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seperate queues for surrenderers and non-surrenderers please. Surrendering = Huge Waste of Time.

Flamingo Tango·3/28/2019, 5:07:10 AM·2 votes·2,708 views

Listen up guys, I only got one game at times per whatever time period, it's only 20-40 full minutes free and that is IT I have maybe a single game per day. i have fun if I can play a game to the fullest win or lose. the only way it is a waste is via surrendering. I fucking hate it when people surrender when there is no AFK and I only have one chance to play league of legends per day or time period/ it's my last game for whatever reason. As long as I can fight it out to the end, it's a worth it time spent of 30-40 minutes. People complain about wasting time, well I only got one game so they fucking waste my time by squandering my only game of the day (this was back when I had one game of the day. At this moment I was playing my last game before sleep. I don't have time to do more than one game of League per day after work -one hour to unwind and then gotta get a lot of other stuff done- a lot of times in the past unless I have a full free day I can squander on league games, then I don't give that much of a crap about surrendering).

Salt aside, tho, I think we'd be happier if we had separate queues. We obviously can't stand each other. Surrenderers don't get the concept of "Time", "Wasting Time", and people who don't have the spare time to play more than one game in a row, and I don't get the concept of "wasting their time" when they need to have a quick win game to have fun and it's obvious they have plenty of time to squander if they can even play another game afterwards. Either way, our concept of 'having fun' is incompatible, surrenderers will never respect my time, and I don't see how I can respect their concept of winning when I'm out of time. To be honest, them talking about wasting my time when they are grossly wasting mine and obviously have plenty of it to play more than one league game really puts me on tilt. Unless someone is actually free that entire day how do they even have more than an hour to spare?! Can we have separate queues please? What do you guys think is the solution? I mean, no one gives a shit about other people's time, and our values of 'fun' seem to be incompatible, so if we had separate queues wouldn't everything be better? Then surrenderers don't have to be an inconsiderate asshole to me who only has a single game to play and needs to play through the whole thing to have fun, and I don't have to be an asshole to them by making them play thru a game they rather not when they have plenty of time on their hands to just play another. I still think they're being much more of an asshole to me than I am to them but I am also on tilt.

Even if someone surrenders after 20 minutes, it takes maybe 5-10 minutes to rejoin, the next game could take 40 minutes if we're talking classic, or same with ARAM, so I still get no game chance after it, if my time allotment for gaming is a single hour. We used to have Dominion so this wouldn't even be an issue, 30 minutes blind pick, no one ever hardly surrendered it was so quick, but sadly, that isn't the case now. (rito, pls) If we had separate queues then when I have only a single time game I can queue up with people who won't surrender unless there is an irl issue and play it to the finish for my 1 hour time.

What do you all suggest?

Anyway I would like to play another to get the bad taste of surrender attempts out of my mouth, but I don't have any time left. sigh. sorry, that sentence is off topic.
~~also rito battle bunny jax please :P ~~

*Disclaimer for ranty language because I'm mildly tilted by my last game before sleeping being annoyed with surrender attempts but I really do want to know what people think of separate queues for us

19 Comments

zPOOPz3/28/2019, 6:39:59 AM4 votes

This will work out much worse than you expected...

First and most obvious, dividing the current queue will mean longer queue time for everyone. That means longer wait time for you, longer wait time for me, longer wait time for everyone before you get a match. Worse for you than me because there are less "never give up, never surrender type" than you think. Also people who never want to surrender can and will still join the surrender queue for faster queue time and just vote no to surrender vote making it so much worse than your "no surrender" queue. The opposite is not true because the surrender people will never join the no surrender queue.

MMR matchmaking fuck up. As explained, the "no surrender" queue will have very tiny portion of player base. Matchmaking will rarely be able to find a fair proportional mmr match. You will frequently be forced into "Diamond vs Bronze" game because nothing else matchmaking can do due to small queue pool. We know that ain't fun for anyone in that match.

"Fountain camping troll". This will give rise to those fountain camping trolls that refuse to end the game. They will just sit at your fountain killing you over and over and over. You have no option to end the game via surrender vote. Your only choice will be to afk. When you run out of your daily alotted game time, you will have to afk and frequently.

