can make them play worse, but my intentions are just to have tris focus on the game and not give up, and also to understand that I am still trying despite playing differently from the traditional meta comp of having an adc and support bot. I wanted to point out her mistakes because she constantly repeats them and is almost equivalent to running down bot but without being aware of it.

Towards the middle/end of the game, the tris said she was over it and saw her mistakes and said sorry for being toxic and throwing the game early. I am not sure if she still reported me at the end, but I know for sure the olaf was angry at me and had intentions to report me regardless so thats why i got punished after my logs popped up in the tribunal because tribunal does not care about what happened. As long as what you said was sort of negative, you are automatically punished if you get enough reports to show up in tribunal. Since I have a long history of getting reported, of course I pop up as soon as I get reported in one game despite the issue was between me and tris and tris and I both came to a mutual understanding and things became cool.

I am fully aware of the alternatives I could have taken. I could have just muted tris and the team and continue to play, and most likely they would sit at base and try to surrender and give up on trying because I did not pick a support. So even if I mute, people will just give up on the game because their morale is negative assuming I am not going to try because I did not follow traditional COMMUNITY built team comps. So muting is not a great solution other than just to help me avoid getting punished. The issue would repeat the next game and the game after that because people in this elo have a narrow mindset and anyone who picks different from traditional team comps or newly accepted team comps is automatically a troll who is not gonna try. Another alternative I could have done was just pick a traditional support so that the adc and team wouldnt be so confused by it and would not have such a negative attitude towards me, but that's not fun at all playing only things that are viable and popular. Or even better yet, I could just get bored of playing like a robot following guides and meta in a casual game and just avoid the game as a whole.

Here is my chat log, the one game where I spoke out and instantly got 14 day suspension. It only took 1 game because I was punished recently before this one so I am well aware why I pop in tribunal so quick.

Game 1 In-Game hotdogsaregud4ya: news flash they dont have adc or support either hotdogsaregud4ya: just play hotdogsaregud4ya: news flash im not a support hotdogsaregud4ya: why u play as if im a support and say best support na if im not a support hotdogsaregud4ya: there is no meme hotdogsaregud4ya: you just dont know how to play safe hotdogsaregud4ya: u used your jump went in died then blame me hotdogsaregud4ya: how is that my fault? hotdogsaregud4ya: its people like tris who make the game bad hotdogsaregud4ya: always whining and crying when they lose hotdogsaregud4ya: just play the game, im muting u hotdogsaregud4ya: back to what i said, u play as if you have a support, go ham, die, then blame me hotdogsaregud4ya: lol hotdogsaregud4ya: play safely dont blame me for your own fault hotdogsaregud4ya: lol hotdogsaregud4ya: 1/5 hotdogsaregud4ya: 0/2 hotdogsaregud4ya: im apparently throwing hotdogsaregud4ya: you know why i dont come when you are at 10 hp? cuz if i jump in to help i die along with you hotdogsaregud4ya: if u have 10 hp and i come help guess what happens? i die hotdogsaregud4ya: thats why its stupid for me to come help at that point hotdogsaregud4ya: if u have your jump, you could escape hotdogsaregud4ya: but you use your jump to go in as if i can back you up hotdogsaregud4ya: after you die and i have range what are they gonna do 2v1? they will run to me and kill me too hotdogsaregud4ya: they have more movespeed hotdogsaregud4ya: my slow is weak early and i have lower attack speed hotdogsaregud4ya: meaning i die hotdogsaregud4ya: so play safe hotdogsaregud4ya: save your jump for when they go on you hotdogsaregud4ya: not to go in cuz u dont have a support hotdogsaregud4ya: if you dont have a support hotdogsaregud4ya: dont go so ham hotdogsaregud4ya: and use your jump aggressively hotdogsaregud4ya: then die and blame me for it hotdogsaregud4ya: when u dont have your jump anymore thats your fault hotdogsaregud4ya: are you over it after i told you what you did wrong hotdogsaregud4ya: or would u still be talking if i was silent? hotdogsaregud4ya: meaning the reason you die is because you wasted it going aggressively without a support to back you up hotdogsaregud4ya: but blame me and make the game really toxic hotdogsaregud4ya: thats fine im just telling you that hotdogsaregud4ya: you were toxic because of your own mistake hotdogsaregud4ya: just saying i didnt like getting blamed for anything when u jump in and die and say i dont help hotdogsaregud4ya: it just isnt logical to help after that hotdogsaregud4ya: now im over it lets just play hotdogsaregud4ya: like i said from the start hotdogsaregud4ya: just play hotdogsaregud4ya: goteem hotdogsaregud4ya: its okay most people arent sure how to play when they dont have support hotdogsaregud4ya: im used to getting blamed hotdogsaregud4ya: i just want people to play and u are now so its cool Post-Game hotdogsaregud4ya: hey tris, takes a lot to come back and say sorry like that, respect

8 Comments

disregardable8/19/2018, 11:40:10 PM4 votes

"I want her to focus on the game instead of typing"

You should probably take your own advice, then. You spent like 30 lines of chat to say what 1 line could've said: "hey we don't have a lot of dmg yet, farm up and play safe until late".

