Has anyone else noticed the sudden surge in people first-timing their champions in ranked?

Tarkavor·11/7/2018, 7:36:21 PM·4 votes·4,002 views

I look up my team's stats every game on Porofessor so as to get a handle on people's expected performance. Lately (like the past week) there's been WAY too many people either first-timing their champion (i.e. 0 games played in ranked with no mastery) or with very few games played (1-2) and they almost always end up being the weakest link(s) on our team. Even if they have other champions that they have like 500 games as, with a 70% winrate. It's been getting really frustrating. This is in silver 4-2 elo, by the way. I was just wondering what the heck is going on because a lot of people are obviously in a rush to get to gold and it's kind of selfish for them to be doing stuff like this so near the end of the season. Yes, I realize some people might have given up but I really don't understand why it matters because it's still very possible to climb from silver 2 or 1...

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Néékö11/7/2018, 7:42:24 PM3 votes

Recent surge... [sg-lulu] I've seen 1mil mastery player go 0/10. Sometimes it's just the matchup.

ı Sona ı11/7/2018, 7:47:01 PM2 votes

Surge? No. And "first time" might not be first time, if an account was banned and they made a new one.

Silent Gravity11/7/2018, 11:54:37 PM2 votes

Other people playing poorly will always increase your winrate, as long as you don't engage in or motivate those on your team to engage in that specific poor behavior.

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This is from a thread with a similar complaint about the difficulty of ranking up due to interference from inters and bad players.

The math holds true for any set of assumptions, but if you'd like specific numbers put in I can do that for you.

Just tell me what you want your base win rate to be, the winrate of a team with a first timer, and the sample sizes desired.

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The matchmaking system relies on MMR.

The following uses the term "inter" but you can substitute AFKer, feeder (unintentional), high/drunk, bad at teamfights, bad at peeling, bad at counter jungling, tank focuser, or any

There are X inters at your MMR, and Y total players, then the probability of any slot being filled with an inter is X/Y.

Since you are never an inter, there are 4 slots on your team that can be inters, and 5 slots on the opponents team that can be inters.

Imagine 900 games with inters. Approximately 400 would have the inter on your team, and approximately 500 would have the inter on the other team. The outcome of those games will be heavily in favor of the team without the inter. I'm going to use a 99% winrate for the team without the inter. Other numbers can be substituted as you wish.

The number of games without inters has no effect of the outcome of these games. If it was 1 natural game (at 50% winrate assuming that you are at the exact average skill level for your MMR) and 900 games with interference from inters your expected outcome would be:

.5 wins from the 1 natural game (50% of 1) 4 wins from the inter being on your team (1% of 400) 495 wins from the inter being on the other team (99% of 500)

.5 losses from the 1 natural game (50% of 1) 396 losses from the inter being on your team (99% of 400) 5 losses from the inter being on the other team (1% of 500)

499.5 wins and 401.5 losses from 901 games. 55.4384% winrate

Again, but now with 9100 natural games (at 50% winrate assuming that you are at the exact average skill level for your MMR)

4550 wins from the 9100 natural games (50% of 9100) 4 wins from the inter being on your team (1% of 400) 495 wins from the inter being on the other team (99% of 500)

4550 losses from the 9100 natural games (50% of 9100) 396 losses from the inter being on your team (99% of 400) 5 losses from the inter being on the other team (1% of 500)

5049 wins and 4951 losses from 10000 games. 50.4900% winrate.

The winrate dropped by almost 5% when the inter games were less common (given the assumption of a 50% winrate for natural games).

If your natural winrate at the MMR you are currently at is less than 55.4444%, then inters existing in your games increases your winrate. If your natural winrate at the MMR you are currently at is more than 55.4444%, then inters existing in your games decreases your winrate, but at that winrate you'll rank up fairly quickly anyway.


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First: Inters are shitty to deal with. Second: I'm going to focus on this comment:

Mathematically, inters make it easier to rank up, as long as you contribute more to a team's chance of winning than an inter.

There are 4 slots on your team and 5 on the opponent's team that can be filled with inters. That means that 44.44% of inters are on your team and 55.56% of inters are on your opponent's team. (unless you contribute more than average to motivating people to int)

You're gold, so imagine that the matchmaker malfunctioned and Bronze 5's started getting matched in your ranked games. 4 slots on your team, 5 slots on the opponents. They get more bronzes than you. Your winrate should increase during the malfunction.

Again, you're gold, so imagine that the matchmaker malfunctioned and Masters started getting matched in your ranked games. 4 slots on your team, 5 slots on the opponents. They get more Masters than you. Your winrate should decrease during the malfunction.

This function holds true for every facet of league.

Being matched with:

People who ward better than you decrease your winrate. People who ward worse increase your winrate. People who read the patchnotes decrease your winrate. People who don't read increase your winrate. People who team fight better than you decrease your winrate. People who fight poorly increase your winrate. ect.

This describes how people rank up when they're better than the average of the pool they're drawn from, and it also describes why they stop ranking up when they reach their skill level.

rujitra11/7/2018, 7:39:28 PM2 votes
  1. How do you prevent this when there is no reliable way to tell if it's someone's first time? Custom games don't even show up in match history (or on op.gg), nor do they accrue champion mastery.

  2. Why should people be subject to a rule in Ranked that isn't in normals?

Porodox11/14/2018, 2:42:38 AM1 votes

I did something like this just to get the poro icon. I.e. bashing my head against the wall and just 'trying' for wins. Sorry.

Faneseeker11/7/2018, 8:16:55 PM1 votes

nope, but this close to season end I'm guessing enough people just stopped caring.

ModThe Djinn11/7/2018, 9:05:14 PM1 votes

This season you get a lot of people (including me, frankly) who are jumping into ranked, so the very few games played in ranked makes sense. Some do well and others don't, and the ones who don't stick out the most. You also get people who just want to play champions they enjoy, because they may have decided they're okay with their current placement and, while they may still play to win, they may not play so much to win that they only pick their best champions.

Sett a trap11/8/2018, 6:13:21 PM1 votes

Yeah it’s boosters...got fucking destroyed by this support main that went like 20-0 as a jgler they played for the first time...it’s pretty fucking obvious