Toxic to a bad player is perfectly fine ??????

That VietCong··1 votes·1,214 views

Had a game where a player constantly smashed me where I said one remark on a jungling concept that if a top laner has no teleport, its an easy way to snowball a lane out of control, however I believed he became triggered when i said the words "basic jungle knowledge" which i was helping to improve his pathing skills, but for the rest of the game he constantly trash talked me, who i went 0-8, but got towers and objectives with the team, to finish the game 8-11. Stopped dying as much and started helping the team, but he constantly trash talked and said the words "toxic to a bad player is fine", i refused to rebuttal as I'd rather take the high road, but when trying to point out his toxicity, he again said "you being bad causing me to be toxic is perfectly fine"

So I ask, how is that mentality healthy for the environment if this player hinders a healthy gaming environment where players are encouraged to be toxic to players either not as skilled as they are, or just having a bad game

28 Comments

acehole762 votes

he is right. so either play better or mute when having a bad game.

That VietCong2 votes

This is essentially encouraging a toxic behavior while during that game i improved after getting our of the laning phase.

this also breaks rules #1-5 of the summoners code, I'm trying to help him to help me during game, he didn't, so I tried what i can do

acehole762 votes

don't be a snowflake the summoners code is like the pirates code it's really more of a guideline then a rule. Play better and you won't get flamed no one's ever flamed a 10-0 top.

Deep Terror Nami5 votes

There is never any excuse to flame. Muting prevents further verbal abuse, it does not justify it, and it's on each individual to control his or her own actions, not someone else.

we back dcane1 votes

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There is never any excuse to flame. Muting prevents further verbal abuse, it does not justify it, and it's on each individual to control his or her own actions, not someone else.

Hi

acehole761 votes

shhhh

That VietCong1 votes

He literally just blew away your whole argument which just says youre just a boards troll tbh

SecondAirbane1 votes

lmao sorry if i'm too harsh oh wait forget it i wont say sorry LOL

because #freetyler1 also the top laner couldve just been fed off a bronze 5 top lane LUL

in other words unless i see you as a good player you're a trash 10/0 top if you miss your skillshots too much you're trash if you get terrible cs you're trash etc

acehole762 votes

ive played alot of lol and ive never seen anyone trash talk a 10-0 top laner

SecondAirbane1 votes

because there mightve been no reason too or they didnt point out anything

acehole761 votes

maybe but until i see i chose to believe it. I am a man of honor though if I do ever see it I will make a thread and tag you in it.

That VietCong1 votes

So you're saying you would flame a player outright just because they're playing poorly instead of helping them ? This is only a yes or no question.

Targeting harassment to a player when having a bad game has no place anywhere, you're encouraging toxic behavior on the Player Behavior boards of all places

acehole762 votes

yes of course i would

That VietCong1 votes

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There is never any excuse to flame. Muting prevents further verbal abuse, it does not justify it, and it's on each individual to control his or her own actions, not someone else.

So acehole76 you're agreeing to be toxic and not helping the player, which can be a new player, breaking code 8 of the summoners code

acehole761 votes

yes as ive said the code is really just a guideline

That VietCong1 votes

And you yourself are breaking the guideline yourself even on boards, youre encouraging toxic behavior which is regressing the game environment instead of promoting a healthy envrionment

Twisted Spade1 votes

So your saying you would let a player think they are doing a good job without saying anything?

IMO that is worse for the community cuz the guy is never going to correct his actions if nobody points it out to him.

Twisted Spade1 votes

Hes right tho, nobody flaming a 10-0 top about how bad they are.

That VietCong1 votes

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Being toxic for any reason is never okay. There's healthy ways to communicate, and if they don't want to partake in that it's their decision, Mute them, Report them, and go on to the next game.

Constructive criticism and healthy banter is always encouraged, helping your teammates improve is a great thing that will separate you from the rest of the flamers. Try not to use terms like "basic X knowledge" as it's somewhat demeaning to hear as they're playing the role the way that they see fit. I can definitely see how this "triggered' the individual, however it's no excuse for being toxic to someone having a bad game. Saying things along the lines of "gg noob jg no ganks ff20 9x report plz" is always going to have a negative connotation associated with it, and will almost certainly have a demoralizing effect on the team.

Saying something more productive like "Hey (insert jungler name), Riven picked up Ignite instead of Teleport, if you're around can you help me out with her? We can put her super far behind and I can help you get into their jungle or roam around/grab towers." If they decide to flame you, so be it, just Mute them and use Smart Pings to communicate at that point. More likely than not, your teammate will attempt to communicate with you though - if they tell you something you don't want to hear you need to be prepared for that as well, such as "Sorry I can't go top right now, I need to clear my Red side and help bot lane out I think Lee is getting ready to dive them."

