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It's not flaming its constructive feedback.

GazalivesReborn·3/2/2018, 9:50:57 PM·12 votes·1,176 views

Difference between: "Try to farm under tower and play passive" vs "Wtf is that cs mid fucking dogshit, get me out of this game"

A lot of the time people become overly sensitive to the first comment, which makes no sense. If you're teammate is telling you politely to switch your strat or doing something that will increase your efficiency don't accuse them of flaming you because they just want to help you. After all you're on the same team and if you do poorly the entire team suffers together.

Now quite some time actually the second statement does come up more than needed at times. So what do you do? Read and see if what they said jis true if it is you can try heading their advice (if it is advice and not just being toxic for the sake of it) then simply mute them. However please take into consideration that there is an in between for example:

"mid cs better"

Now some people take this statement as flame, when all someone asked was to cs better. They didn't say "you suck at farming", they just want you to stay ahead of your opponent so in the end the team wins. They simply don't want someone falling behind on their team.

Tl;Dr Learn to differentiate between someone actually flaming you and asking you to improve via constructive feedback/criticism

26 Comments

FullmuteAll play3/2/2018, 10:06:31 PM9 votes

And how about I don't need your advice and don't want you to order me. (learn the difference between mid cs better vs mid pls try to cs better) I am not reporting such players but I mute them ,as I don't need anybody's fucking straightforward advice that I can think of myself. Nobody will cs worse on purpose you know. Instead of trying to understand why I cs not that good you just tell me to cs better. It is like telling "win this game". And no I don't equate "cs better" to "win this game" but showing how plain and stupid it looks to see such "advices" in chat.

ModThe Djinn3/2/2018, 10:51:12 PM4 votes

Tl;Dr Learn to differentiate between someone actually flaming you and asking you to improve via constructive feedback/criticism.

I'll agree to this, and add an important addendum:

Learn to differentiate between giving constructive feedback/criticism and criticizing/insulting someone.

"Jax is super snowbally right now. Can you play a bit safer until we can group and handle him? We really can't afford to let him scale up more." vs. "Riven, stop feeding Jax. 0/7 Riven can't do shit."

Doc Robot3/2/2018, 11:47:34 PM3 votes

{quoted} Try to farm under tower and play passive

Because it's almost never this...

Wtf is that cs mid fucking dogshit, get me out of this game

...and almost always this. I can count on one hand the amount of times I've seen someone politely request anything in this game, and I've been playing for a long time.

And even if you are being nice about it, what are you actually asking? Your example is effectively saying, "Hey, you know that thing you're trying to do already? Well, try to do it even harder." Real constructive feedback there. /s

Ph03n1xb1rd3/2/2018, 11:19:21 PM3 votes

Sorry, its totally OFF. But how do you decide to use "you're" or "your". Since you used both wrong and right :D Or you just pick one randomly? :D

HalcyonDweller3/2/2018, 10:30:21 PM2 votes

{quoted}

Difference between: "Try to farm under tower and play passive" vs "Wtf is that cs mid fucking dogshit, get me out of this game"

A lot of the time people become overly sensitive to the first comment, which makes no sense. If you're teammate is telling you politely to switch your strat or doing something that will increase your efficiency don't accuse them of flaming you because they just want to help you. After all you're on the same team and if you do poorly the entire team suffers together.

Now quite some time actually the second statement does come up more than needed at times. So what do you do? Read and see if what they said jis true if it is you can try heading their advice (if it is advice and not just being toxic for the sake of it) then simply mute them. However please take into consideration that there is an in between for example:

"mid cs better"

Now some people take this statement as flame, when all someone asked was to cs better. They didn't say "you suck at farming", they just want you to stay ahead of your opponent so in the end the team wins. They simply don't want someone falling behind on their team.

Tl;Dr Learn to differentiate between someone actually flaming you and asking you to improve via constructive feedback/criticism

I'll support this. It's a good clarification to make.

TattooedOni3/4/2018, 12:16:55 AM2 votes

I would much rather see people stop trying to coach their teammates unless its asked for. Otherwise just focus on your own play.

DexterousGecko3/4/2018, 1:44:48 PM2 votes

"cs better"

Ah yea, my bad. I wasn't actually trying to cs BEFORE, but NOW that you mentioned it, I'll start csing for realzies.

HavokDash3/4/2018, 12:18:39 AM1 votes

Oh Oh! I got a good one

"Its not Toxic If its the truth"

as In "OMG ur such pathetic trash, how could you die to X. Go back to bots. Noob" Team: "stop being toxic" Flamer: "Its not toxic if its the truth"

And yes I have had people try to pull this line on me

swordofsun3/5/2018, 3:14:39 AM1 votes

Last time I was told to "just cs under tower" I had been cs'ing under tower. I had been warding. I was also being dove by the jungler and enemy laner. But my bot lane helpful decided that clearly the problem was I wasn't cs'ing under tower.

The problem isn't what you're saying necessarily. The problem is your inability to fully assess the situation. You're concentrating on your lane and you can't watch someone else's. Until you can watch everything they're doing and offer advice based on that it's not constructive criticism. It's pointless chatter that implies the person wasn't doing everything they could to avoid being killed.

Ultimately concrit is only useful if the person receiving it respects the opinion if the person giving it. I don’t mean ‘respects as a human being who can play League’ but in 'respects their understanding of the game and the specific situation, etc’.

Cause, look, I can tell someone that they need to cs under tower, but if they don’t know me it means nothing. Clearly they thought they were doing what was needed to stay alive. Maybe they saw their enemy laner back and they tried to get that canon minion and the jungler came out of nowhere. Maybe they were under tower. Maybe they haven't been able to buy boots because they've been spending all their money on control wards.

You don’t know. You're paying attention to your own lane. If you're paying enough attention to their lane to know this stuff you're probably dying in your lane.

End of the day if you actually care about giving constructive criticism and not just pointing out errors you’ll take the time to talk to the person after the game. You'll help them get through the game and then maybe start a dialogue after the game and offer to go over it with them.

Offer encouragement. Go to their lane and counter gank. Just shut up and let them get through the laning phase. If the jungler is camping them make the jungler pay by taking their jungle.

Don't just offer them pointless and probably unhelpful commentary.