Is League dying? My view

afmghost··5 votes·2,551 views

So many people are declaring that league is dying, dead, resurrected, and is as strong as ever. With so many claims made all over the place and different definitions of what "dying" means, it can be confusing to decide where it stands. Here's my two cents worth on the matter. Don't spend it all in one place. League came out in October of 2009. It's nearly nine years old, and has been through quite a lot. Before we get down to business, the only modern online game that I can think of that did that well would be Team Fortress 2. Props to both Valve and Riot for making their games last a long time.

Now, finally, to business. The first thing I want to bring up is that many of these claims are backed up with the release of one new online game (Fortnite being a recent one). This is not true. There have been many online multiplayer games that have been released since 2009 (I mean many. The industry is strong). If one release could kill League, it would have died a long time ago. Has League stood the test of time? Yes. While I already said that a couple paragraphs ago, it is worth bringing up again. Keep it on the back burner. Has a recent update killed it? This one is iffy. Obviously, with such a vast amount of players (and playstyles to match), any update will leave somebody unhappy. Some people do drastic things, including quitting when an update butchers a favorite champion or item for them. With that in mind, many of Riot's updates do seem to be changes for the sake of changes. Jungle XP, rift scuttlers, infinity edge, and the tower nerfs are the recent updates many of us do not like. It wasn't broken, but they tried to fix it. Some of us left, but not enough to kill the game. And there's also the community. Toxicity reigns as the community debates on what's trolling, what isn't, and what is reportable. It is likely that a good number of people see toxicity and decide to quit over it. As important as the issue is, it probably isn't enough to kill league. VideoGameDunkey. He was one of (if not the) greatest league YouTubers back in the day. Now, whenever he brings up League, he slams it. Many other league YouTubers quit when he did, so it did a lot of damage to league. However, this was a couple years ago. Most of the damage is done already.

While it is important to dismiss a lot of those arguments, the one thing that matters is the queue time. So many players (myself included) have noticed queue times that are extending as the days go by. Numbers never lie, so that means that there are fewer players online at any given time. While the factors above may be adding up to something, it probably isn't enough to make the quitting rate higher than the joining rate. But something has to explain the queue timers... Remember how I asked you to keep the game's age on the back burner? I bet you forgot! Anyway, I have noticed that other old online games at (particularly GTA Online and StarCraft 2) are hurting. It is tough to find well populated lobbies anymore in GTA, and in SC, the arcade isn't as active. Those games have less to offer than League, and time is catching up to them. League, like I said has done well to stay ahead of its age, but the queue timers prove that isn't going to last forever. The fall is gradual, but it is quite there. I estimate 3-5 years before it really starts to fall.

If you can read this, you don't need glasses (sorry, I had to close with something funny).

26 Comments

Chermorg7 votes

To be quite honest, I'll upvote because you're logical.

I'll also comment and refute your claims queue times have increased. I have had consistent queue times in the 2 minute range on the high end since I started playing (sometime in like season 2ish, maybe preseason 3). I have not ever noticed them getting higher, and in fact have noticed that the amount of times I have to wait 2 minutes has gone down over the years (but there's still a rare time when I do).

afmghost2 votes

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To be quite honest, I'll upvote because you're logical.

I'll also comment and refute your claims queue times have increased. I have had consistent queue times in the 2 minute range on the high end since I started playing (sometime in like season 2ish, maybe preseason 3). I have not ever noticed them getting higher, and in fact have noticed that the amount of times I have to wait 2 minutes has gone down over the years (but there's still a rare time when I do).

More people are bringing it up, so it might be an issue. I'm sure the time of day could be a factor, as could just plain ol luck. That said, it may not be relevant to all of us, but cannot be ignored.

Chermorg4 votes

I think it's important to consider that it's very possible that the apparent increase of "bringing it up" is there.

  1. It could be people thinking it's being brought up more because they think it's a problem thus they're wanting to see it brought up more thus they think it's brought up more when it's not.

  2. People want it brought up more so they see it brought up more, even when they aren't even seeing it brought up really to begin with (similar to 1).

  3. It is being brought up more because more players are using the boards/reddit/whatever site you're viewing.

  4. It is being brought up more because there are simply more players in League.

  5. It is being brought up more because many more players are looking for something to complain about.

  6. It is being brought up more because of the new ranked changes and how people worry those may affect queue times (or any other issue)

etc. etc.

There's tons of reasons that it may seem to be brought up more even if it truly isn't a problem.

afmghost2 votes

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True. I just don't like pigeonholing issues. Although 4 makes no sense. Why would more players cripple the search time? If anything, it would make a match easier to assemble because there's more people likely to be searching for one at any given time.

Chermorg2 votes

No no - I'm not suggesting reasons for the queue increase. I'm suggesting reasons it may appear to be a queue increase even if it's not.

