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Instant Feeback System is a joke and Riot knows it

Dokkaebi··2 votes·631 views

The reason behind this is that there is only two types of people.

  • Those who never report anyone and
  • Those who report almost every person who breaks The Summoner's Code

The first one is more common.

The first one has more valuable reports because the system thinks that it's the ideal amount of reports you should do. But that doesn't matter because they never report anyone. The second one has almost worthless reports because the system thinks you report everyone for no reason and just abuse the system. That makes the cycle of nobody getting banned ever unless they have something serious like they int for 10 games in a row. But basic toxic people still exist and are not getting any kind of punishments.

I am the second type and I have gotten 2 times the message that "a player you reported has been punished". And I have easily reported over 100 players.

Now why does Riot do nothing to make the system more decent like in most modern competitive games? It's hard and would cost a lot, unless they would make a community driven system like the "CS:GO's Overwatch" where high elo players could judge if the reported players would be worth bans.

PS. LoL is known as the most toxic game in the world after CS:GO (which has voice chat). It would be easy to remove toxicity, so why not?

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EndlessSorcerer6 votes

The first one has more valuable reports because the system thinks that it's the ideal amount of reports you should do. But that doesn't matter because they never report anyone. The second one has almost worthless reports because the system thinks you report everyone for no reason and just abuse the system.

Report weight no longer exists. The primary use for a report is to flag the game to be reviewed.

That makes the cycle of nobody getting banned ever unless they have something serious like they int for 10 games in a row. But basic toxic people still exist and are not getting any kind of punishments.

They clearly are. If you ever look at the Player Behaviour and Moderation board, you see plenty of people attempting to argue their ban was undeserved while exhibiting obviously toxic behaviour.

I am the second type and I have gotten 2 times the message that "a player you reported has been punished". And I have easily reported over 100 players.

You are only notified if your report was the last one which result in their ban. If they were banned due to reports in the game after yours, you wouldn't receive the notification.

Now why does Riot do nothing to make the system more decent like in most modern competitive games? It's hard and would cost a lot, unless they would make a community driven system like the "CS:GO's Overwatch" where high elo players could judge if the reported players would be worth bans.

We used to have the tribunal, but it was rather flawed and couldn't handle the sheer size of the playerbase. It reached the point where people would receive their notification for a ban months after the last game which triggered it due to the massive backlog.

PS. LoL is known as the most toxic game in the world after CS:GO (which has voice chat). It would be easy to remove toxicity, so why not?

You underestimate the difficulty of the problem. While certain behaviours are easy to identify (i.e. intentional feeding, toxicity in chat, AFKing), many others are not.

  • A player shoving out side-lanes could be trolling (refusing to group or help their team) or splitpushing (i.e. Tryndamere).

  • A player who refused to assist their ally in a skirmish could be trolling or may believe the only contribution they could have made would be to die along with their ally.

  • A jungler who refuses to gank for a specific player (or at all) could be trolling or may not have been seeing any opportunities (or were wary of a counter-gank).

  • A 0/8 player could be intentionally feeding, they could have been focused by the opposing team constantly or they may have just lost lane badly.

It isn't always cut-and-dry.

Dokkaebi1 votes

You are only notified if your report was the last one which result in their ban. If they were banned due to reports in the game after yours, you wouldn't receive the notification.

I got the message long after I had reported him. Your others points are good though.

Kei1431 votes

define "long after"

Dokkaebi2 votes

Many days

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}

Many days

That's interesting, as it's been said (and confirmed) many times that you only get the message if you were the last ban that triggered the suspension. It's possible that you got a strange edge-case, like the person having already disconnected from the client prior to the ban, and you not getting the alert until they logged in again? Not sure.

AeroWaffle3 votes

The reason behind this is that there is only two types of people.

  • Those who never report anyone and
  • Those who report almost every person who breaks The Summoner's Code

No there isn't

/endthread

EvilDustMan2 votes

Int feeding is harder to detect and what some people take as int feeding is just being bad. Yes, we see the rare person who gets away with it 20 games in a row, but that's not the norm, those are outliers.

Second, just because you reported a person doesn't mean they are in line to get punished. One game of toxicity, unless severe, doesn't lead to a punishment. You could have reported someone who isn't always toxic, or someone who isn't far enough along to get punished.

