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Permenent bans arent the solutions to toxicty,they are the problem! (my opinion :) )

sheep1X·3/22/2018, 3:56:36 PM·4 votes·730 views

I really do think that, reformed players, who play the game on their not banned account without flaming, or not even showing a tad bit of toxicty, do not deserve a PERM BAN, not saying that the punishment isnt well deserved, it sometimes is, but in some cases (and let me tell you, most of them), people reform, and change their ways... im putting this thought out there because, perm bans arent really a good solution, especially when they are able to create a new account and fully reform (me inclded), seeing their old account rot, knowing they cant go back to it, just puts salt on their wounds (even if tehy acomplish more in their new account).

so let me raise this; THERE ARE ALTERNETIVES. for example, why arent seasonal bans are a thing? a season is a well long enough time to reform (for players for players who TRULEY want to, again, me included), seasonal bans can range from 1 to a couple of seasons, not nesseccerally condeming the account to not be played again.

share your thoughts on this thread! even if you do not support it, share your thought, and even leave a solution, that might be good enough to replace the perm ban.

the community will surely appreciate reformed players, since they are more careful with their behaviour, and are certainly nicer than most averege players (again, REFORMED players). they surely do better in terms of behaviour than most people i see playing, day to day, who cant control their temper and are still out there, ruining games to people, now, im not here to say that reformed players werent toxic, some of them were active ones, some passive aggresive, and some just had a vurst of flaming that got them banned, but reformed players get their title for a reason, they are REFORMED, keep in mind that some of them (me included) will do anything within their reach to get their beloved accounts back, even if it means giving up on some things back in their old account, even though most of them get a higher rank thanks to behaviour improvement, some just miss their account, that is full of skins, and glorious, level 7's on all of their most loved champs, and even replays they had on their old account.

i know this topic is very controversial matter, so please dont comment aggresive/obvious things that will make fun of either sides.

dont be afraid though, express your thoughts to the fullest, just with a bit of subtelty.

hf discussing ideas and thoughs :) [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] i would really appreciate if you take the time to even leave you opinio on the matter.

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ModThe Djinn3/22/2018, 4:03:46 PM11 votes

the community will surely appreciate reformed players

We do, on their new accounts.

The thing is that Riot has tried account-reforming experiments before. They found that the vast percentage of players who are permanently banned did not reform, even when given the opportunity to earn back their accounts. This is why we don't have an official "prove reform and reverse the punishment" process.

If you want to avoid losing your content, there are still many reform opportunities available -- one after every punishment prior to the permanent ban. THAT is the time to prove your dedication to reforming, and the loss of that account is the punishment for not doing so and continuing to ruin games. I don't think we need to give anything back to players who caused that much of an issue to their fellow players.

More time-bans simply means people can start account rotating. Additionally, Riot has experimented with more bans / different length bans, and shown that increasing the number of chances given or the length of temporary bans doesn't actually correlate to an increase in reform. Again, they have data on this, which is why that system isn't implemented.

Mordius3/22/2018, 6:25:27 PM2 votes

Riot's previous experiment everyone references was to get to level 20 without any infractions. The problem I have with that, is getting to level 20 is fairly easy, and fairly quick if you use exp boosts, So I don't feel those people could have really reformed or even taken it serious to reform, because it was simply too easy.

I initiated a challenge at the start of the season for permabanned players to reach level 100 and honor 5, without any infractions by the end of the season. This to me is far more challenging, and time consuming. Only genuine players interested in reform would actually be able to complete this challenge.

You can get more info here

LordofStone3/22/2018, 4:55:03 PM1 votes

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I really do think that, reformed players, who play the game on their not banned account without flaming, or not even showing a tad bit of toxicty, do not deserve a PERM BAN, not saying that the punishment isnt well deserved, it sometimes is, but in some cases (and let me tell you, most of them), people reform, and change their ways... im putting this thought out there because, perm bans arent really a good solution, especially when they are able to create a new account and fully reform (me inclded), seeing their old account rot, knowing they cant go back to it, just puts salt on their wounds (even if tehy acomplish more in their new account).

so let me raise this; THERE ARE ALTERNETIVES. for example, why arent seasonal bans are a thing? a season is a well long enough time to reform (for players for players who TRULEY want to, again, me included), seasonal bans can range from 1 to a couple of seasons, not nesseccerally condeming the account to not be played again.

share your thoughts on this thread! even if you do not support it, share your thought, and even leave a solution, that might be good enough to replace the perm ban.

the community will surely appreciate reformed players, since they are more careful with their behaviour, and are certainly nicer than most averege players (again, REFORMED players). they surely do better in terms of behaviour than most people i see playing, day to day, who cant control their temper and are still out there, ruining games to people, now, im not here to say that reformed players werent toxic, some of them were active ones, some passive aggresive, and some just had a vurst of flaming that got them banned, but reformed players get their title for a reason, they are REFORMED, keep in mind that some of them (me included) will do anything within their reach to get their beloved accounts back, even if it means giving up on some things back in their old account, even though most of them get a higher rank thanks to behaviour improvement, some just miss their account, that is full of skins, and glorious, level 7's on all of their most loved champs, and even replays they had on their old account.

i know this topic is very controversial matter, so please dont comment aggresive/obvious things that will make fun of either sides.

dont be afraid though, express your thoughts to the fullest, just with a bit of subtelty.

hf discussing ideas and thoughs :) [slayer-pantheon-popcorn] i would really appreciate if you take the time to even leave you opinio on the matter.

