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THE VERDICT - EPISODE VIII

ModUlanopo·6/28/2017, 11:11:28 PM·11 votes·1,051 views

Today we are going over the eighth and final set of chat logs volunteered to us. Review the logs, cast your vote, and discuss your decisions.

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    • Player/Teammates/Opponents

    Game 1:

    [1:20] Blitzcrank: bullied
    [2:46] Orianna: that invade fucked us over
    [3:14] Mordekaiser: ?
    [3:18] Mordekaiser: had time to back
    [3:27] Mordekaiser: nunu top
    [7:43] [ALL] Rumble: ?
    [7:53] Mordekaiser: can';t ganjk that
    [7:57] Lee Sin: too late for top dude gonna have to let turret go or some shit
    [8:04] Mordekaiser: i can farm top
    [8:08] Mordekaiser: didn't want that gank
    [8:13] Lee Sin: We could of if you didn't give two free kills dude
    [8:16] Mordekaiser: i'll come back
    [8:26] Mordekaiser: sorry don't have wards up always
    [8:47] Mordekaiser: and level 5's vs 5
    [8:50] Mordekaiser: 6
    [8:56] Mordekaiser: not winning that no matter what
    [10:54] Mordekaiser: nop gank
    [10:56] Mordekaiser: no gank
    [11:18] Mordekaiser: no who gave 2 free kills
    [11:26] Lee Sin: lol
    [11:27] Orianna: morde isnt good top tbh
    [11:30] Orianna: and u first picked it
    [11:33] Orianna: so shut up and play pls
    [11:34] Mordekaiser: ori isn't good mid
    [11:37] Orianna: so we can atleast try to win
    [11:39] Orianna: yea she is LOL
    [11:40] Orianna: AHHAHA
    [11:44] Mordekaiser: morde is fine top
    [11:47] Orianna: LL
    [11:50] Orianna: ok muting you
    [11:53] Orianna: "ori isnt good mid"
    [11:55] Orianna: im done LOL
    [12:16] Mordekaiser: good thing i'm the only reason we're behinsd
    [12:24] Orianna: yup
    [12:29] Orianna: its true
    [12:53] Mordekaiser: harld top
    [13:21] Mordekaiser: don't feed
    [13:30] [ALL] Talon: LOL
    [13:45] Orianna: wish i could ping the 0/3/0 score
    [13:48] Orianna: and the terrible build
    [13:53] Orianna: no mr
    [13:55] Orianna: going ludens first
    [13:56] Orianna: kappa
    [14:02] Mordekaiser: going hourglass first jka
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    [14:08] Orianna: how
    [14:10] Orianna: is that wrong
    [14:11] Mordekaiser: good thing no one else has 3 deaths
    [14:11] Orianna: LOL
    [14:14] Orianna: your trying to be smart
    [14:17] Blitzcrank: stfu and playt we can still win
    [14:19] Orianna: but you are just not
    [14:19] Blitzcrank: both of you
    [14:42] Mordekaiser: BuT yOu ArE jUsT nOt
    [15:38] Orianna: cant have morde split all game :/
    [15:45] Mordekaiser: can't have you fighting
    [15:49] [ALL] Morgana: theres a ff at 15 option
    [15:51] Blitzcrank: yeah i think its over
    [15:56] [ALL] Orianna: ya
    [16:01] [ALL] Orianna: had to mute my morde please report him
    [16:07] [ALL] Mordekaiser: and report ori
    [16:18] [ALL] Talon: gg
    [16:18] [ALL] Nunu: ggg

    Due to technical difficulties, we are unable to attach a poll to this thread. Please feel free to discuss it below.

    19 Comments

    Jo0o6/28/2017, 11:19:09 PM13 votes

    Dumb, pointless bickering.

    It seems like Ori started it, but the Morde should have just let that comment slide. The clumsy rebuttal of "ori isn't good mid" just escalates and distracts, especially since it's such an absurd point to try to make (Ori is quite strong right now!), which invites further debate and bickering that's unhealthy to the game. Blitz tried to right the ship, but apparently caved in the unanimous surrender vote due to his teammates being more interesting in measuring their epeens than trying to actually win the game.

    This wasn't incredibly toxic, but due to the fact that this bullshit argument literally caused a unanimous surrender vote despite Blitzcrank being hopeful for a comeback, I'm comfortable voting Negative.

    Dolyna6/29/2017, 12:57:51 AM8 votes

    It leans negative, but not enough to get a report from me. "Ori isn't good mid" could be seen as an insult toward the player, but I see it as a remark about the champion, just as the Orianna player did. I just don't see anything from Mordekaiser that stands out as flaming. I'll vote Neutral.

    Clementine6/29/2017, 3:42:18 AM4 votes

    He could've muted Ori, but I don't think he is being negative by defending his champ. He didn't say anything say anything mean, so it's a neutral in my book.

    SnakDatSmilesBak6/29/2017, 12:14:17 AM3 votes

    Negative af! Passive-aggressive from the start and argues with ori too much.

    Malicious Metal6/29/2017, 3:28:47 AM3 votes

    Ludens Echo first item?! An absolute travesty!

    Lynch that guy!

    zafey7/1/2017, 6:09:29 AM3 votes

    we need death timestamps. It's hard to tell who's dying and how often.

    ModPeriscope6/29/2017, 12:27:36 AM3 votes

    I feel it's negative for the insults to Ori's pick and itemization.

    Silent Gravity6/29/2017, 2:13:18 AM3 votes

    [11:18] Mordekaiser: no who gave 2 free kills [12:16] Mordekaiser: good thing i'm the only reason we're behinsd [14:11] Mordekaiser: good thing no one else has 3 deaths [14:42] Mordekaiser: BuT yOu ArE jUsT nOt [15:45] Mordekaiser: can't have you fighting [16:07] [ALL] Mordekaiser: and report ori

    Vs 12 lines of useful chat, and the rest just noise.