Low Priority Queue. Due to your eventual frequent afk when you no doubt run into fountain camper trolls, you queue time will be significantly worse (think likely hour+ before you even allowed into champ select). Even when you give up and move to "surrender" queue, you will still be sitting and staring at the screen for 20 mimutes before queue even start matching you. Oh and "surrender" queue also will suffer higher queue time on top of your LPQ.

Afk / flamer / inter. Even the never give up, never surrender people do surrender every so often. Take away that ability altogether, you will see a big rise in afk in your game because that's the only way to end the game early without surrender vote. Or you will run into inter much more frequently to force the game to end. Oh and the flames because you will sit in a losing game that last longer than it should due to no surrender vote.

Jo0o3/28/2019, 12:17:33 PM3 votes

I can't imagine why you'd split players into two camps when this is clearly a matter of a spectrum of values and goals. On one end, you've got the folks who slam /ff the second they're not snowballing at 15 minutes. On the other end, you have folks who refuse to surrender at any time, for any reason. But there are tons of people in between.

I, personally, try to play out every game. But if the game appears truly hopeless, and I honestly can't identify a win condition still available to my team, I'm willing to surrender. Am I to be tossed into a "surrenderer" queue with the folks who cry if somebody is 0/2 at 10 minutes? I sure as hell hope not.

OneMustFall3/28/2019, 12:38:12 PM3 votes

I find remakes far more infuriating than surrenders but when people are FFing at 20 minutes down only a few kills, that's pretty messed up too. I get where you're coming from but honestly there is a time and place for surrendering. I just wish RIot had more requirements before they allow a surrender vote. Like you have to be down X amount of Gold or something before you can start a vote.

FioraWillCarry3/28/2019, 8:50:38 AM2 votes

People like you drive me fuckin nuts. Nothing is more infuriating than a 0-3 jungler, 0-4 mid laner and a 0-9 bot lane that refuses to surrender, insists we can win while feeding their assess of non fuckin stop. You are wasting my time with that bullshit. Spending the majority of starving for farm because you're afraid the 10-0 Rengar would jump out of no where and one shot you if you over extend, even a little bit is not my idea of fun. You don't want people to surrender? Stop fucking feeding your ass of in lane.

Voldymort3/28/2019, 6:40:57 AM2 votes

Listen up guys, I only got one game at times per whatever time period, it's only 20-40 full minutes free and that is IT I have maybe a single game per day.

That is quite simply YOUR problem. The world doesn't revolve around you simply because you have time issues.

Nobody wants to sit through/prolong an obvious stomp just so you can get your 1 long game for the day. The entertainment of the other 4people in your game matters too. If they're not having fun, they're perfectly free to surrender. If you want to always vote no, that's fine but as far as their votes are concerned, that's up to them, not you.

[fiora-cool]

Colte3/29/2019, 12:15:17 AM1 votes

duo queue with someone that never surrenders, problem solved!

Inkling Commando3/28/2019, 7:44:23 AM1 votes

as someone who never surrenders i like this idea. all to often i get paired up with players who cry and ff when an enemy is fed to hell and back. they do not know that the goal of every game is to destroy the nexus. not force the enemy to surrender, not get most fed, but only the nexus. and to make matters worse when players refuse to surrender the player who do want to surrender cry about "being held hostage" which absolute bullshit. they can leave any time they want via exit button. they are not forced to play the game. so by having separate queues those that do want to surrender at first blood, first tower, or first fed can do so without ruining the fun of others.

Krissi21973/28/2019, 11:56:29 AM1 votes

People like you are why I hate playing sometimes, honestly.

If the score is 2v20 and we are on the losing side, we have 0 turrets and they have mostly all of them, and they're pushed up to our inhibs, IT IS NOT WINNABLE. PERIOD. But nooo let's keep going bc #winnable and spend another 20 mins just defending the base while they slowly push in with baron buffs and elder and eventually end the game that should have ended 20 or so minutes ago.

I'm all for not surrendering if the game is winnable. I've come back from games that would have been lost if a surrender vote went through. Hell, sometimes I'm the one to start a surrender vote for a game we eventually win later on! It happens. People throw and losing teams do in fact come back but please stop saying "no" to surrender votes when it's literally not winnable at all.

You only having time for one game isn't anyone's issue but yours. Your idea is horrible for the reasons stated above by zPOOPz (why did you make me type that name...) and will probably never ever be implemented.

Just FF man. A game that could have ended at 15 minutes doesn't need to end at 50 minutes with the same outcome.