A Flawed Banning System

XstatiK··0 votes·770 views

Yes I did get banned

  1. Although it's great to ban people who are really toxic during games, it isn't great to ban people who are only toxic for one or two games. My main account got permanently banned because I was really toxic for two games straight. The system should look for consistent toxic behavior because everyone has moments where they can't control themselves, and some are just really unlucky with that control, which explains why only 0.006% of players are permanently banned.

  2. Chat doesn't tell the full story, if it did then chat would be filled with paragraphs of explanation on why you're upset or why what you think you're doing is correct and so on. However the amount of characters you can type are limited, and it just isn't realistic to type for so long when the game is still going on. There should be certain cases where players are allowed to be toxic due to their environment and situation.

a. When a teammate bans a champion you were planning to play knowing you wanted to play that champ. This is pretty self explanatory, and it is much more common than you'd think. When it does happen it's extremely clear whether or not they did it on purpose or accident. However when it happens on purpose then the victim should get some leeway as to why they're upset. Time is precious, and no one likes it when their time is wasted, and it's even worse when you can't or don't want to dodge. Going into the game the player most likely is already unhappy, and has a negative outlook on the game itself as well as their teammates, you can only expect them to be toxic when they think they're losing. This is ultimately just a case of "having a bad day" except you get punished because someone else made you upset. In addition, the environment greatly contributes to the level of toxicity. When the victim is upset and expresses it, they don't deserve half of their own team to "bully" them. This only makes things worse since they get off scott free because you were more toxic than them, even though they instigated it.

-Now that alone maybe isn't enough to excuse everything, all I'm saying is that you need to look more in-depth on what happened. In my case I've been trying to get a certain champ top, but 3 times in a row, the champ I wanted to play was banned, by my own team, even stating that they didn't want me playing that champ there. Of course no one likes trolls, but don't ban before asking me why I chose to play that champ with that role. I pick who I'm planning to play pretty early, so there's more than enough time for a conversation, but no one wants one, it's always shoot first and ask questions later. Having to play 60+ minutes of champs I got bored of playing a while ago is not fun, and I didn't realize how upset I was until the 4th game where my own team "bullied" me because I was "crying since I suck", I was the one who felt the most injustice here. However this was only the first game out of the two that got me banned

-The second game I wanted to give up and surrender because it was a waste of my time, It was one of the few games I won a Fiora versus Renekton matchup, and to lose the game because my team just wouldn't let me carry got me really upset. I wanted the game to end because I knew I was really upset and if it kept going I was just going to end up even worse. If two of my teammates still thinks we could win and are trying to win the game, they shouldn't be able to get me banned because we had a simple disagreement. I'm in silver, and if two silver slackers want to win, they should be doing it the right way, not just "let's group and 5v5" all the time. I 100% always support people who actually know how to end the game and work with them, but I'm not working with idiots, it's a waste of time.

  • I think this point is important to make for many reasons. You shouldn't apply master level expectations to silver levels. The whole idea of "anyone can win the game" is absurd once you're silver. Once you're silver you already have basic understanding of how to end the game, but most importantly this applies to the enemy team as well. In my case there were two idiots on my team who didn't know how to let me carry and end the game, yet I took all the blame for choosing to not cooperate with them. League of Legends is a team game but there are occasions where one person is carrying the rest of their team, and it's the rest of the team's job to make sure they're not too heavy of a burden to carry. You can't compare this to a game like soccer because it's a 5v5, and if two people doesn't know what they're doing on one team, no amount of teamwork can fix that. To give some clarity after the first game (above) I took a respectable break and went back in. I saw I was up against Renek and I was like "well I'm just going to make plays bot" or "I'm going to focus on just farming it out", and to my surprise I dominated lane. This is troubling because when someone reaches a high, and then someone else knocks them down from their "high" you can expect very rude words be said which is what happened to me.
  1. I'm not saying I'm perfect or not toxic at all, but I'm unlucky, I'm silver, and I'm consistently positive. As a matter of fact, the majority of the games played this week before the ban was pretty positive, I would almost always type "gl hf" in the beginning of the games and I would praise my team for doing a good job. However another point is that the system doesn't look at that, which is unfair. If you want to look at my chat then I'll post it, but remember that a lot goes on behind the scenes that is very important but often neglected. Or if you want to just research me my main account was: Xtra Dime.

