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The people who cause the problems are always the ones to first point the 'toxic' finger

Hibeki··3 votes·1,332 views

Toxicity has been given too much credit as an excuse.

I'm not really a toxic person unless people ask for it. I point out flaws and how to fix them, but i dont call people names until the last straw.

Saying "Hey I am getting camped top, can you do something about it" is not toxic

Later saying "Ok, if you aren't going to gank top can you counterjungle the enemy team or gank another lane" is not toxic

When you still have done nothing, saying "Can you do literally anything other than be afk in fountain" is not toxic.

This is just an example, but that guy is the first to immediately scream that you are toxic as an excuse for their poor play. When they play poorly, and you give them advice, and they dont change, then continue to play poorly despite knowing what to do, the burden is on them. You have the right to be upset about them.

This doesnt mean you need to tell them that their mom is a whore, but riot has seriously given the 'toxic' excuse too much credibility.

12 Comments

Chermorg4 votes

See, you are being toxic by doing that. You're constantly blaming them, being negative towards them, and being passive aggressive.

No, asking for a Gank isn't toxic. Doing it in a jerk way is.

Hibeki2 votes

I disagree, you knowingly go into a competitive environment and therefore have expectations to reach. The toxic behavior is not in reasonable negative feedback, its the reaction to the negative feedback.

Its not blame, rather than addressing the problem directly since they cannot do so themselves. Then when they don't, you get justifiably irritated.

League is unique in that any sort of negative feedback is met with 'ree', any sort of team environment AT ALL is the opposite of what we have here. Youre trying to cut off the guy reacting to the negative player expecting the result to change. You're putting masking tape over a bigger issue, because they are going to continue to be like this and provoke another player, and another, and another.

You know that flamers are usually the best players. Im talking the 'aggressors', not the ones getting negative feedback then flaming people for it. They ADDRESS the problems. I'd 100% rather have a full team of flamers and win most games than the snowflakes and lose, because ultimately, at the end the mute problem solves one, while nothing solves the other.

Ekitaih1 votes

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I disagree, you knowingly go into a competitive environment and therefore have expectations to reach. The toxic behavior is not in reasonable negative feedback, its the reaction to the negative feedback.

Its not blame, rather than addressing the problem directly since they cannot do so themselves. Then when they don't, you get justifiably irritated.

League is unique in that any sort of negative feedback is met with 'ree', any sort of team environment AT ALL is the opposite of what we have here. Youre trying to cut off the guy reacting to the negative player expecting the result to change. You're putting masking tape over a bigger issue, because they are going to continue to be like this and provoke another player, and another, and another.

Hence the reason for the report option. There's only so many times that said person can be toxic before he/she reaches a ban. Not everyone is always going to be playing well. Sure, offering suggestions may not be toxic, but escalating an argument is. If you see that someone isn't going to take your constructive criticism well, then leave it. At a certain point, you're intentionally antagonizing them thus creating a toxic environment.

Hibeki1 votes

Reports mean nothing since its all automated now. Unless you say a blacklisted word you can pretty much do damn near anything and not get punished for it.

DearPear2 votes

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Reports mean nothing since its all automated now. Unless you say a blacklisted word you can pretty much do damn near anything and not get punished for it.

The system may be automated, it still waits for at least one report to become active and analyze one's behavior.

Hibeki1 votes

Really, is that why since im apparently a toxic player in everyones eyes, despite being the exact same the only time ive been punished in two years was an automated immediate post game ban for a blacklisted word?

Hibeki1 votes

Also the types of players who play league are not different than who play other games, yet Overwatch and League of Legends are apparently the only ones with a huge 'toxicity' problem.

Hmm... I wonder why?

Ekitaih3 votes

Yea, I think the first two comments are not toxic. However, I think the last comment is. I disagree though. Seeing some of the garbage that I see in chat can really get me annoyed and people tend to play worse when they aren't relaxed/comfortable/"In the zone." Toxicity can easily affect the affect the way a player plays. I love the mute button because when I start playing poorly, I'd rather not see people spam pinging me or flaming me. It doesn't make that person play better.

DearPear3 votes

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Saying "Hey I am getting camped top, can you do something about it" is not toxic

That I agree, it is not toxic.

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Later saying "Ok, if you aren't going to gank top can you counterjungle the enemy team or gank another lane" is not toxic

That I disagree, it is toxic.

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"Can you do literally anything other than be afk in fountain" is not toxic.

It is even more toxic than the previous sentence.

In all seriousness now, who do you think you are to actively judge your allies and tell them what to do? Should I remind you that you have the same MMR they do and so the same presumed level?

Hibeki2 votes

How is the second statement even remotely toxic. The player is choosing not to follow solution to a problem, so they are being told another.

OniZetsu6661 votes

Reminds me of my last game where I merely SUGGESTED that our support didnt play annie because well...annie isnt doing too well as a support right now. Now mind you I am a support main trying to learn jungle. My friend who is a jungle main suggested eve for my playstyle. This is about my third game with her in norms. I get counter jungled and my blue and my wolves taken. So I am behind and I cant gank properly. Yay. Team starts messing with me "Thank god we dont have an annie support though right guys" "This guy just talks shit and doesnt do shit"....like what? I suggested that the support doesnt play annie? so i die to vi..." Report our jungler for flaming in champ select and tilting the team".............WHAT then they continue to bash me every chance they get instead of actually playing the game. I died to a 2vs1 because no one let me know that lux was loose in my jungle with vi. "Lol our eve is inting"....we all agreed to surrender at 15...I was scared that one of them was gonna say no because then the blame would have been put on me probably... not the first time but still thats all i needed that match. Funny thing is...our mid was on a loosing streak when i checked his profile... gee I wonder if he was already tilted and pushed his agression on me? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I went with my good nature and didnt report them though the more I think about it the more I feel like I should have.

5050BS1 votes

Yep

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