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Why the banning system is a bit bad for not taking context into account.

KalokasIsMyDaddy·8/16/2019, 7:22:06 AM·1 votes·2,424 views

So, we all know that when players get banned, context does not matter, it's just what that person said. Sure, the argument of disabling chat entirely and you'll be fine still exists, and I'm cool with it, but I have to say that many bans are "unfair". Before you scroll to comment at this, let me explain.

Why are they unfair? Because context isn't taken into account. Many players that flame did so after experiencing countless games of trolls, AFK's etc. Now, I'm not saying the bans themselves are unfair, because they did flame and got banned for it, but Riot fails to target the actual reason these people turn to flaming. How much inting can anyone take before he starts flaming? It's only a matter of time before I, for example, start flaming. Sure,we can't really catch trolls and inters very fast for obvious reasons, but it will just become a cycle after a while. People troll, others flame them and get banned. I think context should be taken into account as a whole, since that way you can actually track the amount of people that turn to flamers by the trolls, and possibly avoid it by catching them.

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Umbral Regent8/16/2019, 7:37:14 AM7 votes

Let's assume that the majority of people turn to flaming as a result of having to deal with a legitimate troll/intentional feeder (which isn't how things really go, but for the sake of argument, I'll run with it.), and then let's assume that that's a reliable enough grounds to consider the rules void if it can be determined somehow after the fact that they were legitimately being trolled/intentionally fed.

Then, assuming you can somehow figure out how to prove that and get your punishment lifted, we now have to establish rules for when the rules are void. Are the rules void if someone flames you, rather than trolls you? If so, then should it go the other way around, where people are allowed to troll if someone flames them? 'Cause, believe it or not, there are people who resort to trolling and intentional feeding when people flame them, and while they're behavior isn't acceptable, they'd doubtless want fair treatment - if flamers can get off scott-free, why shouldn't they?

And then of course you have to consider just how badly people can abuse the English language, with things like hate speech, encouragements of self-harm, etc. - should those be allowed if someone was retroactively determined to be a troll/int-feeder/instigator? Or should there be a legitimate limit to how many rules you can ignore?

Hopefully, you're starting to see just how big of a clusterfuck things can get if Riot were to give this metaphorical mouse a cookie. If people aren't held to the rules universally - as in, if there are circumstances where people are allowed to flame despite the rules explicitly stating you're not allowed to - then it'll be no time flat before the game deteriorates into a free-for-all where flamers, trolls, and intentional feeders run rampant.

If you break the rules, it does not matter why. You broke them, you get punished for them. You don't get any free passes to break them under any circumstances, and that's the way it should be.

Kei1438/16/2019, 10:53:47 AM2 votes

The context that the toxic guy sees is that a teammate is griefing, he losses it and starts flaming the griefer.

The context that Riot sees is that someone is either bad or having a bad game, and the toxic guy is flaming the poor guy trying to do his best to get back into the game but can't cos he's making poor decisions and even worse decisions than normal cos he's tilted.

Context is indeed everything.

Lauchmelder8/16/2019, 7:39:41 AM1 votes

There's 2 reasons to use the chat for me:

1.) Short callouts on what I'm going to do + a suggestion on what the team could do to make it more efficient

2.) To tell a toxic player off.

Flaming someone who decided to int is pointless because it serves no purpose other than venting your anger.

You can already be hella passive aggressive without as much as a warning popping up. So no, context shouldn't matter. Dial down toxicity in your own chat messages and you'll be fine.

On top of that, you can literally tell people to end themselves by saying: "step on lego".

CharDeeMcDenniz8/16/2019, 11:02:20 AM1 votes

yeahhh you're not going to get far with this one

"But, but, but HE started it!" didn't work on the elementary school playground and it still doesn't work here

TrulyBland8/16/2019, 12:51:16 PM1 votes

People troll, others flame them and get banned.

And sometimes people flame others, they start trolling and get banned. It's easy to take your post, completely flip it upside down, and use the exact same logic to defend (some) trolls.

People have different ideas of what constitutes a justified response. There's way too much ambiguity in any rule that would permit retaliation. Everybody would retaliate and everybody would be absolutely sure that they are within the rules.

Riot's stance is clear and unambiguous: Don't break the rules. Period.