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should riot re implement the level 20 challenge for permabans?

scazzman·6/2/2016, 7:36:19 AM·3 votes·984 views

i am not a permabanned player. the worst ive gotten are the occasional chat restriction and i've since reformed. but i still feel the ban system is too harsh for borderline negativity.

arguements for:

many permabanned players would not have been permabanned under the previous system, and it was reserved for only severe offenders. not necessarily repeat offenders who just flame too much" and now anyone can get permabanned if they get validly reported enough

Back when it was created. "refusal to communicate with team" was a report option, and even if it was a placebo. not everyone knew that. so reforming players were forced to still use chat when if they had the option of simply not typing they might have.

it allows opportunity for a second chance. that some people truly deserve. reaper review for example

riot hand picked the people to try to earn thier accounts back. which could have just as easily been set up to fail to justify permabans as it was for people to succeed

arguments against :

riot would be actively encouraging known toxic players to make new accounts. even if they just do that anyway

there is a reason why they were permabanned "usually"

what's to say we wont get the same result

6 Comments

disregardable6/2/2016, 7:50:32 AM7 votes

Argument Against: it was proven to not work the first time and would be a colossal waste of effort.

Troll Armada6/2/2016, 8:32:11 AM2 votes

Back when it was created. "refusal to communicate with team" was a report option, and even if it was a placebo. not everyone knew that

ha ha I knew that!

some options still are effectively placebos, since there is lterally no mechanism in place at riot support to duscern fact from fiction.

The people who can do so, don't work in support.

A lot of people would be better off, if they just realized that support is like going to your grandmother, who doesn't like computers, with a question about league of legends. If you place it in that context, you'll understand a lot more about what support can and cannot do for you.

Don't get me wrong here. I LOVE MY GRANDMOTHER! Bless her heart.

Sythriel Draken6/2/2016, 8:38:15 AM1 votes

I agree that the punishment system is harsh. I have had a 2 week ban about a year ago, I've since been reforming and only gotten a few chat restrictions here and there for being dumb and repeating what other people have said in defense of a teammate.. which honestly is dumb that people can harrass others but the moment you stand up for a team mate it's here's a chat restriction that doesnt' carry over to pre or post game lobbies where most of the toxic shit is said.....anyway, I digress.

It doesn't take much to have a nice guy like one of my favorite youtubers Anklespankin being toxic in this game, although he's admitted that he just says his toxic stuff out loud. The ranked system with dynamic queue's matchmaking is fucking horrible, the points system requires you to basically go on a 5-6 game win streak to even advance a tier with some losses negating 2 games at most in terms of points. oh and let's not forget riot's laziness when it comes to dealing with trolls and afkers in ranked games.. "oh we have this system where games matter, but only usable within the first 2 minutes of the game and only if someone didn't go off and die.. wait, you mean this guy ran to mid lane and died then afked 2 minutes in? well, you're fucked" I mean, the trolls have already won by the time you report them.

Known toxic players are already making alternate accounts after perma bans.. I mean, look at tyler1 he's been "forever banned" yet he STILL owns an account that riot doesn't know about. hell, I bet you he has 3+ accounts and still being toxic. hell, I know some players who make accounts, level them up to 30 just to be toxic on and keep their main account clean. They will go into ranked games at about the silver level, intentionally feed with little to no runes or time on the account, ruin other people's games, and laugh about it when that account gets banned, cause they'll just continue to make new ones.

Hell, Riot increased the toxicity by introducing the mastery 6-7 and hextech system because those that are "ineligible" just stop caring and continue to be toxic til a point where they know that any punishments have "fallen off". Mastery 6-7 right now are only able to be earned if you're eligible for rewards as well, so players who are ineligible will go ahead and intentionally feed or not try their best because why should they, they aren't going to get a token no matter what.

it's also really easy to trick the system as players have found out with all these offensive hate speech filled club names (N words, Fg Words, etc) You can be as offensive as you want, use hate speech as long as you mispell the word because the computer program only looks for the right spelling and not any variation.. Wanna test me on it? Type a hate word in your "status" in the client and then type it again spelled differently with a number or a different letter.. it won't go on the first one, but the alternative mispellings will go through 100%.

Now, I would love to see riot change the punishment system. I would love for them to add in a 7 day ban before the two week ban. Why? because that way you have that extra level of "oh shit, I'm being very toxic" without worrying on that game after your two week ban where you slip up to never play that account again.. (know some people that has happened to and read about where they get into a game after a two week ban, and some toxic player goes off on them and bam that account gets permaed because they asked them to stop and got reported) With this extra level, if you hadn't learned your lessen after going through the 3rd state in this idea ( the week long ban) or the 4th (the two week) then yes, you deserve to be perma banned.

Firu6/3/2016, 5:30:23 PM1 votes

I think the punishment system is harsh but it is fair. I find it frustrating when I see many posts on these boards of people who are only apologetic once their accounts are banned. However, they've had numerous chances prior to be forming. To me, it's not that they're asking for a second chance. They're asking for a fourth one...

Related to your post, I think the level 20 challenge was an interesting experience that Riot did once before but the results were not that promising. Toxic players (toxic to the level that they had lost their account) still acted toxic.

I suppose, there is a lot of evidence to suggest that most people who would reform, actually do so. They just do it prior to being permanently banned. The players who get to the permanent ban stage are the ones who would be least likely to ever reform. A fourth chance in these cases, wouldn't do anything really.

Reaper Review6/3/2016, 6:29:17 PM1 votes

Can we please stop with the threads like this? I can't help but read them and then die on the inside because I'm reminded that it'll never happen.

It won't happen. It just won't. Barring some ridiculous paradigm shift within Riot, the punishment system will stay like it is, and that's VERY unlikely considering the whole Dynamic Queue fiasco.

SmokedAlmonds6/3/2016, 8:05:56 PM1 votes

No thanks. I don't feel repeat minor offenders in this case are meaningfully less likely to reoffend than severe offenders. They had their chances. To me, at that point, people just are who they are and that is fine, but that is someone incompatible with league.

If anything I would like to see a lengthy ban between 14 day and permanent. Like 6 months or a year. They could also drop one of the chat restriction tiers if they didn't want to give players any addition chances to offend.