28 Comments

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Riot has no tolerance for hate-speech.

Considering how many times you used it, you shouldn't be surprised.

Severity does matter.

XstatiK1 votes

-Severity is irrelevant -Consistency matters most

The difference between a constantly toxic person and a normal person who is having a bad day should be glaringly obvious, in addition, only looking at the negatives completely promotes no positivity which is what I mostly show consistently. If someone was judged ONLY based on what they did poorly, then that'd be an extreme injustice.

XstatiK1 votes

At least not a perma-ban, I can see an argument for a normal bad but a perma-ban is an EXTREME INJUSTICE

UnboundHades1 votes

to get a perma ban you need to get a 14 day ban first and a chat restriction so that means that you did this not once but 3 times so it is consistent

XstatiK1 votes

Well it doesn't say there but although it is my main account, my cousin let me have this one since he just stopped liking the game.

However let's say it was mine the entire time, exactly how long was the time between the 14 day ban, and chat restriction? Did you consider the hours played over the span of said time? The times I took breaks for full weeks? A month apart barely shows consistency, half a month is justifiable.

This is important to think about, you shouldn't think about issues similar to this so half-assedly because this situation can be comparable to real life situations.

AeroWaffle5 votes

Well it doesn't say there but although it is my main account, my cousin let me have this one since he just stopped liking the game.

That's a perma-ban reason itself. Account sharing is a nono.

Zombiemaster3 votes

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to get a perma ban you need to get a 14 day ban first and a chat restriction so that means that you did this not once but 3 times so it is consistent

Not necessarily. It is possible to be escalated straight to a permanent ban if the offending behavior is considered severe enough. This is generally done for things like hate speech (such as in OP's Game 1) or death threats.

EndlessSorcerer2 votes

Actually, you can skip stages based on the severity of the offense.

ModThe Djinn1 votes

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to get a perma ban you need to get a 14 day ban first and a chat restriction so that means that you did this not once but 3 times so it is consistent

You actually can get a permanent ban immediately, or go straight to a 14-day ban and then a permanent ban for certain behavior. Slurs and hate speech (present in these logs) is one of those behaviors that can do that.

Xidphel1 votes

Excessive toxicity can net you from no punishment to 14 day ban or perma.

ModThe Djinn5 votes

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-Severity is irrelevant -Consistency matters most

This is entirely untrue, and now how the system works at all.

By this standard murder is fine, as long as you do it infrequently. Blatant death threats and racism are fine, as long as it's a one-time thing. Neither of those is acceptable in ANY quantity.

XstatiK1 votes

Well the murder thing was more complex than what I made it out to be, you're picking at straws at this point.

Racism is fine as long as it's a one time thing, because most likely you have some sort of relationship with the person meaning you're friends that are just joking, but if they consistently made racial slurs aimed toward you, at that point it isn't okay because they might actually be racist.

AeroWaffle6 votes

Racism is fine as long as it's a one time thing

No, it really isn't.

XstatiK1 votes

Ima just post it anyway....

