Fairness in League of Legends

OG shush·1/17/2020, 6:27:18 PM·2 votes·1,995 views

Is it fair that calling someone an idiot is instantly a chat restriction and honor ruined? Is it fair that a person can leave 50 games in a row and still retain his honor lvl 5, and never get even a 2 week ban? Is it fair that you can intentionally feed while writing "sry guys doing my best" and have no repercussions at all? Can anyone actually claim that one person calling another person an idiot has more impact on the game than a guy rage quitting on 0-1? Can anyone actually claim that one person calling another person an idiot has more impact on the game than an ad carry going mid to die 5 times in a row? These are the questions i present, about fairness and how League punishment system is one of the worst for the magnitude of its game. The only crime actually punished is flaming, resulting in a perma ban if you're a hardcore flamer, but what's funny tho is it's the only crime you can actually prevent (Mute button). When a guy leaves/ints, what can you do? Pray to the gods he returns? Beg a person intentionally ruining your gaming experience ("please bad person, please start playing normally"). So in the other 2 cases not punished by Riot, your options are pray - beg, kinda funny isn't it. Making this post because i am baffled at the amount of popularity "flame" gets, when it is objectively the only crime that can effectively be prevented (once again, mute button). Not saying flame isn't bad of course, it ruins games aswell, but the severity of the punishment between flame/leave/int cannot even be compared, one results in a permanent ban, the other results in 5 games of prolonged queue (never a ban), and the third one is only punishable if you take 10 minutes out of your day to go and report the person by hand. I know the world is currently a place where it's popular to play the victim and be offended by everything, but IMO Riot has taken that step a bit too far.

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Hotarµ1/17/2020, 6:49:30 PM7 votes

Is it fair that calling someone an idiot is instantly a chat restriction and honor ruined?

That on it's own usually isn't enough to warrant a full punishment, especially if it's one off-hand comment like that.

Even if you did lose Honor because of that, it's because you're still harassing and insulting others which is precisely what Riot doesn't want you to do.

Is it fair that a person can leave 50 games in a row and still retain his honor lvl 5, and never get even a 2 week ban?

** Riot Tantrum has said that repeatedly leaving games can result in a permanent ban.**

That being said, I do personally think AFK punishments are nowhere near as severe as they should be. Leaving a game (especially when there's proof of them doing it deliberately) should be punished much more harshly than a Leaverbuster.

Is it fair that you can intentionally feed while writing "sry guys doing my best" and have no repercussions at all?

Intentionally feeding =/= underperforming.

Going 0/10 but trying your best is not intentionally feeding and is not/should not be punishable.

Going 0/10 or more while walking into the enemy team with no effort to survive, escape, or attack is punishable because that is intentionally feeding.

Can anyone actually claim that one person calling another person an idiot has more impact on the game than a guy rage quitting on 0-1? Can anyone actually claim that one person calling another person an idiot has more impact on the game than an ad carry going mid to die 5 times in a row?

It's not a competition. Yes, leaving a game is bad but insulting your teammates is also bad. Neither should be allowed just because one might be "less impactful" than another.

The only crime actually punished is flaming, resulting in a perma ban if you're a hardcore flamer, but what's funny tho is it's the only crime you can actually prevent (Mute button).

Intentionally feeding is punished. It's not consistently punished because it's not always readily apparent, there are ways to mask feeding/griefing that make it hard for an automated system to detect. But eventually and more often than not, intentional feeders are punished.

Riot has stated multiple times that a mute button is not justification for breaking the rules. Just because you can functionally ignore what someone is saying doesn't mean they aren't still saying it.

When a guy leaves/ints, what can you do? Pray to the gods he returns? Beg a person intentionally ruining your gaming experience ("please bad person, please start playing normally"). So in the other 2 cases not punished by Riot, your options are pray - beg, kinda funny isn't it.

You play the game out to the best of your ability and report the player at the end of the match.

Flaming the person isn't going to help the situation and isn't justified because what they're doing is also wrong.

Not saying flame isn't bad of course, it ruins games aswell, but the severity of the punishment between flame/leave/int cannot even be compared, one results in a permanent ban, the other results in 5 games of prolonged queue (never a ban), and the third one is only punishable if you take 10 minutes out of your day to go and report the person by hand.

Numbering this for clarity.

1 - Flaming/severe toxicity will only result in a permanent ban if you go through every stage of the punishment ladder. "Regular" language will give you four chances (10 game chat restriction > 25 game chat restriction > 14 day gameplay suspension > Permanent ban) whereas more heinous language will give you an immediate 14 day suspension followed by a permanent ban if you use any sort of negative language.

It's not an immediate permaban.

2 - As mentioned above, I agree that AFKing should warrant much more severe punishments and the current Leaverbuster system doesn't offer enough to deter someone from doing it.

3 - Intentional feeding is punished contrary to popular belief, some cases take a lot of time and aren't as readily identifiable. The automated system is capable of detecting it, albeit somewhat inconsistently. Nobody ever said the system was perfect, but it's the best one we've got.

I know the world is currently a place where it's popular to play the victim and be offended by everything, but IMO Riot has taken that step a bit too far.

This has nothing to do with the "current world" and everything to do with the feasibility of an automated system.

Chat punishments are easier to detect and are much more common, gameplay punishments are not. That's as far as it goes.

Imperial Pandaa1/17/2020, 7:00:53 PM7 votes

It isn't a matter of who is the worst offender, the point of the matter is rules are still being broken. I'll take about each part a bit more in detail in a moment. Different systems handle different aspects.

Verbal - Calling someone an idiot 1 time isn't going to break your account. Calling someone an idiot 50 times in a match may, or maybe doing it for 50 games straight may. Between verbal and gameplay, you actually get more chances to reform for verbal punishments. The verbal track has 4 steps. 10 game CR, 25 game CR, 14 day ban, and Perm. It is possible to skip tiers though if severe enough.

Gameplay - Yes, everyone would love a more accurate and quick responding system for gameplay offenses. These typically have 2 penalties: 14 day ban and perm. Designing a system to determine intent is not easy, meaning Riot er's on the side of caution in most cases for gameplay bans. Are they trolling or trying a new strategy? Are they intentionally feeding or having a bad game?

Afk/leaving - There should be something harsher in the case of Malicious afk/leaving and what I mean are the ones who go "gg" and leave/afk. Currently there is Leaver Buster for afk/leavers and it has leeway because sometimes emergencies happen, or poor planning happens.

As for why is flame punished when you can mute, because being able to mute someone doesn't mean people should freely get to be assholes. People don't only flame inters/trolls. They flame whoever they want.

World peace plz1/17/2020, 6:42:26 PM5 votes

You get punisht for more than just calling somebody a idiot but y you insult somebody you get punisht what did you thought would happen ? You might wanna post your chat logs so we can see it for ourselfs.

Quiet Dude1/17/2020, 6:44:10 PM4 votes

You are responsible for your own behavior. I can't make you act in a way to get you banned. Neither can my sister or uncle. Just you. If you think it's unfair, it's because you aren't taking ownership for your actions.

But if people are making you act a certain way, then can you go the store for me and pick up some bread and peanut butter? Thanks.

MaMaDeW1/17/2020, 9:22:22 PM3 votes

You call someone an idiot and you think that he will magically become more eager to be help you gain LP? "You can't prevent inters" btw. [sg-miss-fortune]

Also the system bans what it can. It is easier to detect chat than inting, this is why there is a disproportion in chat bans vs game play bans.