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[Support Player] Maybe League Of Legends isn't the right game for me? I am toxic?

Squarepusher·7/5/2016, 2:06:19 PM·1 votes·1,838 views

I've played a lot of MOBA games in my life, I played DOTA, HON, DOTA 2 and then about 6 months ago I started to play LOL. It took me a while to get adjusted compared to the other games, but I did like many things about LOL compared to them, such as the unique per champion passive and the cool character design and game artwork. Also, I really like how LOL support system works, with free wards/trinket, and also having a passive item extra gold item was really exciting to me it made support funner to play.

I'm pushing about 800 games now, I know MOBA manners, I have never every done any of the following in any of my games

  1. intentionally feed or sell items or anything like that to troll a game
  2. call someone "f*g" or harass someone personally
  3. threaten someones family or wish for them to die during game or after game (I'e actually had this happen quite a few times to me so far in LOL)

However, despite this, I get a reports against me and many people disliking me (on my own team). I play ranked games and take them pretty seriously, making it a high goal to win. As as support, I always let the ADC farm bot, buy sightstone/scanner and ward all game, the basic things for my role. When people do good I congratulate them, when people do bad I tell them to stop, when there is objective or push opportunity I let the team know. When playing non ranked games, I don't take it too serious and let everyone do what they want pretty much.

However, in some ranked games I get the following as a support player, thats its my fault for anything wrong the ADC does (this is in Bronze and Silver ranks). I get a lot of honor and "S" in the games I play, but also a lot of "report this support" report this guys people say, usually the small minority with a big voice. Some people get very mad at me, usually people want to report me when I make them own up to mistakes they make, bad decisions they make or not listening to the team/ignoring pings and chat. I find that good players when they make a mistake, will say "sorry" or own up to it quick and not make the same mistake twice and the issue is over. Bad players will get mad at YOU if you make some comment about a mistake they made or point out flaws they are making. They will blame you for it, or get offended that you mentioned they did something wrong, take it personally, and hound you the rest of the game for it. These people usually will also rally others to "report this person" constantly. These people will also occasionally intentionally feed, troll and after game harass you with death threats/family threats/hoping you die, etc...

I will usually only report someone if they intentionally feed (like suicide into enemy over and over/selling all items). However I get a lot of teammates reporting me if I tell them they are feeding or consistently playing badly and ignoring the team or improvement and that I am hurting their feelings for pointing out mistakes that effect the whole team.

However now I am on my 4th ban for "toxic chat," which seems to just be automated system that happens when someone reports you from what I have found. Besides saying "wtf" I probably have only cursed in my total LOL career 4 times

Apparently, the following things makes me a toxic player and means I should be chat banned: Telling someone to stop dying Pointing out a mistake someone made Insisting that someone plays with the team when they aren't and are playing terrible Trying to get your team a win Chat logs completely ignore any other conversation or game context. For example,** I was chat banned last month for telling someone to stop feeding, and that they were a feeder, and they were terrible player when this person literally sold all his items and was running into enemy base over and over**. I read over the chat log report, and it was insane since this person was literally trolling then I was punished for it because he blamed me, and of course the chat log doesn't have any of his comments or take into context he was suiciding.

Apparently I was being toxic for calling someone who literally lost our team the game purposely suicide a feeder. This person of course blamed me and that I "initiated on the wrong person" so his decision to throw and feed was my fault. The RIOT moderation system obviously completely ignored any context of the game, any of his chat log to me (which was 10x worse and a lot of cursing) and just thinks that because someone called me toxic then I must be.

So anyways, I never had any problems with any other game I played with behavior issues, I am always trying to win the game the best for my team, but in LOL the "report" system seems to be setup as a numbers game or a "popularity contest."

** tl;dr** Some players in ranked league solo queue get extremely upset if you put pressure on them when they are playing badly and point out their mistakes/asking them to improve. These report me for being toxic and now I have my 4th chat ban yesterday because of the report system. I am thinking League Of Legends may not be the right game for me to be playing since the system seems to be telling me that I am the problem. Haven't had any problems in any other game with this.

EDIT: Here are some examples of games where I was reported for being toxic and trolling. As support you can see I am trying for my team to win at least. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2233412347/210944616?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2233166903/210944616?tab=overview http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2232742173/210944616?tab=overview

12 Comments

Kei1437/5/2016, 2:27:47 PM4 votes

Hi new player, Let's have you understand the system a little bit first.

  1. The automated system is just the automated version of what people deem as unacceptable behavior. Different regions have different social aspects of what is punishable. In the Korean servers where try-hard is the norm, calling someone a bronze (or even silver) is punishable! These rules aren't determined by the company, but by the community.

  2. reports in game flag the system to do a toxicity check on that account. More reports doesn't guarantee a punishment. 1 report has the same weight as 9 reports. I know it doesn't feel that way, but that is how the system works.

  3. the system checks for toxicity, if it doesn't find any, it'll toss the report away. So don't worry about defending yourself against reports. it's not necessary. especially if you haven't done anything wrong.

  4. you only get punishment notifications if your report was the "final straw" that punished someone. For example, if someone needed 4 games of toxicity to get punished., if your report was the 3rd reported game, you won't get a notification, but if it was the 4th., you will get the notification.

