Why be rude to those stilllearning?

Nyanthe·Dec 20, 2015·77 votes·3,981 views

I fail to understand why some people feel they have to insult new players and call them noobs when they are playing in the introductory level of the bot games. if you arent a noob you shouldnt be in there surely. If you want to play in that area accept that it is supposed to be for those who are still learning the game so keep your mouths shut and put up with mistakes instead of insulting those who are genuinely tying to learn the game. It's behaviour like that which gives games like this a bad name.

115 Comments

kétchùp chìpsDec 20, 201517 votes

When I was level 15 someone actually complained about me being 4-4 in beginner bots. Like, I'm still just learning how to play and control a champion, much less figure out the game strategy and mechanics lol.

Anyway, what's even stupider is when people smurf and harass the people they are playing with or against for having a lack of skill or knowledge. What did you expect????

NyantheDec 20, 20158 votes

exactly .. well said ... people who smurf in the beginner bots need to get used to the fact that some people actually are still learning ... we didn't all start playing it however many years ago it started. I had never even heard of the game till 3 days ago. The only way we are going to learn is to play and make mistakes ... no point in shouting at us for it .. it doesn't help ... usually it makes people annoyed or upset so they make even more mistakes and really stuff the game up for you. If you don't want to play with noobs then don't play in beginner bot games simple.

Clockwork MadokaDec 20, 20153 votes

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exactly .. well said ... people who smurf in the beginner bots need to get used to the fact that some people actually are still learning ... we didn't all start playing it however many years ago it started. I had never even heard of the game till 3 days ago. The only way we are going to learn is to play and make mistakes ... no point in shouting at us for it .. it doesn't help ... usually it makes people annoyed or upset so they make even more mistakes and really stuff the game up for you. If you don't want to play with noobs then don't play in beginner bot games simple.

I play a lot of bot games and I'm level 25 with runes...but I don't call anyone out on being bad, simply because it's bots. I've met some of the best people in bot games.[slayer-jinx-catface]

PykelDec 20, 20159 votes

the problem is its like the bullying effect, they got called a noob in normals so they play a bot game so they can call others noobs and feel good about themselves. not saying its ok just giving you the psychology behind it.tip for all new players 1. play with friends if you can. 2. mute someone the second they say something toxic, they are not worth your time.

RakvirDec 20, 20155 votes

First time ever playing Zed, I decided to use my EUW account in bots since free to play roster and all. Proceeded to have friendly banter in chat after effing up a LOT, commented on how unintuitive Zed's kit it. Way too combo-centric with lightning reflexes so I was genuinely glad to know I wasn't going to waste IP on him.

Harassed rest of game by xenophobic Riven player (xenophobia because earlier somehow mentioned I'm a Canadian and was berated for being a "hillbilly" and much worse that I am not allowed to post in these forums) for being retarded and that I needed to kill myself for sucking at a video game of all things.

Let me guess: "Riven player" explains it?

Edit: Also, I looked up their account after the match and it was literally their second game EVER on that account so I'm willing to bet still particularly salty after what was likely a perma-ban of their main account if they have this attitude as bad as it is.

roetkroetDec 20, 20153 votes

he is so right, he is not a cry baby, this is so annoying

MessaigaDec 20, 20153 votes

I think this stems from the nature of anonymity on the internet. There's no identification for a player other than their summoner name, so they feel safe in harassing others verbally. It seems as though the people who are extremely rude towards others have some desire to be a complete dick to another person without (immediate) repercussions, and as such they use this game as an outlet for it.

Fortunately the majority of people aren't complete ass-hats, hell some people are pretty cool here. It sucks that it's the negative voices that speak the loudest though.

TeslabladeDec 21, 20153 votes

It's like going into a kindergarten class and mocking their inability to solve algebra problems.

Stars ShaperDec 20, 20152 votes

I start being rude when they keep messing up with things that are not champion related (talking about normal games, not Bot):

face check bushes
solo plays against multitude
not helping team in general
chasing to sure death

In Bot games I might get a bit pissed off when they could actually help me and didn't just becuase they had to farm.

NyantheDec 20, 20153 votes

That is precisely why I play the lowest level of bot game so I can learn and make my mistakes without doing it in normal games which has a much more significant effect on other people's games. Having said that I don't usually do the stuff you listed but I do make mistakes. I am sure most players made mistakes on day 3 of playing the game.. if they didn't then they are some sort of super hero or lying to themselves.

Stars ShaperDec 20, 20152 votes

Oh man the first matches I made were a total mess xD I played the most idiotic things possible and knew only what half of the stat did and did work. Not to mention I had also to learn the basics of MOBAs.