Kei1438/19/2018, 11:09:23 PM4 votes

Actually you didn't get punished for pointing out their mistakes, you got punished for the insults that came after pointing out their mistakes.

But what is it that you wanted us to think about? I can't quite make it out with those walls of text.

hotdogsaregud4ya8/19/2018, 11:16:32 PM2 votes

That's fine. I am no angel. But trust me, even if I did not add the insult, pointing out mistakes really is a punishable offense. I've been told to by tribunal in a support ticket that I am not allowed to do such things. What I wanted people to think about is the fact that, pointing out mistakes should be allowed if the person you play with is being toxic to you despite constantly repeating mistakes and you point it out only because you want them to stop dying so the team can have a chance. Tribunal does not care why you are pointing out a players mistake, the fact that you point it out is an offense and you will get punished for it. I know about this because of a support ticket I submitted and someone replied saying that me pointing out other player's mistakes is negative and bad because it makes other players play worse so I know it's a bad thing to do according to the rules, but I believe there is justification to pointing out mistakes in certain situations

hotdogsaregud4ya8/19/2018, 11:44:15 PM1 votes

Also, I wish I could show you the timestamps because the messages are spaced apart

hotdogsaregud4ya8/19/2018, 11:53:18 PM1 votes

I guess to rebuttle what you said though, I only spent time typing because some of the team kept on typing and would not play. A few were sitting at base talking about me like I am a troll who gave up. Let's say if I took my own advice and said nothing, how would things be different? Even if I took my own advice and spent time playing and not typing at all, they would not try so it wouldnt be great having only me trying to play while the others sat and typed. I personally believe that it was more worth it for me to say those things and have them try after I had spoken than be silent all game and just focus on playing alone while 1 or 2 players spend time typing only while at base. After I did type what I typed, tris did start trying and even playing more safe. We were standing much more of a chance after I had typed all that but still lost because we were severely behind in kills and objectives. So me typing actually did some good and made tris and my jungler try their best to still make a comeback versus me saying nothing and them two just sitting at base and trying to surrender anytime it was up imo.

hotdogsaregud4ya8/19/2018, 11:57:00 PM1 votes

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"I want her to focus on the game instead of typing"

You should probably take your own advice, then. You spent like 30 lines of chat to say what 1 line could've said: "hey we don't have a lot of dmg yet, farm up and play safe until late".

oh sorry I didn't read what you wrote in quote. Yeah true, I could have just said one sentence. I honestly don't think there was any comeback after tris and I died once to their bot lane though honestly. The trundle became too strong after that lol. I will try that next time, I just hope they don't give me the typical response "If I had a support" and not listening to that sentence or anything I say.

hotdogsaregud4ya8/19/2018, 11:23:45 PM1 votes

Just as a disclaimer, I am not trying to revoke my punishment. I accept that I did do a small little offense saying "hotdogsaregud4ya: its people like tris who make the game bad hotdogsaregud4ya: always whining and crying when they lose hotdogsaregud4ya: just play the game, im muting u"

I said im muting tris as a bluff to have her not spend time typing about or to me so they can focus on the game, did not work though. But, as soon as I pointed out her mistakes, she saw her flaws and really did focus on the game. She stopped typing negative things to me, said sorry, and focused on the game. We still lost because at that point, we had so many deaths as a team and lost so many towers that there wasn't any way to come back after that, but had I remained silent, it would have been worse because the tris and entire team would just spend their time flaming me because I did not pick a traditional support and automatically say that was the reason tris dies. Olaf is mad at me because he came down bot to support the tris, but then their jungler came and it was 3v3. I ran away because tris died so it would be a 3v2 and olaf was almost dead. If I had kept fighting and died along with olaf, he probably wouldnt be mad because he would probably think well at least ashe tried so rip ff at 20. But since I did the smart thing and just backed off, he saw it as I did not help on purpose so he was intent on reporting me throughout the game. How did I know this? Because he constantly said report ashe

hotdogsaregud4ya8/19/2018, 11:43:35 PM1 votes

True. I type quick tho and type after I base and walk back to lane, does that count? I don't think I'm missing much if I type while walking to lane. This took me less than a minute to type by the way.