Game 1 Xtra Dime: shut up Xtra Dime: this is great Xtra Dime: yep Xtra Dime: well cant go top now Xtra Dime: gj bot Xtra Dime: fuck off Xtra Dime: gj sej Xtra Dime: go suck my dick Xtra Dime: bitch i took it like i took your sisters virginity Xtra Dime: then suck my small dick Xtra Dime: fuck you Xtra Dime: stfu %%% Xtra Dime: and ur gay so stfu Xtra Dime: already did so suck my dick Xtra Dime: team game you %%% Xtra Dime: bitch Xtra Dime: im not good enough to be a role model Xtra Dime: so suck my dick kids Xtra Dime: ima a pedo Xtra Dime: ura %%% Xtra Dime: thats what happened Xtra Dime: sit down bitch Xtra Dime: how u let 4 monekys beat u down Xtra Dime: feg Xtra Dime: ur negative stfu Xtra Dime: bg Xtra Dime: my team sucks dick Xtra Dime: report ur mom Xtra Dime: for giving birth Xtra Dime: to a %%% Game 2 Xtra Dime: just dont fight when he has wind wall Xtra Dime: lol Xtra Dime: not adc Xtra Dime: sry nunu Xtra Dime: fuck Xtra Dime: he has tele Xtra Dime: fuck Xtra Dime: rly Xtra Dime: it was wardd Xtra Dime: wtf Xtra Dime: nunu bait him Xtra Dime: nunu keep bot safe Xtra Dime: can you guys stop being greedy little shits Xtra Dime: oh fuck off Xtra Dime: its to late now Xtra Dime: just ff Xtra Dime: for the love of god Xtra Dime: vote yes Xtra Dime: omg Xtra Dime: report everyone but me and jhin pls Xtra Dime: for refusing to surrrender Xtra Dime: i dont wannt to carry you guys Xtra Dime: why, cuz u guys suck ass Xtra Dime: ima just farm, until we lose Xtra Dime: cya Xtra Dime: lol keep doing that so wecan end this fucking game Xtra Dime: pls Xtra Dime: just end it Xtra Dime: go 4v5 ima afk farm so just win already Xtra Dime: not my account lol Xtra Dime: ok Xtra Dime: pls end Xtra Dime: ggwp Xtra Dime: ggwp

ModThe Djinn6 votes

{quoted}-chat logs-

This is 100% unacceptable. We don't need a "full story" -- this log is almost entirely insults, hate speech, and unnecessary sexual content.

I understand that players have, as you say, "moments where they can't control themselves." But this is an entire game of slurs and abuse, and that's not "a moment." That's 20-30 minutes of you intentionally using awful language to belittle and insult your fellow players.

I can excuse occasionally losing your temper. There is NO excuse for this sort of excessive behavior, or this sort of language. I legitimately can't see how you think the system is at all flawed -- this is entirely punishable, and entirely unacceptable.

Do you disagree with this assessment? If so, why?

XstatiK1 votes

That line of thinking is very dangerous. You ALWAYS need a full or at least most of the story. Just because someone had bloody hands in front of a dead person doesn't mean they're a murderer. That is a separate case but there are parallels that shouldn't be ignored. This chat only shows one side of the story, and even IF I deserved a ban, for the other side to get off scott free because I was the one caught with bloody fingerprints isn't justice.

You have the line of thinking comparable to a no tolerance policy which is dangerous if applied to the wrong situation.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}You ALWAYS need a full or at least most of the story.

I really don't. You were throwing slurs out, and constantly insulting your team, often in sexual terms. I don't NEED another half to know this is unacceptable behavior. It's the equivalent of a signed confessional -- we KNOW you wrote those things, and there's no situation in which that behavior is at all acceptable.

In what circumstances is that behavior NOT toxic?

XstatiK1 votes

You'd be the person to believe if a person is getting assaulted by a group of people, if the victim chooses to fight back, he deserves the same amount of jail time as the offenders.

Funnily enough the offenders in my case suffered nothing, I can only think of the people they instigate into being toxic.

ModThe Djinn6 votes

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You'd be the person to believe if a person is getting assaulted by a group of people, if the victim chooses to fight back, he deserves the same amount of jail time as the offenders.

Nope. Nice try though. If someone violently assaults you? Knock them the fuck out before they can hurt you. Every time.

See, the real world equivalent of physical violence doesn't apply to League -- your life isn't in danger. You have a mute button. You can simply NOT chat. YOU DO NOT NEED TO FIGHT BACK.

The closer equivalent is having someone start shouting slurs at you in a movie theater. If you start shouting back or physically attack them, you'll BOTH end up kicked out. And the theater is in the right if it does that.

