I'm sorry Riot, but I'm done. I won't tolerate this from this game. Read this or don't, whatever.

Zero Shingetsu··3 votes·917 views

I came back to League after about two months away. I heard some people on my team complaining about targeted DDOSing slowing them down, but I assumed it was just typical excuses for poor performance. As someone who doesn't really mind when one of my teammates has a bad game, I didn't think much of it. Then I noticed in several of my games - not all, but maybe once every 15 or so games - I'd have interesting little experiences. I'd freeze up at the most inopportune moments, sometimes getting a "reconnecting" dialog. Except my ping was around 17ms the entire time. I live IN Chicago and have an 80 Mbps internet connection, so I should NEVER lag. And generally, I don't. In fact, I've played League for some five years without... EVER lagging, to my memory.

I did some digging around about this DDOSing issue and it turns out it's legitimate. So legitimate that Riot actually set up a way to protect against it. Via a Skype proxy connection. Look, guys, I'm not downloading a third party program I'll never use - and in fact one that opens my computer to port scans, according to my antivirus software - to play League. And I'm certainly not putting up with the bull excrement that is lagging during every fourth trade and having the enemy carry go 10/0 at my expense. League is not NEARLY a fun enough game to tolerate all that for.

The fact that this is such an epidemic is, if I may say, not only disconcerting... but downright shameful. Riot, you are a multi-million dollar operation. You're not an indie garage operation anymore. You can spend the money to bring in the people with the tools and know-how to protect your players better than this, and your players deserve it. You can remove this post if you wish. I completely understand if you do, and I wouldn't hold it against you. But I'd just like you to know that I've been a loyal player for several years, and I find your apparent lack of action in regards to cheating such as this downright disgraceful. Just a thought, but perhaps if you spent less time on esports and more time attending to the needs of the players who actually keep your game afloat, such things wouldn't become a problem.

The game has been fun for years, but I won't tolerate this. I'm uninstalling, and I will never play another game from this studio for the rest of my days unless I one day read that Riot has taken strong measures to protect its players from things like this.

28 Comments

sheldonbunny12 votes

I have not experienced nor have I met anyone who has experienced a targeted DDOS attack on specific matches. The term epidemic seems a bit exaggerated here. I can understand your frustration regardless with the issues you've had and I wish you well in future endeavors.

J E B A ł T E D1 votes

Well said

MeilinII6 votes

I don't think you actually understand how difficult it is to prevent DOS attacks. Major companies get hit by these and knocked out for days. Riot, or any company, can't be expected to stop DOS attacks coming from one players network to another.

leaugesbane2 votes

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I don't think you actually understand how difficult it is to prevent DOS attacks. Major companies get hit by these and knocked out for days. Riot, or any company, can't be expected to stop DOS attacks coming from one players network to another.

diffrence is riot sets themselves up to be ddos

MeilinII9 votes

How so? They don't set themselves up for it any more than Paypal, Visa, Steam, XBLA, or PSN, all of which have been repeatedly DOS'd in recent years.

leaugesbane2 votes

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How so? They don't set themselves up for it any more than Paypal, Visa, Steam, XBLA, or PSN, all of which have been repeatedly DOS'd in recent years.

lyte. i know more then enough to know he has to many unintended issues attached to his "work" and when you piss people off it happens hints why its far rarer virtually everwhere else to run into it. as for paypal visa greed. there is a reason i have an xbox not a psn and there is a reason i dont bother with steam.

p.s. one of my other buddies ill probably never mention agian has used his pc to mod things for his ps 3 on the software end ik allllllll about play stations flaws while you can probably do it with xbox its less likely. case and point my freind. i cant remember his exact words but it was along the lines of the ability to easily mod the software and for some reason xbox wasn't as easy

MeilinII5 votes

You're not posting a source, so everything you say is an assumption, and frankly your first paragraph doesn't even make sense. Take it from someone who used to WORK for one of those gaming companies, you do not know what you're talking about. Frankly, modifying software is easy, but that has nothing to do with a DOS.

Troll Armada4 votes

You have to read between the lines. It makes sense, however, it's silly to think that Lyte is the cause of anything.

Basically, in these hacker communities there is a lot of group think going down, and this leads to them villainizing and stalking people.