  5. Riot can see pre/post game chat

Now you know those rules, let's break down what may be the cause of your chat bans. Keep in mind from point 1, community makes these rules, not Riot games, These are also NA rules and may / may not apply to other reigons.

  1. passive-aggressiveness (such as sarcasm, "if you were so good , why aren't you doing _____") isn't well recieved. It makes people feel like they are being backstabbed.

  2. asking for reports is considered harassment. Same as telling people they are muted / reported (infact, you don't need to tell them that). It makes people feel you just slammed the door in front of them, when they didn't know what they did wrong.

  3. telling people to stop feeding is also a form of harassment, it's pointing out the obvious and they already are having a bad game, especially when going against a better player. It doesn't help the situation, but if you do a constructive feedback that is actually constructive, it can help them untilt. "stop feeding" isn't constructive.

  4. giving up early is also widely disliked . it drops team moral and will to fight. People want to win and not give up.

you can also post your chat logs here, and we can disect for you what in your chat is unacceptable.

Jo0o7/5/2016, 2:43:05 PM3 votes

Be less critical of your teammates making misplays. Making mistakes is part of the game, and much of the time, they realize when they goofed. It's unhelpful to say something like "Dude, stop getting grabbed by their Blitzcrank". I KNOW I'm not supposed to get yanked, I'm working on it, and you hounding me could be very tilting. Not sure if that's what you're doing, but it sounds like it could be.

Otherwise, yeah, retaliation flaming isn't protected. Sorry you had a true feeder on your team, but at that point you kinda just have to take the loss, mute, report, and move on.

PM Faker Nudes7/5/2016, 2:07:59 PM3 votes

Dude, just /mute all. League community is not worth talking to.

s LessThanThree7/5/2016, 2:43:55 PM3 votes

Riot has cultivated a community of pussies and crybabies that will flame and be toxic and then cry and report you as soon as you say anything logical or in defense of yourself, or even point out the obvious.

Stating the obvious is considered harassment in this baby jail of ingrown manchildren.

I don't suggest you just mindlessly berate people for making mistakes, like yeah, its good to acknowledge a mistake. But if someone is trolling and you literally call them a troll and a feeder you shouldn't get reported or banned for it.

Absolutely mindless how much policing Riot does. If they did not do any policing, the community would be less toxic. Restricting people like this only encourages toxic behavior and teaches the rest to be soft-skinned and take everything personally and as harassment.

Think of how much this Orwellian thought police state encourages toxicity. Most normal people want to say something bad but wont because they dont want to get banned, not because they dont want to hurt some fragile feelings. The reason people dont flame is because they dont want to get banned. This then bottles up to some breaking point where the person stops caring about the ban and just lets out how they feel. Thats how you end up with the extreme toxicity that you see. People dont usually just get into a game and start telling people to kill themselves with no prior thing upsetting them.

Of course I do not endorse telling people to kill themselves. Thats fucked up. But the reason we end up with something that extreme is because we force people to hold in their anger until its too large to contain

The worst part is that some of the most toxic and disgusting people in the community have learned to abuse the system and know how to not get banned while still being the most toxic fucks on earth. The whole system should be scrapped and a Wild West approach be taken where you talk shit you get hit. And punish trolls and intent feeders more strictly than "toxic" people. If someone is toxic you can mute them. Cant eject a feeder or a troll from your game.

Viceroy Bolt7/5/2016, 6:56:45 PM2 votes

Rather than "Quit Feeding" why not "Hey, being past [basic ping to point] without vision isn't helpful without backup or wards"

The former makes me want to say "NO U" and just type the ff in at 20 to be done with you. The latter helps me make the plays I need to get myself out of ELO hell, and I view as useful information.

t3kn34k7/5/2016, 2:19:23 PM1 votes

maybe dont spend all game telling other people how to play, focus on your own game and good team play

Navarune7/5/2016, 3:26:51 PM1 votes

Here's the deal: people generally know when they are doing poorly and don't need someone to point it out. It's not really constructive when you do, and if you are also making mistakes then it invalidates any potential advice you may give. Rather than point out mistakes, try this:

  1. Make only positive comments. This is big, because nothing following this in the list will matter until you've done this first step.
  2. Focus on your game first. Anything you say will be judged first in the crucible of your own prowess, so make sure that you know what you're doing before you try and make calls for your team.
  3. Point out major objectives your team can take. Rather than micro manage your teammates or comment negatively on their play, look at what your team can accomplish in the next few minutes. Do you have wave pressure in a side lane that may can win you a tower? Is the Infernal Drake coming up in a few minutes?
  4. Understand that everyone has a bad game from time to time. You can't win them all, and this includes the laning phase. Sometimes you just get camped extra hard or are just outmatched by your opponent. Try to figure out some way you can help out your teammates if this seems to be them; sometimes the best you can offer them is encouragement, and that's okay. If you can do something tangible to help, though, then that makes it all the better.
  5. People won't improve within a game. What I mean here is that if someone is making mistakes in game, they aren't likely to turn things around for themselves on the next back.