The bans have gotten silly this year. I have never been chat restricted or banned till this year. I have played this since it came out as it was time for a break from dota What is said in joking or in anger, is pretty much the same. Your average player will get angry at least 1 game out of 100. This is very low as it is more 30 times out of a 100 games. If your chat gets out of line it is easy to get banned very quickly.

I know some of my fellow banned players are reading this so take some advice from someone that just got through a recent ban. Now I was going to quit the game, but I did spend real money for skins. My first advice, find a different game to play most of the time. I play games to blow off steam and have fun after a long stressful week at work. In this current system, just think of it like going to work. You do not joke around or say things that are "culturally insensitive" or "racist" or "homophobic". This relates to what is acceptable as political philosophy is deeply entrenched in this game.

So if you want to continue to play league do this. Do not get drawn into conversations at all. Just tell your team during selection that you have been banned previously or chat restricted, just ping you where you are needed. DO NOT GET DRAWN INTO CONVERSATIONS. You may find as I am, the game is just not enjoyable. I already compete in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, so my need to have to "compete" in something else is just not there. If you find you can not take the tantrums from other players and dream about choking the stupid out of them, probably not the game to play.

I play one game a day, that is it. I went back to playing Eve Online in my off time which is more enjoyable as I can be myself. This means I can joke, rant and rave without getting banned. Most people there are around 30-40 years old, so its a different crowd. I was a bit angry a few days ago about my ban and chat restriction here, until I thought about why I played games.

The Highest Noon3/22/2018, 4:59:49 PM1 votes

Tbh I see no reason as to why permanent bans exist specifically because Riot does not care about alternate accounts. Why set up a rule punishing access to their game if you wholly allowed to bypass the punishment and play on a different account?

Especially when it comes to bans based on chat. It'd be more sensible to just remove their chat access altogether instead of banning them from gameplay, since gameplay isn't actually the problem it's chat. Kill the chat and I doubt people will make new accounts for the sake of talking in-game.

The Highest Noon3/22/2018, 5:47:23 PM1 votes

I'm surprised nobody has mentioned that some people actually have alt accounts dedicated to being toxic. Something I've had to see and deal with. Sure they get reported, and punished, but with the way punishments work they just go some games without being toxic then go right back to being toxic because it's an alt account dedicated to toxicity.

Yummy Sashimi3/22/2018, 6:23:38 PM1 votes

In my opinion, seasonal ban could be a good thing where as the previous ban system turns a two week ban straight into perma ban. I wish riot will implement a ban system like this: normal 2 week->seasonal ban(1 year) instead of permanent ban->perma ban. This way, people will feel more obligated to reform after they stop playing for a year. Right now I feel like two week ban is too short for people to realize oh crap, I'm toxic, I will lose my account if I keep being toxic. If a player gets banned for a year and come back, they may value their account more and hopefully to reform. I'm not saying to completely remove perma ban but to add a seasonal ban in between can be a good thing.

sheep1X3/22/2018, 6:44:43 PM1 votes

Just some food for thought, look at the whole behaviour thread, there are so much players asking for advice of being not toxic, or reformed, meaning even those who arent reformed, want to be, deep down, they want to change and will put any effort needed to stop being toxic, or reformed.

talking about ethics, humans are capble of changing their behaviour as a whole, only if they want to, and you can clearly see that there are alot of those who are trying, and there are some who did change their mindset of the game and how it should be player, in a good way (or atleast i hope so :/).

keep that in mind, as thats the thing that seperates good, behaving, well set on how to play the game and use the chat properley,and those who are the opposite.

kushinshin3/23/2018, 6:15:53 AM1 votes

Djinn keeps screaming about the statistics and data but can only reference one poorly executed experiment by Riot. Requesting sources for all the data and statistics of which the entire community, excluding yourself, is lacking.

Awf Meta3/22/2018, 4:09:21 PM1 votes

Seasonal suspensions is a new idea to me. At first glance, I kind of like it. It is long enough to be a severe punishment.

I still like the idea of regaining accounts after showing reform. Riot will say they tried it with their level 20 challenge. They will say not a lot of people reformed. I don't care. Those people that DID reform, earned their accounts back. It's not about how many people earned their accounts back. It's about that any people earned their accounts back.