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The problem with LoL

Cërberus·8/15/2018, 5:44:46 PM·4 votes·2,973 views

I'm just going to air something out here, I'm leaving league of awhile. Not that Riot cares, not that any of you do but I just wanted to post something that I think is the biggest problem with league and the reason why I'm leaving the game.

The problem is the punishment system, it doesn't really make any sense at all. I understand Riot wants clean and fun games, and doesn't want it to play out like someone just stole someones toy at a daycare center. But they only monitor this by chat logs and what a player says, it seems they care more about the words someone types out then they care about the actions others do. Which I was always raised to know that actions have more meaning than words, because people get frustrated and say things they don't mean all the time.

I've played plenty of games where I had an ally/enemy champion get repeatedly ganked, or camped, or denied entire waves of cs, and its frustrating. People rage type all the time, but more often than not in those games the players getting annoyed and rage typing don't stop trying. They might be angry, and cussing at whoever but they keep playing. More often than not, they aren't inting, or they arn't trying to they are just having a really bad game. And here's the thing, the mute button is there for a reason. If someone decided to call me a " Yellow-belly shit-can, cow eater" I can tell what kind of player they are going to be. I can mute them if what they are saying is getting to me.

The idea that you can be permanently banned for "flaming" or cussing at someone is kind of ridiculous to me. There are far worse offenses in any game than cussing at someone. People who could have spent hundreds of dollars on skins or champions, can have their account removed because they are raging, they arn't having a good day, they are tilted from games ago. To me this doesn't mean they don't care about the game. Someone who runs it down mid over and over doesn't care about the game.

Whats even worse is that some players try and insight this rage in others. They will camp their lanes, or ban allied specific champions. I know if I'm duoing with someone, the goal is to try and tilt the lane opponent, and yeah they rage a lot. But I don't report them for it, because that was my goal to begin with. Its insane that someone can get perma banned for this.

If I were you riot, I would introduce a cool down system. Something that can look at the chat logs, like they have now. But force a player to wait a set amount of time before they can re-queue ranked games. Push for players to mute other players whose /all chat typing, or whos flaming a teammate is a bit excessive. Permabans should be for people intentionally ruining the game for others and there isnt anything those other players can do about it. Permabans should be for running it down mid, for Ddosing games, hacking accounts, boosting, win trading. Permabans shouldn't be for something that other players can fix simply by hitting the mute button.

To make matters worse, sometimes friendly banter can be misconstrued and players can be punished for just joking around because someone else doesn't understand that. It's happened. It happened to me. The enemy Tf and I were insulting each other all game but we both knew that it was banter(he even added me afterwards and we played some games together), the enemy bot lane didn't understand that and reported me for it. I had chat restrict for something that had nothing to do with them. All they had to do was hit mute.

That's just my two cents, take it or leave it. Love it or hate it but I had to say something. I completely disagree with how the ban system works.

25 Comments

ModPeriscope8/15/2018, 5:55:17 PM2 votes

I'm sorry you feel that way about the punishment system. I will say that I hadn't seen chat logs here that involve a punishment and contain only banter. Friendly banter is fine in most cases, I think.

If I were you riot, I would introduce a cool down system.

To my knowledge, Riot is not interested in developing systems to keep players that are toxic or eventually permanently banned. That responsibility of waiting to re-queue and muting lies entirely with the individual player. So I don't think it's Riot's fault when someone opts to continue to be toxic instead of reforming.

Subdue8/15/2018, 6:38:49 PM2 votes

First of all, let's redefine what gets penalized here. You don't get penalized for saying something someone "disagrees" with. You don't get penalized because you say "let's take Baron" and your team says "Let's go up mid." That's disagreement. What you get penalized for is the verbal abuse and harassment of other players.

Second of all, muting happens after the victim has already been harassed and verbally abused. It prevents further offenses, but does not prevent the harassment or the abuse which has already occurred.

Third, From the classroom, to the office, to the court, and everywhere in between, the nature of harassment is determined by how it's received, not how it's intended. Players should be mindful of the how their words can be received. And let's not kid ourselves here, the bar is pretty damn low as it is for what counts as acceptable.