Even if they guessed wrong and Lee was busy getting juked by the Scuttlecrab (queue Silver Scrapes and mastery emotes pls), it's okay. Try not to flame them and do your best with the cards you've been dealt. You can always try to encourage them, however don't press the issue as it will likely turn into an argument rather quickly. Something like "Np I'll try and play safe for a bit. Let me know when you're nearby though so I'll be ready!" That encourages them that you're willing to communicate and that you still need assistance or are willing to work around their schedule to a degree. Sometimes you'll even get a friendly mid laner that will be able to push our their wave and run up to help you when they see that you're a friendly individual that's focused on team play. A small "ty" goes a long way if they make the effort, even if nothing comes out of it. They've gained you a lot of pressure and sacrificed their own by showing on the map.

TL;DR: It's never okay to be toxic for any reason. Try to avoid being passive aggressive as well as humans tend to pick up on that stuff quickly, even if the IFS (Instant Feedback System) doesn't and it will affect their playing ability. Everyone has bad games, even God Faker himself messes up every now and again and goes 0/10 on Azir (SHURIMA!). It's part of the learning process and if someone is flaming an individual for poor performance it's likely not going to help them improve - usually it has the opposite effect!

That VietCong1 votes

{quoted}

Being toxic for any reason is never okay. There's healthy ways to communicate, and if they don't want to partake in that it's their decision, Mute them, Report them, and go on to the next game.

Constructive criticism and healthy banter is always encouraged, helping your teammates improve is a great thing that will separate you from the rest of the flamers. Try not to use terms like "basic X knowledge" as it's somewhat demeaning to hear as they're playing the role the way that they see fit. I can definitely see how this "triggered' the individual, however it's no excuse for being toxic to someone having a bad game. Saying things along the lines of "gg noob jg no ganks ff20 9x report plz" is always going to have a negative connotation associated with it, and will almost certainly have a demoralizing effect on the team.

Saying something more productive like "Hey (insert jungler name), Riven picked up Ignite instead of Teleport, if you're around can you help me out with her? We can put her super far behind and I can help you get into their jungle or roam around/grab towers." If they decide to flame you, so be it, just Mute them and use Smart Pings to communicate at that point. More likely than not, your teammate will attempt to communicate with you though - if they tell you something you don't want to hear you need to be prepared for that as well, such as "Sorry I can't go top right now, I need to clear my Red side and help bot lane out I think Lee is getting ready to dive them."

Even if they guessed wrong and Lee was busy getting juked by the Scuttlecrab (queue Silver Scrapes and mastery emotes pls), it's okay. Try not to flame them and do your best with the cards you've been dealt. You can always try to encourage them, however don't press the issue as it will likely turn into an argument rather quickly. Something like "Np I'll try and play safe for a bit. Let me know when you're nearby though so I'll be ready!" That encourages them that you're willing to communicate and that you still need assistance or are willing to work around their schedule to a degree. Sometimes you'll even get a friendly mid laner that will be able to push our their wave and run up to help you when they see that you're a friendly individual that's focused on team play. A small "ty" goes a long way if they make the effort, even if nothing comes out of it. They've gained you a lot of pressure and sacrificed their own by showing on the map.

TL;DR: It's never okay to be toxic for any reason. Try to avoid being passive aggressive as well as humans tend to pick up on that stuff quickly, even if the IFS (Instant Feedback System) doesn't and it will affect their playing ability. Everyone has bad games, even God Faker himself messes up every now and again and goes 0/10 on Azir (SHURIMA!). It's part of the learning process and if someone is flaming an individual for poor performance it's likely not going to help them improve - usually it has the opposite effect!

That VietCong1 votes

read before replying please

That VietCong1 votes

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lmao sorry if i'm too harsh oh wait forget it i wont say sorry LOL

because #freetyler1 also the top laner couldve just been fed off a bronze 5 top lane LUL

in other words unless i see you as a good player you're a trash 10/0 top if you miss your skillshots too much you're trash if you get terrible cs you're trash etc

PlsCheckThisBush1 votes

Being toxic for any reason is never okay. There's healthy ways to communicate, and if they don't want to partake in that it's their decision, Mute them, Report them, and go on to the next game.

