Revisit you BAN-system RIOT!!! Please!!!

Resentitan·1/3/2018, 12:34:53 AM·0 votes·651 views

I think that you shouldn't get perma banned for anything that you write in your chat because it has almost no difference in the game. My personal toughts on requierments for perma bans should be either you are a cheater or elo boost. Those things affect games! Not what you wrote in chat to some guy how bad he is or something like that! So i think that RIOT should revisit their system.

My friend got around 7 perma bans all because he was "flaming". After thousands of hours that he spent on this game and almost 1k dollars RIOT just thinks that it is fair to ban him. NO it is not!!! First of all you should be able to write and say anything you want as it is one of our human rights! But your system clearly does not support it! Therefor you are violating our human rights. Let's take a example.

How would you feel if you came to a coffee shop. And you order a regular coffee. But that coffe ehas a strange taste. Then you realise that she gave you the wrong coffee. You go to the counter. Ask for a new coffee. But they say to you you can't have it. So you go to review the coffee shop online. You say to them that their coffee is thrash,that it's always too sweat or too bitter. But you still want to go to that coffee place because your friends hang out there. But the owner says: Sorry, you wrote a bad review so you can't enter anymore. You are officialy banned from my coffee shop! You can write request letters for him to let you in but the response will always be the same: You thrash talked us on the internet and that violates our rule of people writing bad reviews! But you spend thousands of dollars there because you were comming there for 10 maybe 15 years!!! And you just get banned from it!? Unacceptable!!! (toxic people)

But if you were to start a rumble in that coffee shop and you kicked an owner then you probably should get banned from that coffee place 'cus you are making a mess!!! (cheaters and elo boosted players)

And I think that is how some of my friends feel,myself included, and probably every other player that was banned for "toxicity". So I'm calling out every major RIOT employee to speak to me or anyone who was involved in such a thing!!!

Also the people who tend to get banned are those hardcore gamers who spend countless of hours on your game!! And i think that is not the right way to repay them!!!

P.S. Inting should be bannable as well but as you can see i didn't mention it because i forgot about it completley!!!

Share this post as much as you can so RIOT could see how strong of a community we are!!!

And i wonder how did you let me make another account linked to the same e-mail address as my banned account? Something is wrong with your system and you need to fix it quick!!!

22 Comments

Coopa1231/3/2018, 12:46:02 AM11 votes

Therefor you are violating our human rights. Let's take a example.

Alright here we go

But the owner says: Sorry, you wrote a bad review so you can't enter anymore. You are officialy banned from my coffee shop!

Yeah sucks doesn't it? That has absolutely nothing to do with human rights. The OWNER of the shop decides who is allowed and who isn't. You're free to scream your opinion about it in the streets, write a million bad reviews, complain about every type of coffee they make and every single worker they have ... if the owner doesn't want you in his shop it's his right and you can't do shit about.

Now let's keep going with this analogy and say your friend is banned from the coffee shop: He can wear a wig and sunglasses and try his luck again (create new account) Or he finds another coffee place (Overwatch has nice coffee)

Riot makes the rules. If they don't want immature people in their game flaming their customers that's their right. You either behave or gtfo.

That's exactly how it is in the real world aswell. Deal with it or leave

ModUlanopo1/3/2018, 12:55:00 AM4 votes

The coffee shop thing is a bad analogy, as a business can discriminate all they want as long as it isn't against a protected class and, even then, there are exceptions.

Kei1431/3/2018, 12:38:41 AM3 votes

how strong are we?

I hope you friend eventually learns that he is not welcome in the game and goes play over watch instead.

Timethief491/3/2018, 12:41:21 AM3 votes

Sure talking is your right, but if you Talk Shit on someones property be prepared to get thrown Out. Your Coffeeshop Metapher is Linda Bad. You don't get banned for criticising riot, you get banned for flaming, cheating, inting or boosting. Fläming and inting you even get warnings and multiple chances to reform.

Umbral Regent1/3/2018, 1:31:40 AM3 votes

I think that you shouldn't get perma banned for anything that you write in your chat because it has almost no difference in the game. My personal toughts on requierments for perma bans should be either you are a cheater or elo boost. Those things affect games! Not what you wrote in chat to some guy how bad he is or something like that! So i think that RIOT should revisit their system.

You're entitled to your opinion, but trash talking, flaming, and other chat-related offenses do have a tangible impact on the game. They drop morale and make everyone play worse because of - potentially - just one person's negativity.

That doesn't mean that chat-related offenses and gameplay-related offenses are treated the same, mind. Chat-related offenses often simply climb the punishment ladder from 10-game Chat Restrict, 25-game Chat Restrict, 14-day Ban, & Permaban, whereas gameplay-related offenses skip the chat restrictions entirely, putting players right on the verge of a permaban once their foul play has been verified.

And, again - you think that chat toxicity and flaming and all that other nonsense doesn't affect the game, but it does. Toxicity negatively impacts games, whether you can see the effects or not.

