this to me explains why banning inters is actually a hard thing

Arammus·8/22/2018, 12:52:17 PM·11 votes·6,965 views
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you'd think morg was inting right? no not at all. this is low elo so her going alone 24/7 and not warding at all is normal. she just got caught all the time. but she wasnt inting. even tho it looks like she was. what about twitch? this was a 57minute game and compared to the time, he has almost 0 farm. does that count as trolling or assisting the enemys? i dont think so. the fact that he bought ie at 54min is trolling IMO but isnt in riots eyes.

fun fact: morg said "just wait i carry you noobs youll see" and twitch called the team useless 24/7.

i got no feedback message sadly. and im too lazy to stalk their profiles so i cant say if they got punished or not.

21 Comments

ModPeriscope8/22/2018, 1:00:07 PM5 votes

I think we can all find a pretty similar match history. Mine had an 0/8/1 Garen.

disregardable8/22/2018, 3:17:01 PM3 votes

I pretty regularly go 0/6+ or 1/6+

when I fall behind, I just do not come back anymore. farming literally isn't good enough to come back anymore, people die too much in this meta.

PurpleYukari8/22/2018, 4:19:19 PM3 votes

First of all, lets clarify that this is a hard problem to fully automate. This is because at its core, banning intentional feeding is basically giving a game as input and trying to tease out intent, whether someone was playing badly to grief the team or not. Also, the cost of a false positive is high, as it means banning innocent players who happened to play badly and alienating them from the game. Also, there are some people who try to skirt the system to try to avoid a ban while griefing their team. Keep in mind that there are tons of games, so looking at all of them manually is not feasable, and having the community help like the old tribunal comes with its own challenges.

I don't think your game is a good representative example of the challenge that riot faces. All it seems to establish is that K/D/A alone is not a good heuristic. But there is much more data that riot can use when crafting their heuristic. Some of this is exposed at the end of game stats screen, like damage to champions.

Another part of the issue is that reports can't be fully trusted, as some people don't have a clear distinction in their minds between inting and poor play, or think that poor play should be reported and banned, etc.

To skirt around the problem of banning the innocent, I suspect that riot flags some accounts for an immediate ban (if they are too obvious) and some for manual review if they are reported and meet a specific heuristic. This allows them to automate some of the process, while preventing false positives by looking manually at the less clear cut cases.

Resolution8/22/2018, 5:06:46 PM2 votes

Personally, I think if anyone has 15+ deaths - It should be an instaflag.

You honestly have to run it down lane every life to hit that high.

Int Like Rickon8/22/2018, 2:49:01 PM2 votes

Autofilled jngle, got behind as shaco. 0/8

C0l0urless8/22/2018, 3:15:12 PM2 votes

An inter would have had much less kill participation and the player being bad stops being a good excuse in higher ranks.

Ayzev8/22/2018, 8:41:41 PM2 votes

21 assists, 0 farm and bad item build order are not inting. It is very clear here that they simply played badly.

Maybe you do have a point, but this isn't a very good example.

TheCodeisCupCake8/22/2018, 10:18:41 PM2 votes

Feel like it should be easier to ban inters in high elo rather than low. For example that Morgana in bronze to gold (maybe even plat) is fine. Diamond and higher would be considered inting.

SGT Reckless8/22/2018, 7:18:40 PM1 votes

I've had games where I had a really horrible score. I wasn't trying to feed, quite the opposite, but I couldn't help getting camped. Stay under turret? Sure, works great when the laner and jungler can easily tower dive and kill me before the turret can kill them. Something like her score, I'd have to see the game to know if it was reportable.... But it sure sounds like it

SaberRattler8/23/2018, 4:22:17 PM1 votes

But that's the point. Riot's threshold is "reasonable doubt" not "absolutely no doubt" when they review accounts. It's not based on one match alone because chances are that if someone is inting, they will have done so for more than one game and will probably have excessive pings playback record or typed something. They look at all your chat: pre-match lobby, match, and post-match lobby. They look at the heat map, proximity stats, etc...

As there's some discretion on the part of Riot, it's more case by case when things aren't clearly defined. That's how I got someone who was level 137 permabanned for being playing passively on ARAM. It was beyond a "reasonable doubt" that they were doing so, despite their decent KDA. The trigger isn't "100% absolutely no doubt."

wuebann8/25/2018, 1:25:43 AM1 votes

i feel she was just feeding a lot and no matter what you do is her fault, i do no understant why is theree people like that anyway loveAshe

ForFoxSakes8/22/2018, 4:43:04 PM1 votes

They can look at more than just KDA score. It's pretty obvious when their logs just show someone coming from fountain then taking turret damage to die again, or rez to die in 6 seconds from the enemy champ while doing nothing in return over and over, or watching to see that they're walking back and forth while the enemy is just free hitting them

mlm olo mlm8/22/2018, 5:31:56 PM1 votes

so her going alone 24/7 and not warding at all is normal.

AKA intentional feeder.

By the way, I hate your entire argument. 21 deaths in a 57 minute game is not even close. I see people getting away with a death per minute. You aren't even at 2 deaths per minute.