Constructive criticism and healthy banter is always encouraged, helping your teammates improve is a great thing that will separate you from the rest of the flamers. Try not to use terms like "basic X knowledge" as it's somewhat demeaning to hear as they're playing the role the way that they see fit. I can definitely see how this "triggered' the individual, however it's no excuse for being toxic to someone having a bad game. Saying things along the lines of "gg noob jg no ganks ff20 9x report plz" is always going to have a negative connotation associated with it, and will almost certainly have a demoralizing effect on the team.

Saying something more productive like "Hey (insert jungler name), Riven picked up Ignite instead of Teleport, if you're around can you help me out with her? We can put her super far behind and I can help you get into their jungle or roam around/grab towers." If they decide to flame you, so be it, just Mute them and use Smart Pings to communicate at that point. More likely than not, your teammate will attempt to communicate with you though - if they tell you something you don't want to hear you need to be prepared for that as well, such as "Sorry I can't go top right now, I need to clear my Red side and help bot lane out I think Lee is getting ready to dive them."

Even if they guessed wrong and Lee was busy getting juked by the Scuttlecrab (queue Silver Scrapes and mastery emotes pls), it's okay. Try not to flame them and do your best with the cards you've been dealt. You can always try to encourage them, however don't press the issue as it will likely turn into an argument rather quickly. Something like "Np I'll try and play safe for a bit. Let me know when you're nearby though so I'll be ready!" That encourages them that you're willing to communicate and that you still need assistance or are willing to work around their schedule to a degree. Sometimes you'll even get a friendly mid laner that will be able to push our their wave and run up to help you when they see that you're a friendly individual that's focused on team play. A small "ty" goes a long way if they make the effort, even if nothing comes out of it. They've gained you a lot of pressure and sacrificed their own by showing on the map.

TL;DR: It's never okay to be toxic for any reason. Try to avoid being passive aggressive as well as humans tend to pick up on that stuff quickly, even if the IFS (Instant Feedback System) doesn't and it will affect their playing ability. Everyone has bad games, even God Faker himself messes up every now and again and goes 0/10 on Azir (SHURIMA!). It's part of the learning process and if someone is flaming an individual for poor performance it's likely not going to help them improve - usually it has the opposite effect!

That VietCong1 votes

Its what I'm trying to get across, I said the words "basic jungle knowledge" because I checked the game he was a diamond 4 player, pretty high rank compared to me gold 3, so I thought it was common place, better context I was a Jax vs a Pantheon, Pantheon Q goes through Jax counterstrike, and Pantheon Passive blocks some of my damage, especially if it blocks enhanced autos from w, I was on a downhill to begin with, I muted after he says "stop dying dumbass" at around i believe the 19 minute mark when I already became 0-8, but ended the game 9-12-4 (my 8-11 estimate was wrong) with the most cs 428 23,550 Gold in a 48:37 game, I identified what was wrong and improved instead of having the toxic to toxic mentality, but having that done, post game "report jax for toxic"

PlsCheckThisBush2 votes

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...better context I was a Jax vs a Pantheon, Pantheon Q goes through Jax counterstrike, and Pantheon Passive blocks some of my damage, especially if it blocks enhanced autos from w, I was on a downhill to begin with...I identified what was wrong and improved instead of having the toxic to toxic mentality, but having that done, post game "report jax for toxic"

Great! I'm glad to hear that, if you're able to consistently make strides in that respect then you're already on the right track! It's always refreshing to have someone able to self-identify their own mistakes and what they could have done to prevent them in the future, so kudos to you for that. I'm very glad you didn't stoop down to the toxic to toxic level, as it would have like had an effect on both your mental/emotional health as well as your team's well-being. Thank you for being the bigger man in that scenario.

I hope that overall the community can take a lesson from this and be able to reflect back on their past mistakes. Far too many times it seems individuals end up here on the Boards for "how is this toxic" and link some egregious chat logs involving things I wouldn't even want to say to myself in private >_>. Thanks for posting and sharing your story, hopefully it benefits others who can see things from a different perspective!

Twisted Spade1 votes

Bro you made the choice to endure that by not using MUTE.

Don't give me this sad sack story like hes toxic and going off on your repeatedly.

Fool you once shame on him.. Fool you twice, shame on you...

3d time why you not using mute? Why you still enduring it yet complaining cuz you don't click the damn button to protect your delicate virgin eyes?

How do delicate people like you even internet. Seriously.

That VietCong1 votes

lmao you obviously didnt read I'm trying to help him by telling him optimal pathing routes and jungling strategies but hes toxic, and id rather help people to talk to them muting is great but id rather help people, youre just a forum troll like the other

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