In this case, you chose to engage them. Further, you chose to engage them on their own toxic terms, using language that isn't acceptable for a friendly situation. This is 100% on you, although I understand they frustrated you.

XstatiK1 votes

You can simply NOT chat. YOU DO NOT NEED TO FIGHT BACK.

Not to sound like an ass, but if you understand I'm frustrated (which you don't, at least not the amount of frustration) then you would know and should conclude I'm not in the proper mind set to make decisions, similarly to drinking and driving. You drink -> can't think straight -> die in a car crash.

To clarify a bit more on how frustrated I felt, the mute button isn't enough. I did actually mute them most of the time, but their mere presence, the idea that they were constantly laughing at me, poking fun while I'm not looking, this is the kind of shit that makes people feel trapped.

So don't speak words like "I understand" so lightly, because 1) without the full story you can't understand anything, and 2) This can be comparable to real life just as much as video games.

-take away the background and gameplay and it's just a conversation on a topic you might feel strongly about. If anything the virtual world is safer because shit doesn't get physical, but in real life it fucking happens, and when it does you regret it.

ModThe Djinn3 votes

{quoted}Not to sound like an ass, but if you understand I'm frustrated (which you don't, at least not the amount of frustration) then you would know and should conclude I'm not in the proper mind set to make decisions, similarly to drinking and driving. You drink -> can't think straight -> die in a car crash.

That is, unfortunately, your problem. Much like drinking and then driving does not excuse you from the law against it, even if you're not thinking properly.

And I do understand -- do you think I'm somehow immune to flaming or frustrating players? We all encounter them, sadly.

XstatiK1 votes

Well of course the law doesn't give you a free pass even though you're drunk, because you're risking the lives of others, it isn't a personal case at this point.

Getting no ban at all wasn't even my point, why do you insist on arguing with ignorance. My point was that their system is flawed in some ways, and I didn't deserve perma-ban. I even stated previously that an argument for a normal ban is acceptable, but I NEVER stated I wanted no ban at all, that's just irresponsible. Sorry I'm done, this whole thing just seems pointless and idiotic, so have a good night, or day, good luck in the rift and all that.

XstatiK1 votes

I don't NEED another half

of the story? For the love of humanity itself, don't be a part of the justice system please, you WILL hurt a lot of people and families.

ModThe Djinn4 votes

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of the story? For the love of humanity itself, don't be a part of the justice system please, you WILL hurt a lot of people and families.

Given that you are punished in League for your own personal behavior, the real-world equivalent of the legal system doesn't really stand. You had a very easy choice to not display the sort of language and behavior you did, and there was no harm done to you by ignoring them, or responding with other language.

-shrug-

AeroWaffle4 votes

The other half of the story is important in real life when attempting to determine the whole truth.

But here's the thing with this situation. Riot has decided that you are responsible for your behavior and no one else's behavior changes your responsibility over your own actions.

So we have the whole truth already.

EvilDustMan1 votes

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That line of thinking is very dangerous. You ALWAYS need a full or at least most of the story. Just because someone had bloody hands in front of a dead person doesn't mean they're a murderer. That is a separate case but there are parallels that shouldn't be ignored. This chat only shows one side of the story, and even IF I deserved a ban, for the other side to get off scott free because I was the one caught with bloody fingerprints isn't justice.

You have the line of thinking comparable to a no tolerance policy which is dangerous if applied to the wrong situation.

You had no reason at all to have an outburst like game 1. You went way over the line.

English Zed1 votes

Wow this make my ban, make me look like an angel, mate i've never seen someone so toxic what I said compared to you is actually positive lmfao.

MisterSki1 votes

You got punished for raging a shitty players. Those players that fed and suck got zero punishment even though they ruined the game as much if not more than your toxicity did. I don't care what anyone says about the punishment system it fucking sucks. Trolling and feeding are RAMPANT in games far more than toxicity is and it is a fucking problem. I will take a player that is good that says HORRIBLE things in chat over the nicest player that goes 0/8/0 every game every day every time.

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