If Lyte is Gone, can UNBANNING be considered?

Elk Bear·May 9, 2016·4 votes·1,952 views

I feel like there should be something that players can do to re-earn their accounts.

This is just a thought, leave your comments below.

40 Comments

TheLittlestLuluMay 10, 201610 votes

Why do people think Lyte leaving means the system is suddenly going to change?

Elk BearMay 10, 20161 votes

Because it was HIS system. I spent money on my account, I play on smurfs, I'm not toxic. The only thing I want is o play with my skins :)

archerno1May 10, 201611 votes

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Because it was HIS system. I spent money on my account, I play on smurfs, I'm not toxic. The only thing I want is o play with my skins :)

And its GOOD system. Just because he is leaving, doesnt make system bad suddenly.

MeilinIIMay 10, 20163 votes

Your money don't mean a grain of sand in Shurima. You broke the rules. You signed a legally binding contract that revoked your right to all content if you broke the rules in the contract.

iamcausticMay 10, 20161 votes

He was in charge of the system. It doesn't go away just because he's leaving; someone else will be in charge now.

BladeSteelMay 10, 20161 votes

Should have thought of that before you got banned :)

LostFr0stMay 9, 20166 votes

They used to have a system, they tried for a very long time. It doesn't work. So they stopped it and issued permabans. People do have another shot: create another account and don't get it banned.

Reaper ReviewMay 9, 20162 votes

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They used to have a system, they tried for a very long time. It doesn't work. So they stopped it and issued permabans. People do have another shot: create another account and don't get it banned.

I've been told that system was only in place for about a month. Never mind how long ago it was.

LostFr0stMay 10, 20161 votes

It was a decently long time for a trial run and had a very low success rate. They basically had to level a smurf to lvl 20 without being toxic. Many would just bite their tongue until they got back their main and then would go back to their toxic ways. ~~If I find more info I'll put it here through an edit to this post.~~

Edit: It was called the "level 20 challenge" and would be initiated by talking with player support, and they would issue the banned player a challenge which was to create a new account and reach level 20 in 3 weeks without getting several reports. Bot games (co-op) don't count, only normal games did. It lasted ~4 months from what I can dig up and many people went through it with a 95% failure rate. They then removed it because of that huge failure rate and likely the amount of resources involved with reviewing every single case individually. When a petition to bring it back appeared on the boards this statement was given http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2993054&page=2#post33420329

If/when the rest of the tribunal comes back then maybe we'll get something to address the accounts banned until 2284, until then I don't think it'll be very fruitful.

Reaper ReviewMay 10, 20161 votes

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It feels just a tad annoying that I have no chance now because a bunch of people several years ago failed.

I have no arguments, though.

LostFr0stMay 10, 20161 votes

Sorry for the wall^^" If they bring back the player-reviewed tribunal it could still be a possibility. They can't unban accounts with the instant feedback system though because the nuances of who is sincere likely don't show. People would just be comparing to each-other to figure out how to unban.

Reaper ReviewMay 10, 20161 votes

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Sorry for the wall^^" If they bring back the player-reviewed tribunal it could still be a possibility. They can't unban accounts with the instant feedback system though because the nuances of who is sincere likely don't show. People would just be comparing to each-other to figure out how to unban.

Player review is the point, yeah.

I mean, I understand showing penance like Jamaree said, but just how much do I have to show? It doesn't matter how many people say I've reformed if the game has just completely stopped being fun for me in any other way.

My friends keep telling me what champs to try that I might be good at. Problem is, I no longer have most of those champs. I'm stuck with the 450/1350 ones, the majority of whom I either don't like playing or am bad at playing (or both). I need to win games to get an appreciable amount of IP to actually get content to make the game feel interesting again, but when the vast majority of my PVP games end in me getting wrecked by smurfs of a much higher skill level... My new account's got a sub-40% win-rate in normals now, because losing so much has damaged my mindset and left me very prone to being tilted.