If there's more players, there's more people who may post about problems. If X% of the population at any time thinks it's a problem, even if it's not actually a problem, then by increasing the population, X% of the population will also increase - making it look like more people think it's a problem even if the same percent or even less do, just because the size of the population has increased.

afmghost3 votes

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No no - I'm not suggesting reasons for the queue increase. I'm suggesting reasons it may appear to be a queue increase even if it's not.

If there's more players, there's more people who may post about problems. If X% of the population at any time thinks it's a problem, even if it's not actually a problem, then by increasing the population, X% of the population will also increase - making it look like more people think it's a problem even if the same percent or even less do, just because the size of the population has increased.

Ok that makes sense. If I may add to that list: people who are climbing. The better your rank, the less people you have in your elo. I mean millions of us are in bronze, maybe a couple thousand are in diamond. Bronze games assemble fairly quickly (though it adds up with 20 consecutive dodges), but I would imagine a diamond player would spend more time in queue than in game.

Jamaree2 votes

Dying, technically, it has past its peak of being the most played game on the planet and it is unlikely to continue drawing in players, but like WoW, the game that has been dying since like 2008, that doesn't mean all that much.

afmghost2 votes

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Dying, technically, it has past its peak of being the most played game on the planet and it is unlikely to continue drawing in players, but like WoW, the game that has been dying since like 2008, that doesn't mean all that much.

Feels more like a wane to me.

Jamaree2 votes

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Feels more like a want to me.

That said, if the game dies, let it, no amount of kicking and screaming will save it, Riot will do what it sees best, whether or not it is is up to the community to decide if they want it or not.

afmghost1 votes

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That said, if the game dies, let it, no amount of kicking and screaming will save it, Riot will do what it sees best, whether or not it is is up to the community to decide if they want it or not.

Honestly, I'm trying to quit myself, I'm just addicted. That said, I'd rather play a game because I enjoy it, not because I'm addicted to it.

Dragfin1 votes

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Dying, technically, it has past its peak of being the most played game on the planet and it is unlikely to continue drawing in players, but like WoW, the game that has been dying since like 2008, that doesn't mean all that much.

Hardly. Do a bit of simple research and you will find the only game being played more right now is Fortnite and that's new so it's really no surprise.

Jamaree1 votes

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Hardly. Do a bit of simple research and you will find the only game being played more right now is Fortnite and that's new so it's really no surprise.

I know that, doesn't change what I said.

Dragfin1 votes

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I know that, doesn't change what I said.

If it's number 2 with all the games out there it has hardly hit it's peak. If Fortnite didn't come out it would be number 1. My guess is after another mind numbing basically FPS runs it's course League will be back to number 1, so yes it does change what you said.

Jamaree1 votes

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If it's number 2 with all the games out there it has hardly hit it's peak. If Fortnite didn't come out it would be number 1. My guess is after another mind numbing basically FPS runs it's course League will be back to number 1, so yes it does change what you said.

My point is that a game like WoW has been dying forever and still the most played MMORPG on the planet, the same thing is being said about LoL yet continues to be the most played MOBA.

Dragfin1 votes

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My point is that a game like WoW has been dying forever and still the most played MMORPG on the planet, the same thing is being said about LoL yet continues to be the most played MOBA.

No, it's the number two played game in the world. That's any genre. Your statement would only make sense if it was only the MOBA category but it's not.

afmghost1 votes

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If it's number 2 with all the games out there it has hardly hit it's peak. If Fortnite didn't come out it would be number 1. My guess is after another mind numbing basically FPS runs it's course League will be back to number 1, so yes it does change what you said.

Are you referring to the number of streamers playing the games on Twitch? I won't say league is dying just because it sometimes loses its first place slot. Like I said earlier, gaming is a vast industry.

Dragfin1 votes

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Are you referring to the number of streamers playing the games on Twitch? I won't say league is dying just because it sometimes loses its first place slot. Like I said earlier, gaming is a vast industry.

Like I said, some simple research...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFcaIAwce0

This is pretty current.

PrismalDawn2 votes

If you can read this, you don't need glasses (sorry, I had to close with something funny).

Keep trying

afmghost1 votes

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Keep trying

If you got something better let's hear it.

PrismalDawn2 votes

This entire post

afmghost2 votes

Side note: you know you're nuts when you're unable to sleep so you post these essays in the boards.

afmghost1 votes

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Three guesses who downvoted 😜

TheMinionLeader2 votes

Haha bro, I don't wanna talk about it. I really don't wanna admit (even to myself) that the root of toxicity may come from the authority figures. I think its best if we just stay far away from the boards. We both have exceptionally high honor in game and we should just talk and chill there my friend. These are dark times, but we gunna make it thro.

afmghost1 votes

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Haha bro, I don't wanna talk about it. I really don't wanna admit (even to myself) that the root of toxicity may come from the authority figures. I think its best if we just stay far away from the boards. We both have exceptionally high honor in game and we should just talk and chill there my friend. These are dark times, but we gunna make it thro.

I think I should stay at memes and games. I sometimes write parody news articles about riot.

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