Unbanning permabanned accounts ?

D4V1D B·11/25/2019, 11:30:04 PM·1 votes·1,738 views

Most people who got perma banned changed ever since they got their account suspended shouldn't there be a way for those people to get their account back or proving themselves worthy of such like getting honor 4 or above in another account or getting to level 30 without deserved reports or something harder I'm not sure what, let's not forget that a lot of people flame because of trolls afks and inters and those rarely suffer any punishment, also being a passive agressive flamer like "you should really just focus on not dying so often :)" has no consequence which proofs how much of a change this system needs, of course that toxic people will probably remain toxic but not every single one and so there should be a way to prove that you are reformed and lifting the ban should be possible, or at least they should consider 1 year bans instead of permanent.

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KFCeytron11/26/2019, 12:41:07 AM9 votes

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Most people who got perma banned changed ever since they got their account suspended

Citation needed.

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shouldn't there be a way for those people to get their account back

No.

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or proving themselves worthy of such

Those players have proven themselves unworthy of such. That's why they're permabanned.

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like getting honor 4 or above in another account or getting to level 30 without deserved reports or something harder I'm not sure what

That has been tried before and always fails spectacularly. All it does is give known toxic players another opportunity to be toxic with access to all the champs and skins they used to have.

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let's not forget that a lot of people flame because of trolls afks and inters

"He started it" is not a valid argument.

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and those rarely suffer any punishment

"He got away with it" is not a valid argument.

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also being a passive agressive flamer like "you should really just focus on not dying so often :)" has no consequence

I've seen threads about punishments for excessively toxic passive aggressive chat, but at least it's better than traditional flame.

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which proofs how much of a change this system needs

I agree that toxicity needs more punishment, but the solution isn't to unban the worst offenders.

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of course that toxic people will probably remain toxic

And that is why permabans exist.

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but not every single one

Not worth letting all the rest run rampant.

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and so there should be a way to prove that you are reformed and lifting the ban should be possible

Already tried, massive failure.

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or at least they should consider 1 year bans instead of permanent.

Riot used to give toxic players a long series of gradually-increasing suspensions. However, they found that players who got more than a few punishments would never stop misbehaving and receiving punishments. As the goal of the punishment system is to eliminate rule-breaking and Riot has absolutely no interest in coddling toxic players, the system was changed to eliminate this long tail of irredeemable players. Compared to the hundreds or even thousands of typical players who are bothered over dozens or hundreds of matches ruined by a toxic player, that one player's ability to annoy people merits no sympathy or concern. The preferred outcome of punishing a misbehaving player is reform: according to Riot's figures, most players who get one punishment never get another. However, when a player refuses to stop breaking the rules after a few warnings (punishments), they are removed from the game with a permaban because Riot no longer believes them capable of reform.

GatekeeperTDS11/26/2019, 12:11:24 AM4 votes

Nah.

rujitra11/26/2019, 12:13:53 AM4 votes

Riot has tried this - twice actually. The first time, it has been confirmed that 95+% of players who were permitted to take part in this experiment failed - i.e. they kept being toxic after they got their main account back.

Sure, there is a small percent of permanently banned players who may be capable of reform. But unfortunately, based on data from League of Legends and other games, there is also a large percentage of players who will not reform - they refuse to accept their actions are wrong, they refuse to accept that they must follow the rules, they deflect and try to talk about "let's not forget that a lot of people flame because of..."

No. You flamed because you either lacked the self control to stop yourself, or because you legitimately thought it was okay to cause other people grief and force them to spend 20+ minutes in a match with someone that is rude and toxic. Either way, that is not an okay attitude to have - and the fact that you are still trying to blame "trolls afks and inters" shows that you are the exact type of person who is not reformed.

I'll close with this - if someone is actually trolling, they want a response out of you. So in giving them that response, you are not only worsening the situation, but you're actually doing exactly what the troll wants. If they are not actually trolling, and they're just playing bad, making bad decisions, or whatever it may be, then you're making them feel like shit and tilting them - which isn't going to make them play better, it'll make them play worse.

Imperial Pandaa11/26/2019, 12:20:33 AM3 votes

There was the Lvl 20 challenge way back when and that failed.

We had a more recent unban experiment in NA like 2 years ago. Never got official stats, but we did have some people post how they got unbanned and got banned again.

Saying trolls and what not "rarely face punishment" is a difficult statement. If you compare it to verbal cases, of course it would look that way. This is due to verbal being easier to catch. Meanwhile, trolling it flexible and not clear cut all the time. They accounted for this when setting up punishment tiers.

Verbal gets 3 punishments before a perm typically. One can skip tiers. Gameplay meanwhile gets 1 punishment before a perm.

KVbqbFsC8e11/26/2019, 12:35:44 AM1 votes

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Most people who got perma banned changed ever since they got their account suspended

I didn't. And in all honesty, I probably never will.

Quáx11/26/2019, 12:57:08 AM1 votes