That and I don't own any champions that actually suit my playstyle. I prefer tanks, but there are very few good tank laners below 4800 IP. I have Malphite, but after I lost a game as him where our team had a Plat V Yasuo who had like 29 kills, I just don't want to play him anymore. A literal Plat V Yasuo, border and everything, not some guy claiming to be a Plat smurf. Bear in mind my new account's only level 21.

Basically, how much do I have to keep beating myself up over this and struggling to find any enjoyment in the game now before I can feel like I've repaid my debt?

LostFr0stMay 10, 20161 votes

If/when they bring it back, for me it's not about penance... I just want the person not to be whatever they got banned for. Just a decent person, no shackles or anything, just normal.

If I compare their chatlogs (if it's a chat problem person) from their banned main to those on their new account (lets say a year later or something idk) and they are no longer the person they got banned for being then I think they should get back at least some of what was on their old account. I don't know how many people that would be or what that means. Maybe there's some special piece of their banned account they'd like to have back.

As for the champ-getting, I made an alternate account just before the xp adjustment and am raising it just by diligently getting my win of the day each day (I think I'm lvl20 ish now?). I'm only playing free week champs and only buy champs I really like playing as of yet. I always keep 6300 leeway in case 2 for 1 rune page shows up (I'll kick myself otherwise). I know it's not comparable to what you're going through, but it's the best payoff for your time investment. Do ARAM if you have to.

As for the Plat V Yasuo, that rank literally means nothing. Sometimes people who play ranked come to "norms" as they call it to just throw down. They just want to kill stuff and don't really care about the game outcome. I promise that it won't be your last encounter. Just gotta get back on the rock. Especially since Abyssal has cdr now. Never been so easy to get 40% on Malphite and it's super fun~.

Elk BearMay 10, 20161 votes

That was years ago, I believe things can change.

LostFr0stMay 10, 20161 votes

If the full tribunal returns and random people can once again review cases, then maybe. For the time being, it's not something I'd bring back.

MasterSomethingMay 9, 20163 votes

No. They got permanently banned, they do NOT deserve their accounts back. Ever. If you ruined enough games to get suspended from the game forever, you do not deserve your account- and all its assets by extension- back.

Reaper ReviewMay 9, 20162 votes

I really don't see the harm in this provided the criteria are set high enough, honestly.

Considering "players have decided you're not welcome in the League community" is how the ban system operates, why isn't "players have decided you've earned another shot" a thing?

We're not talking the real-world legal system, egregious crimes, and worldly possessions being lost here. They're just accounts in a video game that people play for fun. I know people like to continue making analogies to real-world law, but after a point it just starts to sound ridiculous.

I've given my thoughts on this subject before.

Riot (Player Behavior team, Arbiters, whoever) should definitely still have the final say in whether or not someone's allowed back, though. For cases like Tyler1 where Riot gave him the boot personally.

JamareeMay 9, 20168 votes

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I really don't see the harm in this provided the criteria are set high enough, honestly.

Considering "players have decided you're not welcome in the League community" is how the ban system operates, why isn't "players have decided you've earned another shot" a thing?

Because when they did way back in the day, the system only had a 5% success rate.

Reaper ReviewMay 9, 20162 votes

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Because when they did way back in the day, the system only had a 5% success rate.

That was literally six years ago or something, so I've been told. There wasn't even much to the game then, so unless you had some of those ultra-rare early skins, losing an account wasn't even a huge deal.

There's a lot more incentive to actually trying now.

I'm told Riot doesn't do this anymore because they don't want banned players making new accounts, but as long as there's nothing stopping them from doing so anyway, that logic doesn't hold much weight.

JamareeMay 9, 20161 votes

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That was literally six years ago or something, so I've been told. There wasn't even much to the game then, so unless you had some of those ultra-rare early skins, losing an account wasn't even a huge deal.

There's a lot more incentive to actually trying now.

Why do they even deserve yet another chance in the first place though? Like, the amount of trolls, feeding, afking, and flaming you need to do to get permabanned is actually pathetic.