Anyway this community must be full of saints if I got all those downvotes because I get angry at major fallacies when ppl keep going on with them, otherwise I wouldn't understand all these downvotes.

LeadpaintchipsDec 22, 20152 votes

there's a difference between getting angry and being rude. I rage at my monitor, yelling "Really? diving in as the adc?" "I get to be tank AGAIN because we have instalockers? #&%# WONDERFUL!" but I don't type it out, because that doesn't help at all. I type, if I comment at all "Maybe stay a bit farther back as the adc, 'cause you are the important one, and if you get nuked, we lose the team fight."

Gear KittyDec 20, 20152 votes

It's just fine. Chances are that toxic asshat had been slapped with a queue delay for being an asshat somewhere else, so he was burning through them in the easiest way possible.

Welcome to the game, sorry for the dregs. I've been around since the start of Season 2 (we're almost into 6 now), and I barely touched Normals until I reached 1000 Intermediate Bots games. Once I did however, I found I was well above what others expected a "fresh-faced, first time PvPing noob" to be. I spent most of my game time up to that point focusing on my teammates' plays, especially on champs I didn't know, along with a unhealthy love for LoL's Esports scene (I first learned about the game via the Season 1 World Championships).

My suggestion/advice?

Don't listen to the ragers. Report them after the match (the little red ! by their name in the post-game screen) and move on.

Watch some high-ranked and/or professional streamers on youtube or twitch (but not 'imaqtpie' and a few others, there's quite a few who just don't give a flying fudge most of the time). Bots is good for learning how to play a Champion or Role, but they don't teach you how to play against People. Only other People can teach you that. You've probably noticed it, but there's a box on the main game client where you can spectate high-ranked matches. I believe that is the single best thing Riot has done to help teach new players. Watch how they move, where they ward, how they set up for fights.

And never forget that it is Just A Game, =^.^=

NyantheDec 20, 20151 votes

Hey thanks for your post. I found the box where I can watch the high ranked games and have been doing that in downtime. I plan to move on from bot games when I have the mechanics more efficient. At the moment I am okay in laning (I think) but as soon as I get a champion challenge I panic and just start mashing keys. I am doing some custom just me and a bot games to try and get over the key mashing stage and learn better thoughtful rotations. So far the only champ I feel anywhere near comfortable on is Ryze. But I am trying others in the custom game to see what other ones I like.

ZaalonDec 20, 20151 votes

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Hey thanks for your post. I found the box where I can watch the high ranked games and have been doing that in downtime. I plan to move on from bot games when I have the mechanics more efficient. At the moment I am okay in laning (I think) but as soon as I get a champion challenge I panic and just start mashing keys. I am doing some custom just me and a bot games to try and get over the key mashing stage and learn better thoughtful rotations. So far the only champ I feel anywhere near comfortable on is Ryze. But I am trying others in the custom game to see what other ones I like.

Do you play with a friend or sibling? Thats what i do when i wanna practice champ mechanaics. We do a cutom together. No flaming, just gaming.

NyantheDec 21, 20152 votes

I just found out about a group called The Old Gamers ... Might go there to see if anyone my age group plays LOL

waspcreaturesxDec 21, 20152 votes

Personally if I'm playing a bot game, I'm only playing it to learn a new champion. There's a very good chance I SUCK with that champion. If I don't, then I LOVE when other people aren't amazing with their champions. Gives me more room for kills. I hate it more when I get a team of people who are amazing and the game ends in 10 minutes. I want a lengthy (~20min) bot game where I can get 15+ kills. If not games aren't to cushion your ego, what are they for?

kaltenashesDec 21, 20152 votes

i go bots to try champs, practice mechanics (i gotta learn azir, kalista's jumps, leblanc combo) or know my fps and ms

when i go to check my connection i really want a fast game

blkKalameetDec 21, 20153 votes

Do a custom game.

You have no fear of your team ending early while you try out tricky combos, can quit whenever you like at no penalty, and setting it up 3v1 intermediate is a good way to help you work on basic mechanics like csing under harass.

NyantheDec 21, 20152 votes

Great tip thanks :)

PunisherJBYDec 21, 20152 votes

The only time i ever get close to calling someone a noob is when i play support and get my adc 2 kills. Then they blow the lead doing stupid stuff because i try to save them and we both die. (i never say it in chat but i think it or will complain to a friend near by). My suggestion tho (it is probably said somewhere in the 90+ comments) find friends who you enjoy playing with and just relax and have fun. Playing with randoms is hit or miss.

SunriseSkaterKidDec 21, 20152 votes

Most players who play on low level accounts were probably banned, and are just playing on their alts till they get unbanned.

Why do you think those bashing on newbies got banned? Toxic.