What the poster doesn't understand is that, if it wasn't lyte then it would be some other crap, they are always great at rationalizing and justifying their illegal activities as some sort of community service project.

leaugesbane1 votes

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You have to read between the lines. It makes sense, however, it's silly to think that Lyte is the cause of anything.

Basically, in these hacker communities there is a lot of group think going down, and this leads to them villainizing and stalking people.

What the poster doesn't understand is that, if it wasn't lyte then it would be some other crap, they are always great at rationalizing and justifying their illegal activities as some sort of community service project.

fair and acceptable. i disagree but its probably the sad truth...

You have to read between the lines. It makes sense, however, it's silly to think that Lyte is the cause of anything.

most people on these boards that openly support riot have a 5th grade reading comprehension. i wish i could type as well as i read it just doesn't work that way for me.

Troll Armada1 votes

there is a reason i have an xbox not a psn and there is a reason i dont bother with steam.

I was about to ask what you mean, but your last paragraph explains it perfectly, and this is similar what my troll/hacker friend has told me himself, after I went into rage mode once because Call of Duty Black Ops was being hacked systemwide with that annoying 'slow motion' hack...and sony still to this day hasn't done squat.

A lot of people are under the assumption that these companies are staffed with some sort of MENSA geniuses...

Now as for STEAM, what is your problem with STEAM exactly? I would go with STEAM over some NSA Microsoft snooping machine any day. grrrl please....

leaugesbane1 votes

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I was about to ask what you mean, but your last paragraph explains it perfectly, and this is similar what my troll/hacker friend has told me himself, after I went into rage mode once because Call of Duty Black Ops was being hacked systemwide with that annoying 'slow motion' hack...and sony still to this day hasn't done squat.

A lot of people are under the assumption that these companies are staffed with some sort of MENSA geniuses...

Now as for STEAM, what is your problem with STEAM exactly? I would go with STEAM over some NSA Microsoft snooping machine any day. grrrl please....

not really a problem but a preference my computer doesn't get updated every year so its annoying when compared to console.

also xbox gets hacked but the only way its ignored is if the game is 3-4 years old and those codwaw flying rocket lobbies where fun

MeilinII3 votes

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Call of Duty Black Ops was being hacked systemwide with that annoying 'slow motion' hack...and sony still to this day hasn't done squat.

You guys really don't know what you're talking about. Call of Duty is an ACTIVISION title, not an SCEA title, so hacking/modding done on COD has nothing to do with Sony, or even Micro$oft. And everyone knows Activi$ion is a terrible company that stops supporting their old games in under a year and leave them to rot full of cheaters.

Troll Armada1 votes

sigh omg.... girl please don't mess. m'kay?

first of all this is a console so the fact that there are ways to 'hack' these games is the CONSOLE MANUFACTURERS FAULT...mostly.

And in this case, Sony incompetence on many levels. I don't remember the exact details, but one of the details was not only their shoddy security implementation from a design stand point, but organizational incompetence which then allowed their primary encryption keys to be leaked, repeatedly onto the internet...

Here, educate yourself...

Sony PS3 Security Broken Sony used an ECDSA signature scheme to protect the PS3. Trouble is, they didn't pay sufficient attention to their random number generator. https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2011/01/sony_ps3_securi.html

Sony PS3 hacked “for good” – master keys revealed https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2012/10/25/sony-ps3-hacked-for-good-master-keys-revealed/

Sony lets slip its PlayStation 3 Master Key - oops! http://hexus.net/gaming/news/ps3/47177-sony-lets-slip-playstation-3-master-key-oops/

SONY PLAYSTATION 3 HACKED AGAIN, CONSOLE ENCRYPTION KEYS LEAKED http://www.inquisitr.com/374833/sony-playstation-3-hacked-again-console-encryption-keys-leaked/

MeilinII2 votes

Again, I worked for gaming companies and none of this has to do with COD servers. Those encryption keys are for the console software and mods, not mods on the games. You're not proving your point. Yes, Sony has terrible security, but that doesn't have anything to do with DOS attacks or COD hacking. You're basically saying that since oxygen burns and plants make oxygen that all plants must be poisonous.