Mute, report and move on. The system works but dwelling on when that person who upset gets punished doesn't help.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}> The reason behind this is that there is only two types of people.

  • Those who never report anyone and
  • Those who report almost every person who breaks The Summoner's Code

The first one is more common.

This seems fairly anecdotal -- I know many people who don't fall into either category, for example, and I know basically no one who doesn't use the report feature.

The first one has more valuable reports because the system thinks that it's the ideal amount of reports you should do. But that doesn't matter because they never report anyone. The second one has almost worthless reports because the system thinks you report everyone for no reason and just abuse the system.

That's not how the system works these days, although I do believe the original system had report weights. It changed a year or two ago, to the best of my knowledge.

I am the second type and I have gotten 2 times the message that "a player you reported has been punished". And I have easily reported over 100 players.

The message is sent if your report is the one that triggers the punishment. Which is an area the system could improve on, definitely. That's one area I'm in full agreement -- it needs a bit more feedback, even if there's just a place where I can see the total number of punishments my reports have helped to trigger (even if there's no instant feedback on my end).

where high elo players could judge if the reported players would be worth bans.

I'm not sure high ELO players are necessarily a better judge of community behavioral standards.

Not xPeke1 votes

High ELO players don't report as much unless a distinct line is crossed with the flaming and stuff.

Even just watching streamers you notice that people find the flaming funny, they don't get triggered or offended, they don't ask for reports and they don't report once the game is over. They just ignore it. Game is over? Click 'play again' and it's on to the next game.

It's mostly in the lower ELOs that all the salty players that get triggered use the reports as a way to 'get back' at someone. Revenge, return hate, "oooh ima get him banned", etc. That's all it is.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Not Xpeke,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=qjL0P4fy,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2017-04-25T18:22:20.509+0000)It's in the lower ELOs that all the salty kids get triggered and use the reports as a way to 'get back' at someone. Revenge, return hate, etc. That's all it is.

Eh? Mid-ELO here myself, and I find the flaming funny -- but I report it because, while it's funny that they're trying to make me mad, I still don't want to be surrounded by that sort of behavior.

But I have friends from every ELO from low-Bronze to Challenger who use the report button frequently, and the same for friends who use it infrequently. So I'm not sure this is as consistent a trend as you think -- although it might be among streamers, certainly.

Not xPeke1 votes

oh yeah don't get me wrong, it's just the personal feeling I have towards the use of the report system.

I could be mistaken, like you said, you might be more correct, np.

I guess yeah, it's maybe just a trend I've noticed among streamers then.

Paquay2 votes

Glad you brought so many statistical facts to backup your claims.

Kei1431 votes

I'd go for an improved system of the current one over making a new one all over again.

Dokkaebi1 votes

Here we see it. Toxic little kids downvoting this post because they want to flame without getting banned

Dokkaebi1 votes

This is the reason everyone hates LoL

Dokkaebi1 votes

And then they wonder why

Dokkaebi1 votes

Pathetic and sad

Dokkaebi1 votes

Pls downvote me more, bronzies.

Dokkaebi1 votes

They don't understand what flaming can do, and think it's ok to do that.

Dokkaebi1 votes

And that the current ban system is garbage. LOL

Not xPeke3 votes

And you calling people 'bronzies' isn't negative? The hypocrisy [zombie-brand-facepalm]

Dokkaebi1 votes

How is it negative? Bronze ranked players? If you see that as a bad thing maybe they are bad?

Not xPeke1 votes

ah nvm dude, you're trolling. Weak attempt though.

I'll humour you though.

You are using the term 'bronzies' as an insult, trying to put people down. You're a hypocrite complaining about flamers. You should look at your own attitude and how you speak to people.

Dokkaebi1 votes

Haha, are you blind? It's a fact that bronze players who want to flame and don't understand how bad the instant feedback system is, are downvoting my post. It's not an insult. Higher elo players know that flaming is bad and want flamers to get banned.

Not xPeke1 votes

It's not a fact. Show me some statistics then. Go on, I'll wait.

It doesn't matter what you say, addressing someone with the term 'bronzies' is not nice. Especially since you're just ASSUMING it's bronze players downvoting you.

EvilDustMan1 votes

{quoted}

Pls downvote me more, bronzies.

Ah, out comes the true attitude.

Dokkaebi1 votes

They can't stand having a decent conversations with arguments so why should I even try?

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