So they see a bad player who doesnt know whats going on and just tears into them as being awful even if their only like level 7 playing their first normals.

LeadpaintchipsDec 22, 20152 votes

I'm sorry you have to deal with this. I love this game, it hits the sweet spot between Dota 2 (which is really intense on their mechanics) and HotS (which is a VERY casual game in general). Just enough ability spam without making it excessive, and enough mechanic depth to make it interesting without having to memorize all the stats. What is making me almost drop this game over others is the community. Not the boards so much as the random people in games.

The problem you bring up, I've encountered in every tier of game, from basic bot matches to my admittedly low silver 5 ranked games. The ragers who take out their frustration on you, the people who just feed, the botters who don't actually play the game but have the computer do it for them. These problems you will have throughout your League career, which is discouraging. The only way I've actually started to enjoy the game again is by having people that you know to game with. It's actually best if you use a voice chat with friends, I've had the most fun in this game with a 5 man with us all in voice chat and just joking around, while calling out things that matter in game. The next best thing I would have to say is find a community that has a bunch of like minded people, and game only with them. It's horrible that this is the way with this game, but it's the nature of this community.

Peri2Dec 20, 20151 votes

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NyantheDec 20, 201555 votes

See this is exactly what i mean there is absolutely no need to speak to me like that. it is rude and childish. Also don't assume I am male ... I have absolutely no need of balls being female. Since you weren't in the game how the hell would you know who said what? Get used to the fact that mothers and grandmothers play this game too and we don't want to listen to your insults or rudeness.

Peri2Dec 20, 20151 votes

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BeatzBoyFTWDec 20, 201519 votes

the community sucks get use to it, just giving you a heads up. peace

But you said:

no one called you a noob in the bot games, stop being a big baby

So are you encouraging the community to curse more which explains why the community sucks? Since you said we shouldn't be babies so that we can just "take in salts like a man", and then you say the community sucks because of the negative behaviors. You fked up some pointers here.

BiffoloDec 20, 20157 votes

I think he means the community sucks and there's nothing you can do about it, so stop crying about it. I think thats what he meant anyways.

JariDec 20, 20153 votes

He said nobody was calling her anything in the game, then proceeded to say the community is shit. Which is it?

BiffoloDec 21, 20151 votes

It's very possible both are true. In those specific games it could have been nothing of substance, but the community at large can still be shit. You need to look at it from a step back here.

JariDec 21, 20152 votes

From my own personal experience (That means mine, some have differences there,) bot games are the most toxic. I wanted to learn jungle back in season four, so I thought doing bot matches to start would save me from getting my head ripped off. As it turned out, even the thought of a jungler made at least two other grab smite and out-smite me easily (Since you know, they'd use smite together so it clearly was people queued together.) Game after game after game it kept happening, eventually forcing me to just do a normal where I got buttfucked. Worst part is that in the normal match I was told to uninstall like a piece of shit, where in the bot matches I was told to kill myself.

So there's a personal experience with it, which is why I believe this story happened. It most likely happened because from what I see the people that go in bot matches are the worst when it comes to how they act, at least for the most part.

Ayame IsakiDec 21, 20152 votes

I find that intermediate bots tends to be the place to go to learn mechanics or the basics of a role. You still get the occasional player who is just there to get their KDA as high as possible (nothing wrong with that, IMO, as long as they aren't toxic). I find most players to be civil, especially if you tell them "Hey, never played this champ/role, sorry if I suck". 99% of the time I get "Hey that's what bots are for" and in some cases, someone will actually know the champ/role in question really well and give me all sorts of build and strategy pointers.

I find that in beginner bots (which is where I used to go the first time I played a champ) you get quite a bit of toxic behavior.

T RexHasTinyArmsDec 20, 20156 votes

Except the fact that stating people should be civil human beings getting ridiculed for "being a baby" about the issue is why the community sucks. If you stop accepting this behavior as acceptable and punish it like you wold irl, then the community will reform and won't be an issue any more.

I'm not saying people should be reported for saying something like "Can you play safe now that your lane is ahead from the early kill you gave them? In that match up once they get a lead you'll lose every fight, just try and not die and get some farm so we can turn it around in team fights since everyone else on our team is winning." Hell even shorter less polite versions of that would be fine, but "God damn it, stop fucking feeding and let me carry your shitty ass you fucking noob. You shouldn't even be in my fucking elo, so stop making my game harder and just sit under your fucking tower and don't feed like the bitch you are." should not be considered acceptable and should rightfully be punished.

BiffoloDec 21, 20153 votes

I never said I aggreed with him, which is why im a bit dissapointed I'm getting downvoted for it. I was just trying to clarify what I percieved to be his intentions to facilitate discussion. None of my opinions are present in this thread.