Troll Armada1 votes

You don't understand how most console hacks work,

Sure Treyarch and Activision hold some blame, but most of the blame goes to Sony for the shitty platform security. They sold the developers on being able to trust the client for high fps games where server side processing might not be practical, and it turns out this was all crap.

here's one of better explanations: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-ps3-security-in-tatters

now they seem only focused on the DRM and piracy implications, and barely brush on the many avenues it opened up for hacks.

IndianHippie2 votes

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lyte. i know more then enough to know he has to many unintended issues attached to his "work" and when you piss people off it happens hints why its far rarer virtually everwhere else to run into it. as for paypal visa greed. there is a reason i have an xbox not a psn and there is a reason i dont bother with steam.

p.s. one of my other buddies ill probably never mention agian has used his pc to mod things for his ps 3 on the software end ik allllllll about play stations flaws while you can probably do it with xbox its less likely. case and point my freind. i cant remember his exact words but it was along the lines of the ability to easily mod the software and for some reason xbox wasn't as easy

"Case and point". You're using it wrong. Its Case IN Point. Also you're using it in the wrong context. For instance: There have have been a lot of DDOS attacks recently. Case in point, the attack that happened last week on XYZ company's server.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

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I don't think you actually understand how difficult it is to prevent DOS attacks. Major companies get hit by these and knocked out for days. Riot, or any company, can't be expected to stop DOS attacks coming from one players network to another.

Well I understand it would be difficult. I never said it would be easy, only that it's necessary. And well within Riot's considerable wealth to manage. I'm sure they have plenty of wiggle room after overhead to bring in a team of cyber security experts and figure a way to stop this. Hell, they claim Skype has a way to hide public IPs from others connecting to the service, so why can't Riot come up with a way to do it?

It wouldn't be easy, but it would be possible.

MeilinII3 votes

No, it's actually not. If Micro$oft can't stop DOS's, what makes you think RIOT can? The Skype thing is a workaround, not a resolution or a preventative measure.

Troll Armada1 votes

Skype is not secure. It's probably the least secure of any of the popular gaming chat programs there is.

Discord is the best, Curse second best in my view, however recently I saw that Curse COPIED DISCORD'S ENTIRE USER INTERFACE, and personally I would not want to support a company that so blatantly steals rather than competes, but i digress, skype is not secure, and I would not use that app personally.

Troll Armada1 votes

Well, in all fairness, when you grow up, you'll come to learn that many "major companies" are full of idiots.

Like I worked for a "major studio" and was able to end a ddos attack affecting the entire subnet by simply scanning my applications server logs for anomalous traffic from certain IP addresses. Then I contacted the ISP associated with those IP's, let them know what was happening. They suspended the account and the ddos stopped.

I really didn't care that it was studio wide at the time, I just cared that it was screwing the users of my specific app. It was only the next day I got an email from the CTO thanking me.

Zero Shingetsu1 votes

Amendment: Why doesn't your uninstaller work properly anymore? I hate having to manually uninstall things...

RogueWill1 votes

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Amendment: Why doesn't your uninstaller work properly anymore? I hate having to manually uninstall things...

So you re trapped forever!!! muhahaha

PS dont forget to delete the registry entries (good luck with that since is a couple hundred on different locations)

Packun Flower1 votes

As a victim of being DDOSed i can say this is the absolute worst feeling anyone can experience ingame.

I had this happen to me a few times and its just horrible. It honestly feels like rape. You do really good vs your opponent then he gets really mad, sticks a gun in your face and tells you to stop playing. Only to humilate you in front of everyone while you are powerless to do anything to stop him.

Its the worst kind of cheating and i do agree that riot does overlook a lot of cases where it happens.

MeilinII10 votes

{quoted} It honestly feels like rape.

You just lost all credibility and clearly have no idea what that horrific experience is like.

Packun Flower2 votes

Oh no i must have offended the elusive girl gamer.

Get over yourself

MeilinII8 votes

Or you could get over being a dramatic whiner and make comparisons that make logical sense [slayer-jinx-wink]

Packun Flower1 votes

If thats what you call whining i think i would hate to see what you classify as opinion [zombie-brand-mindblown]

FrankerX4 votes

something that doesnt sound like whiny bullshit could classify as opinion.

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