I'm told Riot doesn't do this anymore because they don't want banned players making new accounts, but as long as there's nothing stopping them from doing so anyway, that logic doesn't hold much weight.

Because there isn't a way to stop people from making new accounts without possibly affecting others.

Reaper ReviewMay 9, 20161 votes

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Why do they even deserve yet another chance in the first place though? Like, the amount of trolls, feeding, afking, and flaming you need to do to get permabanned is actually pathetic.

It's not really a matter of deserving one as much as earning one.

I personally don't feel like I deserve a chance, but I've had more than a few people on this forum tell me they think I do. It's rare that a banned player gets any support on this forum, let alone how much I've gotten over my months posting here. (This is after I've posted my chat logs twice, mind you, and they're not too pretty to look at. I've explained my mindset and how I can correct it, though.)

I'm biased on this whole debate, though. My attempt to level a new account has been met with me getting my head kicked in by smurfs left and right, and matchmaking has shown no signs of letting up on me at level 21. Despite this, I haven't been reported once to my knowledge yet. (At least, I haven't gotten any in-game notifications that I've been reported.)

JamareeMay 9, 20161 votes

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I'm biased on this whole debate, though. My attempt to level a new account has been met with me getting my head kicked in by smurfs left and right, and matchmaking has shown no signs of letting up on me at level 21. Despite this, I haven't been reported once to my knowledge yet. (At least, I haven't gotten any in-game notifications that I've been reported.)

And that is good, but it is called a permanent ban for a reason. You made the bed, now lie in it. You were given plenty of chances to reform before hand and you shouldn't be given one AFTER the final time NOW that you realize they were being serious about it.

Reaper ReviewMay 9, 20161 votes

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You were given plenty of chances to reform before hand and you shouldn't be given one AFTER the final time NOW that you realize they were being serious about it.

I'm well aware of this.

My 14-day and permanent bans were nearly 3 months apart because I spent half that time too paranoid to play the game out of fear of getting perma'd. Except my problem was a lack of confidence at this game, which guess what, I have to play the game to cure. Plus, I had to play anyway to get my account back from the brink.

No surprise to me, I failed. The pressure of trying to fix my problem, trying to play well, AND the threat of a permanent ban if I failed ended up being too much for me.

Now I'm trapped and there's no way out. I can't quit the game, I have too many friends still here. Believe me, I've uninstalled the game 3 times since I was banned, and it never stuck. I can't queue with my friends, their MMR's too high and my account's too under-equipped, plus I'm still not that good. Queuing by myself is making me hate myself because I'm no use against the smurfs the matchmaking loves to put me against. I've tried doing other things, but I just keep on coming back.

I'm literally destroying myself trying to show reform and enjoy this game again, and all my friends are concerned for me.

Sorry if that's a bit too sob-story, I just needed to get it off my chest. I'm rational enough to know I won't have any more chances and just have to bear it, though, as much as it's hurting me to do.

JamareeMay 10, 20161 votes

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I'm well aware of this.

My 14-day and permanent bans were nearly 3 months apart because I spent half that time too paranoid to play the game out of fear of getting perma'd. Except my problem was a lack of confidence at this game, which guess what, I have to play the game to cure. Plus, I had to play anyway to get my account back from the brink.

No surprise to me, I failed. The pressure of trying to fix my problem, trying to play well, AND the threat of a permanent ban if I failed ended up being too much for me.

Now I'm trapped and there's no way out. I can't quit the game, I have too many friends still here. Believe me, I've uninstalled the game 3 times since I was banned, and it never stuck. I can't queue with my friends, their MMR's too high and my account's too under-equipped, plus I'm still not that good. Queuing by myself is making me hate myself because I'm no use against the smurfs the matchmaking loves to put me against. I've tried doing other things, but I just keep on coming back.

I'm literally destroying myself trying to show reform and enjoy this game again, and all my friends are concerned for me.