NyantheDec 21, 20152 votes

He also assumed that the OP was male ... which is not in fact the case. In fact I am probably old enough to be his grandmother.

T RexHasTinyArmsDec 20, 20154 votes

you're level 17, unless you have 20-30 minute wait times in your normals you're probably bronze skill level and still learning too. Don't be an ass for no reason. Either that or you're a jerk bc you aren't a weak player and you're leveling a new account bc you got banned for being a shitty human being.

NyantheDec 21, 20153 votes

Or ... Or ... choose a beginner or intermediate bot game instead of an intro one. Just a thought. if you're good enough to have to queue for normals and are maybe even Bronze level .. why do you need an intro game?

T RexHasTinyArmsDec 21, 20154 votes

Lol I honestly forgot they added intro bots, I had been thinking this whole time you meant beginner bots bc that's where people who may know what they are doing are still playing to farm the fwotd IP bonus. Ha, this makes even less sense now, you don't even get IP/XP for intro after a few levels right?

NyantheDec 21, 20152 votes

I don't know it says something about you getting reduced xp/ip after level 10 but since I haven't got to 10 yet I don't know how much by. It also says intro level is specifically for players new to LOL ... go figure. Not really sure why people would play intro level ( with its annoying little help tips) for reduced xp if they actually know how to play the game.

shaiithDec 20, 20151 votes

Sorry, but this is a game you play with friends, not a friendly game.

So, enjoy it with people you know. As a solo player however, you need to toughen up because there will always be mean players no matter where you go.

NyantheDec 20, 20157 votes

It's not that I am upset about it .. I am angry about it because people who actually know the game shouldn't be playing in beginner bot games .. if they are then they should accept that others may still be learning the game .. that is what beginner bot games are for. I have only been playing for 3 days .. I need to learn ... if other people don't like that then they should go and play on a match that is appropriate to their skill level. If I mess up their game or score because I am still learning .. too bad ... I am doing the right thing by sticking with the lowest level of bot game to learn to control a champion and learn the game mechanics. The only thing insulting me or shouting at me does is distract me from what I should be doing so I make even more mistakes and stuff your game up even worse.

T RexHasTinyArmsDec 20, 20153 votes

Eh, players who are jerks are what the report button is for, I've never understood why people think it should be acceptable to be derogatory to people in a game. I mean irl it wouldn't fly, so why should it be acceptable in game? Yeah a report button isn't as satisfying as hitting someone or sleeping w/ their girlfriend, but it's the option we get, so why would people think it shouldn't be used?

NyantheDec 20, 20152 votes

Where is the report button? Is it in game?

ZaalonDec 20, 20152 votes

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Where is the report button? Is it in game?

report button is after game, next to the honor button i believe

T RexHasTinyArmsDec 21, 20152 votes

The little red exclamation mark next to players name in post game screen iirc. Should pop up a check list for what you're reporting them for if it's the right button.

HyppocritamusDec 21, 20153 votes

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Where is the report button? Is it in game?

it's in the endgame lobby on the far right of the options - it's a red "!", if memory serves.

NyantheDec 21, 20152 votes

Thank you ... I wondered what all those little icons were for.

HyppocritamusDec 21, 20152 votes

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Thank you ... I wondered what all those little icons were for.

no problem. 's too bad you're on EU, I'd totally teach you what I know.

Granted, it's mostly basics and, like, 2 champs, but it's always more fun to duo Q than solo Q.

shaiithDec 21, 20151 votes

I didn't say we shouldn't report mean people. My meaning was that as we play, there will be bad encounters. Instead of taking it to heart, we should accept that people aren't always nice. What one is willing to accept and what to report is up to the individual, but if you go in taking offense at everything you don't find yourself agreeable with, not only will you stop enjoying yourself, but will also adopt a level of meanness comparable to those you'll seemingly come to despise.

To toughen up and be able to handle both criticism and unreasonable insults will improve your experience within the game by keeping you calm and reasonable enough to turn a bad situation into a positive thing.

NyantheDec 21, 20152 votes

I have no objection to criticism .. if done well and appropriately I learn from it ... the only problem with it is if you are doing it to complete beginners ... ones like me who grew up when computers still needed punch cards or full aircon room to run in ... they can be so distracted by it that they continue to mess up even more.

It's hard enough to learn to move with a mouse instead of WADS and to find that you keep shooting off an ability instead of moving when you automatically press W.

On top of that You have to to learn all the foreign language that goes with the game ... my first few games I was like WTF is bot? I ended up going on to YouTube and watching some tutorial vids just so I could understand what people were saying.