    It is arguing. He does call for reports. [11:18] <- That line is a response to a 3 minute old line of chat, restarting an argument for no reason.

    Again, the line between negative and neutral is blurry. But, there were a lot of chances to ignore the Ori (and Lee) and get back to playing. I'll vote negative this time. A 10 game CR would be very motivational in teaching when to apply mute to a situation to avoid making it worse.

    Aeszarck6/28/2017, 11:24:59 PM2 votes

    I'm going to go negative with this one. Mordekaiser should have just muted Orianna, because most of the negativity comes from his conversation with her. The arguing between them didn't end up doing anything positive for the team (neither side budged) and it ended up creating a pretty hostile atmosphere. Mordekaiser did all right in the beginning, but in trying to defend himself from Orianna he ended up just creating a negative atmosphere. For example, Blitzcrank was obviously tilted from their argument.

    This game isn't mine, but it reminds me of a very recent game where I did really poorly and defended myself in a passive-aggressive manner. I should have muted the flamer in that game instead of responding, because that sort of defense really accomplished me nothing.

    Necrozard8/5/2017, 3:48:01 AM1 votes

    I would vote this as neutral

    He didn't crossed the line of toxicity, he was just passive-aggresive (Saying incorrect things , dying unintentionally , bad memes or building not-optimal items are not reasons to classify him as negative)

    But maybe a soft warning would have been good (to tell him to take care about what he says)

    we need death timestamps. It's hard to tell who's dying and how often.

    Yes would be nice to know the core events

    I also volunteer for the chats logs Zilean

    BlueThingamajig6/29/2017, 3:37:39 AM1 votes

    I think we can safely rule out 'positive' from this mordekaiser. But if this game came up before me in the tribunal, I think I would vote to pardon. The player didn't cross any of my lines, and at no point did I think the player in question was causing notable harm to the team.

    A game that results in a surrender@15 has gone wrong on many different levels (the levels are called top, mid, bot, and jungle). The fact that the game was a total disaster and the worst thing said was (paraphrasing) "you're losing too" is not enough to justify a punishment.

    Thus, I vote neutral.

    Aside note: I laughed. Here we have another classic case of "I'm muting you, but I'll still respond to the things you say for the rest of the game because I can still read them because I never actually muted you even though I claimed to" from the orianna.

    TacticaLiuser6/29/2017, 5:33:24 PM1 votes

    Based on chat alone (and no in game actions to support what is happening), volunteer and teammates (ori) were flaming each other, when either had the ability to stop and focus on playing. Morde's chat was clearly passive-aggressive with a negative sarcasm. If the Morde and Ori are duo, I would check to see if this constitutes as trolling, and if so, punish both. Atypical lane choices and atypical items/item orders are ok, but obviously, people should be aware that it opens up opportunities for people to flame.

    HowPlayGAEM6/29/2017, 10:21:12 PM1 votes

    This is a nothingburger, just like the liberal smear campaign against Trump.

    Also the Ori player is a filthy Dunning Kruger degenerate.

    linkmastr0016/30/2017, 1:32:54 PM1 votes

    I'm somewhere between Neutral and Negative on this one.

    The Morde never really went after anyone at first, and merely appeared to blame himself. Then he got into some bickering with Orianna after she started it, which isn't an excuse when someone on your team asks you to stop.

    Think I'd vote Neutral on this one.

    Northern Emperor6/30/2017, 4:47:47 PM1 votes

    I would say that Morde and Ori need to be punished. Lee maybe but he shut up really fast. Blitzcrank needs honors from everyone.

    Kairoptra7/3/2017, 5:20:37 AM1 votes

    I'll concede that he should've just ignored the Ori, but there really wasn't anything that screamed toxicity. He was a bit out of line, but not enough for me to want to penalize him. Neutral from me.

    OnlyYouCanHearMe7/4/2017, 2:37:49 AM1 votes

    This is a rather interesting set of logs. Objectively speaking, it's not a positive set of logs, but I'm not sure that I would consider them to be negative either. There are a few comments that are sarcastic, but it might be asking a bit too much of people to expect them to never use any form of sarcasm, especially when they are being insulted by multiple teammates. Is resorting to sarcasm the "best" response? No. But the level of sarcasm used in these logs is so mild, that had I been playing in the match with him I would not have reported him for it.

    Thinking about them, and reading through them a few times, I would put them as neutral. He's being insulted, but he doesn't really make a point of trying to "return fire" to his teammates. Most of the comments he makes, to me, come across as him repeating their own words, but doing so in a manner that is almost absurd. I literally laughed outloud at his comment about Orianna not being good in the midlane. I don't for one moment believe that was intended as a serious comment. It's so ridiculous, as is his comment about hourglass, that the only conclusion I can draw is that he is responding to flaming/insults with a joking/sarcastic comment.

    One the main things that is encouraged here on the Boards, and in League in general, is for players to respond to negative behavior with a positive attitude. And while his execution may not have been perfect, Mordekaiser does appear to have been trying to do just that: using their exact words and/or ridiculous capitalization in jest when addressing the flamers, and then keeping his other comments strictly related to the game. The only reason that I would still have to put these as neutral is that it may not look the same to everyone. To some people, it may look as though he's snarking back at this teammates and just trying to be a jerk. So, that would be where I said he loses some points in the execution, and why I put this as a neutral.

    All I can say, is based on these logs, I would be willing to play with him myself. I don't see anything in them that made me think "Man, I'm glad I've never seen that one."

    Friendly Ram7/4/2017, 4:31:12 AM1 votes

    I'd say neutral borderin on positive. He kept communicating with the team and really only used satcasam to deal with the ori.