PSA: Retaliation

Pie Cubed·Apr 20, 2017·4 votes·511 views

For those of you wondering why you got banned for repeating or talking back to your "offenders," read this. Please.

Take this scenario: Someone robs you. You get hurt, but you try and fight back. Maybe push them away, get your stuff back. Nothing wrong with that.

But it turns into you being the criminal rather than the victim as soon as you think you have the right to kick them down, injure them severely, and rob them back. Pushing someone away to get them to stop or something is fine, but when you push it far enough to try and just do what you wanted them banned for, that's bad.

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VerxintApr 20, 20172 votes

The difference between self-defense in the real world and "self-defense" in a League of Legends match is that in the real world, there isn't a magic button you can press to prevent their fist from impacting your face. In League, there is a mute button if you don't want to read what someone is typing.

NakedGrannyApr 20, 20172 votes

If only muting someone meant you didn't have to suffer through a miserable half hour of your life as they intentionally feed, steal your money or tell the enemy team where you are or deliberately refuse to help during fights.

There is no justice in League. Riot doesn't punish anyone for anything that actually makes the experience unenjoyable.

Their bots just auto-punish you for saying a four-letter word, regardless of why or whether it's actually wrong to say "fuck". Because intentionally feeding, spamming pings or aiding the enemy team just out of spite are fine. Saying "fuck" means you need to get chat-restricted and your precious precious loot boxes taken away.

And we can all just ignore the major elephant in the room with the matchmaker putting level 28 noobs with seven year veterans...

I wonder where all the toxicity comes from... What could possibly be causing people to have a bad time after finding out they're stuck in a half hour match waiting to spawn at the fountain?

And after we get through discussing those two glaring issues, we can talk about why Riot thinks it's ok to relegate supports to being "the ward bitch". No fun allowed for supports, no money, no actual contribution to the team or gameplay that feels good for the support player. Just wards. You get to ward and that's it. And sometimes maybe heal someone outside of combat if you're Soraka because your measly heal is negligible in-combat when Darius is hitting you for 1k while building full tank. No fun. Just wards. Everyone gets to have fun and impact the outcome of the match. Not the support.

KartagiaApr 20, 20171 votes

Muting is no self-defense as it leaves the flamer party free reign to talk rest of team to report you. And as Support Singed case proved, the punishment system has no human involved. Thus enough players report you, your reports become false reports. Nobody check it, or if they do, they say "the punishment was correct, as you already got it". Riot won't admit their punishment is ever wrong. That is against Riot policy.

Muting is not solution to the problem flaming person hurting team morale. Or flaming person getting rest of team to go intentional feeding, and then report together the "trolling player", who ruined their fun by not doing what he was told.

Summoner's code urge you to talk against flamer to remove negative impact on flaming, but Riot has said you cannot do that. You have to endure the game, and after game give Leap of Faith that Riot will ban the guy after 3 months. You lose MR and you lose LP. Riot does not give a frak, as flaming players with multiple accounts are more important to their business.

TrulyBlandApr 21, 20172 votes

Muting is no self-defense as it leaves the flamer party free reign to talk rest of team to report you.

Which has no effect on you.

as Support Singed case proved, the punishment system has no human involved.

You mean the support Singed that was manually banned by a human?

Thus enough players report you, your reports become false reports.

That's not how things work anymore... wait... Are you saying that being reported lowers your report value? Then nevermind. That's not how it ever worked.

Nobody check it, or if they do, they say "the punishment was correct, as you already got it". Riot won't admit their punishment is ever wrong. That is against Riot policy.

The plenty of cases where Riot reverted punishments beg to differ.

Now that we have the (frankly quite hilarious) first paragraph out of the way, let's cover the rest in a slightly more serious manner: Muting might not be a perfect solution... but honestly, flaming back is not a solution at all. It's actually most likely going to make things worse. And if you want to defend yourself in a civil manner without retaliating verbally? You can. I've not seen a single case of somebody being banned for that. It's pointless, but hey, at least it usually doesn't make things worse.

And last but not least: You don't need to defend yourself from other peoples' reports. This whole idea that you are going to get banned from false reports is laughable at best. Especially when you simultaneously claim it would take three months for the actual flamers to get punished.

Great MutaApr 20, 20171 votes

Someone robs you. You get hurt, but you try and fight back. Maybe push them away, get your stuff back. Nothing wrong with that.

That would actually be legal in most states.

But it turns into you being the criminal rather than the victim as soon as you think you have the right to kick them down, injure them severely, and rob them back. Pushing someone away to get them to stop or something is fine, but when you push it far enough to try and just do what you wanted them banned for, that's bad.

If I knocked out someone who tried to rob me, I'm pretty sure it would fall under self defense.

On the other hand, let's go into this example:

Someone threatens to kill you or burn your house down - In real life, the police would investigate that person and take the threat very seriously.

If someone threatens to you kill you or burn your house down in league of legends - Riot says play on!

Did you get the idea for this post from today's episode of Barney or Full House? Just curious.

Pie CubedApr 20, 20173 votes

I don't watch either of the shows nor do I live in the States. But self-defence is one thing, turning it into you being an assailant is another.

Edit: with regards to your first point, I was not being sarcastic when I said it was okay. I actually mean it's okay for self-defence.