That said, their system is fine. Flawed - and needing quite a few QOL tweaks and the like, but ultimately fine. It serves the community, and the community wants nothing to do with toxic players, trolls, cheaters, or feeders.


My friend got around 7 perma bans all because he was "flaming". After thousands of hours that he spent on this game and almost 1k dollars RIOT just thinks that it is fair to ban him. NO it is not!!! First of all you should be able to write and say anything you want as it is one of our human rights! But your system clearly does not support it! Therefor you are violating our human rights. Let's take a example.

Yes, it is fair. It may not be in the smaller scale - between you and him, it certainly isn't fair - but to the community at large, it is fair. The community doesn't want to deal with toxic assholes spewing hate at other people, and I'm sorry to say this, but - 7 accounts banned for flaming kinda tells me your friend is more than an asshole.

If he can't compose himself properly, then he shouldn't be playing League. It doesn't matter how many hours he's played, how much money he's dropped on the account, the rules clearly state what isn't allowed, flaming being one of them. That your friend ignored those rules through Seven accounts, which would be Twenty-Seven separate warnings (7 10-games, 7 25-games, 7 14-days, 6 permabans) shows that he either has zero sense of self-control, or is completely deluded thinking that what he says is okay.

First of all you should be able to write and say anything you want as it is one of our human rights!

Oh, boy. This schtick again. Yadda-yadda-yadda, Freedom of Speech, it's the same old song and dance.

Freedom of Speech does not equal Freedom of Consequence. You still have your Freedom of Speech intact, even if Riot bans you. They're not the government, and League of Legends is their private domain which they hold full control over. If they see you breaking their rules, "freedom of speech" is not going to save you from the impending meeting of their boot and your ass.

Now, with that tired nonsense out of the way, we can move on.


How would you feel if you came to a coffee shop. And you order a regular coffee. But that coffe ehas a strange taste. Then you realise that she gave you the wrong coffee. You go to the counter. Ask for a new coffee. But they say to you you can't have it.

Well, if we're going to be realistic here, if your coffee has a strange taste (implying you've had regular coffee before), the first thing any civil person would do is go up to the counter and ask if what they were given was regular coffee. If it wasn't, you can ask for a new one or a refund (store policies may differ, and it is entirely possible you could be told neither were options), and you can continue from there.

Hypothetical outcomes include: 1. A refund is made, 2. Drink is exchanged for what was asked for, formal apologies made, 3. Neither are options, so you kinda just have to deal with it. Buying a new coffee is still an option.

So you go to review the coffee shop online. You say to them that their coffee is thrash,that it's always too sweat or too bitter.

That's a melodramatic step that only a temperamental jerk would take. Sure, writing a negative review may do something, but it's not going to change the coffee (if it is what you ordered), and surely to god if your coffee is bitter, you can ask for sweetener or something like that. But to just up and say "MY COFFEE WAS STRANGE, THIS COFFEE SHOP IS TRASH" is just...Really, sorely immature.

But you still want to go to that coffee place because your friends hang out there. But the owner says: Sorry, you wrote a bad review so you can't enter anymore. You are officialy banned from my coffee shop!

Pffft. Come on, seriously? Banned from a coffee shop for a bad review? (I mean, sure, if you go the immature route and say the coffee shop is trash because you didn't like the one cup you got, they could pretty much bar access to the shop if they know you're going to be a dick about it.)

Negative reviews happen, and if the coffee shop otherwise has a wealth of good reviews, one negative one (particularly if it's well-composed and not just a temper tantrum) wouldn't ban you for it.


Honestly, the whole analogy is pretty absurd, I'm not even going to bother with the last bit. The analogy would be closer to being correct if it was more like this:

"You go into a coffee shop routinely, but every day you keep arguing and shouting at other customers. Naturally, the coffee shop owner kicks you out and bars access to the shop, regardless of whether or not you have friends who go there or if you've spent money there."

Routinely spewing hate and flaming people is liable to get you kicked out of the coffee shop, just like it is in League of Legends.


And I think that is how some of my friends feel,myself included, and probably every other player that was banned for "toxicity".

And they can feel that way all they want. If they've been banned for toxicity, they've had upwards of three chances to shape up, and they wasted them all. We don't want to deal with them, so if they come back and haven't wisened up, haven't stopped being toxic, they're just going to get banned all over again.

So I'm calling out every major RIOT employee to speak to me or anyone who was involved in such a thing!!!

Uhhuh. Good luck with that, I think the most in the way of Riot response you'd get here is Tantram, and even then, I doubt he'd really have anything to say that the community hasn't already. Not to say he couldn't, but there isn't really much to be said about this "issue".


Also the people who tend to get banned are those hardcore gamers who spend countless of hours on your game!! And i think that is not the right way to repay them!!!