Subdue8/15/2018, 6:03:43 PM1 votes

Things that fall under Riot's responsibility:

  1. Making the game enjoyable.
  2. Making the game fair and balanced.
  3. Making the game clean and safe.

Things that fall under Player's responsibility:

  1. Not being an asshole.

I for one think the punishment system is way too lenient. It takes literally 0 effort to never be penalized. You don't have to be polite. You don't have to say please and thank you. You don't have to congratulate your teammates or offer words of empathy. You don't have to exhibit any kind of positivity at all. The only requirement is that you you keep your negativity out of the game. Yell at the screen, squeeze a stress ball, punch a pillow, but keep it out of the game. And yet it takes way too many verified true reports before someone gets penalized, and even then, they get not one, not two, but THREE chances before being permanently ejected from the game, and even then "permanently" is not even really permanent as you're still allowed to create a new account.

FukWithfluffy8/15/2018, 6:28:47 PM1 votes

had a comment guess it was mean and people didn't like it sorry? i stand by my opinion but if its that offensive i will remove it i do agree there ban hammer needs reworked and that the jungle troll should be prema ban and they need a way to detect players like that but being upset someone is camping you is to far maybe if you don't like that you should maybe play jungle? ward? buy control wards watch a vid of someone teaching you how to control waves and last hitting has more then one meaning.

Cërberus8/17/2018, 2:18:34 PM1 votes

I think it's pretty much always going to be an agree to disagree type thing, and Riot has made their stance on this very clear. But people like VGD(who I dont even like) have brought up great points on this same subject. I just this it's dumb that anyone can get permabanned for free speech.

Clockwork Mouse8/15/2018, 5:52:32 PM1 votes

I think this has an underling issues that people are just afraid to say things at all. Weather it is true or not, there is this air around Riot and their ban hammer that is kind of oppressive in the eye of the general audience.

FukWithfluffy8/15/2018, 5:52:26 PM1 votes

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ModPrandine8/15/2018, 6:44:18 PM

(Cross-posting from my post in another thread).

Here's the thing though: Chat is meant to be used as a tool for helpful communication with others. When a person (let's call them Jack) uses that tool to verbally abuse and harass others it causes a breakdown in communication and gameplay. How? Because Jack is now more interested in typing out insults and flame than he is actually playing the game, essentially forcing his team to play at a one-man disadvantage, which in turn makes it more difficult for his team to actually win the game. Yes Jacks teammates can just mute or ignore him, and maybe that will get Jack to refocus his efforts on the actual game itself, but it doesn't change the fact that he forced that decision onto his teammates in the first place with his actions.

The chat restrictions are meant to convey the fact that chat is not meant to be used as a tool to abuse, threaten or harass others. If Jack decides to ignore those warnings then he gets hit with one final warning in the form an actual time ban from the game, warning him that continued poor behavior will result in a permanent ban from the game. If he ignores that warning as well, then he's proven that he has no intention or interest in behaving properly and thus is no longer a customer Riot wants, hence the permaban.

Now before you say "oh just permamute him", that's not a be-all end-all solution as Jack can just easily resort to gameplay trolling and/or intentional feeding to harass his teammates, things that are harder to detect and prove intent for than simple chat related offenses. Many players did this when Riot tried permamutes in the form of infinitely scaling chat restrictions, and it's exactly why we have the current 4 strike system in place today. From Riot Tantram:

It really breaks down into two categories.

1.) Helping players reform 2.) Shielding others from the behavior, at a cost.

We used to issue chat restrictions that essentially scaled indefinitely.

We were able to determine that after a certain point the penalty no longer helped with reform. The 10-game and 25-game counts for chat restrictions are based on data that they were both light enough, and felt strict enough to encourage people to understand their behavior is unacceptable in game and change it.

We also saw that the players in this 'large restriction' category defaulted to gameplay altering means of harassing their team. It caused an increase in feeding and trolling.

The sample size of this population and time frame is huge. Essentially the time spanning from the introduction of chat restrictions to the introduction of IFS.

So my question for you is, would you rather have more feeders and less negative chat?

It's pretty clear: if someone isn't gonna behave properly despite being given multiple chances to do so then why shouldn't they be removed from the game?

Finally before you say "oh just permaban them when they're caught trolling" that's not the issue here: the issue is players like Jack intentionally misusing tools in order to abuse and harass other players. Neither Riot nor the community as a whole want the Jacks to just swap between different methods of abuse, they just want the Jacks to be removed if they refuse to learn their lessons from the multiple warnings they're given.

P.S. Trolls and inters do get banned but because they're getting smarter about how they avoid detection (and because Riot wants to try to avoid punishing innocent players as much as possible) it's harder to catch them in the act compared to simple chat-related offenses. Gameplay related offenses when proven to be on purpose are assigned a 2-week ban as the first punishment. In case you don’t believe me on this point here are a couple examples of gameplay trolls being banned. Yes it’s just a few examples, but it proves that they do get punished.