Sorry if that's a bit too sob-story, I just needed to get it off my chest. I'm rational enough to know I won't have any more chances and just have to bear it, though, as much as it's hurting me to do.

I'm gonna have to play devil's advocate here and say while I feel sorry for you, I still don't think you deserve your original account back. If they let you back in on your account, they would have to do the same for everyone and while you might be one of the better ones who might actually reform, then there would be all the ones who wouldn't and would only make the game all the more unpleasurable to play.

I'm sorry it took losing your account to realize this, and I'm sorry you are struggling, but consider this penance for all the gaming experience of others you ruined.

MasterSomethingMay 9, 20161 votes

Bitter pill to swallow buddy, but as much as we want to unban YOU, they would then have to unban everyone else who claims to have been reformed. It's not so much that you are bad. It's that you are stuck in a bad crowd. And since you are stuck in that crowd, no matter how different you are, people will always associate you with that crowd.

Reaper ReviewMay 9, 20162 votes

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Bitter pill to swallow buddy, but as much as we want to unban YOU, they would then have to unban everyone else who claims to have been reformed. It's not so much that you are bad. It's that you are stuck in a bad crowd. And since you are stuck in that crowd, no matter how different you are, people will always associate you with that crowd.

Owing to my having autism, I got used to this when I was growing up. (Not that it's a bad crowd, it's just a crowd people view differently. I try very hard to present myself as normal and not mention I'm autistic, but I end up trying to push myself far beyond my limitations and suffering for it.)

I just need to keep myself optimistic, as best I can.

MasterSomethingMay 10, 20161 votes

Hey, take it from a person who has autism... I gave the worst impressions to people. I didn't mature in the slightest until puberty hit me like a truck and I realized how fucked up I made my life. But you know what? Whenever I fuck up badly, I laugh at the mistake, pick myself up, and move on.

BladeSteelMay 10, 20161 votes

Except most of the people that "did" succeed went back to their main account and were toxic again. It doesn't work. They'll "behave" until they get it back, then go back to their old ways. It's been proven to pass more often than not.

Reaper ReviewMay 10, 20161 votes

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Except most of the people that "did" succeed went back to their main account and were toxic again. It doesn't work. They'll "behave" until they get it back, then go back to their old ways. It's been proven to pass more often than not.

I concede that. Doesn't mean I have to like it, but I can't argue it.

I don't even care about my skins, honestly. Keep them for all I care. It's just the grinding, grinding, and still more grinding for champs and runes that bothers me. I don't play the game TOO often precisely because of my potential stress problems. Which means that in preventing one source of stress, I'm causing myself another one.

I'm not just quitting, though. I've been told I've reformed and can do it, so I'm trying to do it.

Kei143May 9, 20162 votes

I'm in the crowd to say give them a chance to re-earn their account.

Not only they can't be punished, but have to be a positive influence (neutral isn't good enough) to the community for a year. A bad game here and there is allowed, but like most people out there, a bad game won't get them punished.

I think that it'll help in reducing toxicity in the early stages of LoL and have it be more encouraging to the new comers, as well as helping out with the learning curve. Even if it is just a little (less than 5% according to Riot's old experiment).

MeilinIIMay 10, 20161 votes

I'd say if they can earn an honor ribbon and keep it for 6 months, then MAYBE consider it. Short of that they're not worth the trouble.

PrimaquariusMay 10, 20162 votes

#NO

Atlas The BirdMay 10, 20162 votes

Hell no.

EvilDustManMay 10, 20162 votes

supersonic2May 9, 20161 votes

are you a bear

Sniper 0May 10, 20161 votes

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FovereMay 10, 20161 votes

Personally I feel like even with the current system it takes quite a bit of effort to get yourself permanently banned.

I'd have to say that if you manage to work your way through all the chat restrictions and suspensions without bothering to change, one more chance isn't nearly as likely to have an impact as having to start over from scratch and work your way back up (while still being subjected to RoC).