Are you suggesting that players who spend a lot of time playing League of Legends should be exempt from the rules? Even if they're the worst, most toxic players who ruin everyone's matches with their filth-spewing, unnecessary hatred? Potentially trolls, intentional feeders, and other such players, too?

Hardcore or not, the rules apply to everyone. Nobody is exempt. I don't care if you're in Challenger, have Mastery 7 on every single Champion, and have played since the game's birth, you play by the rules, or not at all.

Pandeonor1/3/2018, 1:00:54 AM2 votes

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I think that you shouldn't get perma banned for anything that you write in your chat because it has almost no difference in the game. ..... How would you feel if you came to a coffee shop......

Let´s take this. How would you feel if you are sitting in a coffee shop and another guest came along and tells you you are a dumb, a black idiot, a gay, a dumbass and so on for several minutes? It will not change the outcome of your drink - that is your argument. This happens all the time you come for a coffee.

Know what? You will not like to go there any more after the 5th, 10th, 50th time you where called an idiot. You will go to a place where you can enjoy your coffee with friends without being flamed. And that´s the reason why every owner of a coffee shop will throw out a guest wich does not behave well.

Such guests would ruin his buiseness. And to protect his shop and other guests is his right and it is for the guests wich are able and are willing to behave.

You don´t understand this. OK. You don´t have to. It´s not your turn to decide (wich is good for all players).

Chermorg1/3/2018, 4:17:24 AM2 votes

because it has almost no difference in the game.

It makes all the difference. The point of a game is to have fun. Cheaters may affect if you win or not, but they don't really make you have less fun - same with boosters - unless you let them. On the contrary, being verbally abused or dealing with someone constantly negative/berating in chat does ruin the game, as it ruins the fun of playing a game.

Resentitan1/3/2018, 12:55:17 AM1 votes

I agree that the analogy wasn't the best one but you can still get the message. He may be the owner but for because you wrote a bad review does not mean that he can just forbid you from entering. And it does violate your human right to speak freely because it makes you obey his rules and if you want to go to his coffee shop you shouldn't be speaking of your bad experience and the way you were mistreated.

Resentitan1/3/2018, 1:09:32 AM1 votes

I respect all of your thoughts on my post. I just wanted to see other people opinions on the referring mater.

Butt Ρlug1/3/2018, 12:54:09 AM1 votes

I think that you shouldn't get perma banned for anything that you write in your chat because it has almost no difference in the game.

Almost no difference ? you sure about that ? I'm gonna quote one of my old reply :

When two people in my team starts flaming each other in chat, often times they are so into it that they back into turret range or stay 15s in base just to type their messages, they nearly always miss cs, and more often than not it ends by one of them getting tilted, going afk, inting or beginning to throw away the game because of that ( seriously, just like kids, they are angry because of something someone else said, and they'll react like that ). If it ends that way, i'm for sure gonna report both of them, i don't care who started it or anything. But if them arguing overall does not impact my experience of the game, i won't report them.

They could have used the time they were using to argue to go ward, watch their minimap to get a better idea of the macro, look at the enemies itemization in detail, focus on csing, go steal an enemy jungle camp(really impactfull now), take scuttle, roam and try to help your team by ganking another lane, ... there is ALWAYS a better thing to do that can help leading to victory than typing something in the chat. The game isn't about arguing in chat. ^That is usually what is bothering me ( and a lot of people ) when i see two people arguing with each other. I don't care what they are debating on, i just want them to focus on playing the game. If they wanna debate/argue, they can chat after the game via the friends system, or go to the forums/teamspeack/whatever, to debate like we are doing in this conversation.

AzureDragoon1/3/2018, 3:30:31 PM1 votes

The coffee shop example you give is completely nonequivalent to the argument you are trying to make. There's a big difference between "Hey, I think you gave me the wrong order" and launching into an expletive, slur, and insult filled tirade over a simple mistake.

Your justification that somehow your human rights are being violated is rather amusing. People in the past few years seem to have this notion that Freedom of Speech somehow means they are entirely free from any criticism or consequences entirely from everyone, when instead most such laws and rights are narrowly based on governments themselves (i.e. one can not be jailed or censored by a government for holding a differing opinion).

Zombie Gerbil1/3/2018, 4:39:33 AM1 votes

Your analogy was absolutely terrible. Your friend wasn't suitable for the game obviously, and there's nothing to fix when there's nothing wrong with the system in the first place.

General Esdeath 1/3/2018, 6:14:09 AM1 votes

Why do you keep downvote farming and then deleting your posts?

Telephone Booth1/3/2018, 12:56:52 AM1 votes

Your friends permabans are obviously fair, because he agreed to the rules when he made an account to play this game. They show you the rules, you agree to them, you break them, you get kicked out. Completely fair.

I will agree though, that they should not permaban for chat offenses. Doesn't mean your friend didn't break the rules and was treated unfairly. As if that matters in the first place... everyone knows life doesn't care about fairness.