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Can We Get Some Griefer Awareness?

Tribbles Foxfolk··8 votes·2,710 views

I played my first game of League today (not my FIRST game, but first of the day) and queued for Twisted Treeline. Champ select went by pretty much as expected. For the first ~15 minutes of the match, our Sejuani was polite, nice, and had a decent attitude. Admittingly, she wasn't good, but I was willing to overlook it since we were comfortably winning.

Then a teamfight around 18 minutes sprouted up. She refused to engage, even with full health + mana, all of our ults, and exposed enemies (their Malph was NOT good, but that's besides the point). I attempted to engage in her place (I was Brand) and got killed. She typed in chat "...Why would you go? Are you stupid?" I replied "You weren't engaging a free teamfight, so I went in your place since you're inept." (Yes, I admit I should have just kept my cool and said "you're right, my bad.") She replied with "have fun" and trolled for almost a full 20 minutes. Running around in the Fog-of-War spamming emotes, recalls, not capturing objectives, not clearing jungle, doing NOTHING at all.

I asked the enemy team to report her (Not unreasonable at all since she was clearly griefing) and was met with "Nice throw" from the enemy Ashe. The game went on for 36 minutes and we won because the Sejuani finally decided to stop trolling for 2 minutes and we won a flawless teamfight.

Here's the match link: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2041712332/215695406

Do NOT be fooled by the Sejuani's KDA (8/2/6), she died twice in the first 10-15 minutes and never died again in the game.

I'm not asking anyone to report her or anything. No. I'm just trying to raise awareness that griefing/trolling is still an unsolved issue in League of Legends that Riot NEEDS to address. Currently, ONE person trolling is all it takes in ANY mode to instantly lose you a game. Griefers and trolls have too much power, including in Champion Select. No amount of "Lyte says..." can convince me that the issue is contained/not an issue, because it IS, it's real, and it's slowly destroying my League of Legends experience to its core.

When I was still new to League, the first thing I thought when starting a match is "This is gonna be awesome! We're gonna have so much fun and it's gonna be a good time!"

Now, my first thought is "Alright, which one of you is gonna be the guy that ruins everything and/or is extremely toxic?"

It's really sad how negative League has turned me and how aggressive in negativity I can be due to so many bad experiences. I hope nobody hoping to start this game has to deal with the BS I had to, and still do, go through.

23 Comments

RiotRiot Whiskies6 votes

Ugh, always sucks to hear about these poor experiences for players. I face these sorts of things all the time as well, so maybe some of these tips I try to use might help you out as well:

  • Don't assume people are messing up on purpose. Very often, when someone doesn't do something I expected/hoped they would do, it's just because they did not know to do it. In fact, I'm frequently that person (っ- ‸ – ς)

  • Remember not everyone plays as well as you do. In a game like LoL that involves quick thinking, an understanding of so many different champions and abilities, map awareness, communication... it's easy for something to go wrong.

  • Use constructive feedback. Not criticism. Whenever someone says stuff like "wtf" or "???" or "you're stupid," I like to remind them that their saying that does absolutely 0 to help the team, and letting us know what was so surprising/upsetting would be more beneficial. I know chatting is difficult during a game, but I mean if you're dead anyway [kekeke], go ahead and take a few seconds to explain what could have gone better. "Woops, totally thought you were gonna lead the charge there, Sej. Next time let's all go in together." I always honor teammates as 'Helpful' when they take the time to coach others.

  • Breeeaaathe. If you find yourself in these unpleasant situations, take a couple of breaths first before reacting to them. My first impulse is almost always to yell and/or use sarcasm, but that's not gonna get us anywhere XD So breathe. Then say something constructive! Or don't say anything at all.

  • Take a break. Walk away from the game for a bit. It's okay, I swerz. Nobody wants you to become aggressively negative!

It's hard to be the bigger person. I know. It's not fair. But just as you are playing with the absolutely adorable thought of "This is gonna be awesome! We're gonna have so much fun and it's gonna be a good time!", many others are as well. Keeping yourself calm and positive is the best thing for maintaining that, even if others won't.

[merr, apologies, this post became a lot longer than I intended]

Samus722 votes

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[merr, apologies, this post became a lot longer than I intended]

This increased Riot response is quite new. I find it quite refreshing. Yes, I keep using that word. But it's quite accurate.

In the past, I've tried to be encouraging to those who are being negative. Doing so often turns the negative person's attention on me. There's nothing like trying to help someone only for them to try to stab you. The "Maverick" series had a word for people like that: "Ungrateful." I finally gave up on that approach.

Stand Alone Wolf1 votes

I know exactly how you feel man. You are just a bundle of joy to some players, & they'd rather you "Go kill yourself" just because you are being nice.

macromite1 votes

this is the most informative post I have ever seen on the subject.

Cosnirak1 votes

While this is all good advice it kind of misses the point. In many cases players feel that something on Riot's end should be helping correct someone's bad behavior. And sure, plenty of time those players are wrong and nothing should be done on Riot's end about it. But there are also lots of times where something should be done on Riot's end, and nothing is. Without all the details I can't say I know if this particular case should've involved something from Riot (and maybe it did) but that doesn't mean tons of other incidents shouldn't have, yet didn't.

PIMPSMOOTH4 votes

Two things you did are reportable: Retaliating to a troll & typing in all chat asking others to report a player

Instantly muting Sej would have solved your problems in that match.

Tribbles Foxfolk5 votes

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Two things you did are reportable: Retaliating to a troll & typing in all chat asking others to report a player

Instantly muting Sej would have solved your problems in that match.

How does muting someone stop them from griefing? I fail to see your logic.

She was triggered by that engage (which I still think I'm in the right on) and was probably going to grief, even if I said absolutely NOTHING that match and had muted everyone at the start.

Yes, I realize my behavior was not great this match and retrospectively, I agree to that. However, I DISAGREE that much could have been done to stop her from griefing.

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:14:51.375+0000)

How does muting someone stop them from griefing? I fail to see your logic.

You conveniently forgot the primary issue before hitting the mute button -> Not retaliating to a troll.

In your own words you admit that you brought it on yourself when you retaliated:

_ "Yes, I admit I should have just kept my cool and said "you're right, my bad.") She replied with "have fun" and trolled"_

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:14:51.375+0000) She was triggered by that engage

Back to retaliation point above

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:14:51.375+0000) which I still think I'm in the right on

Irrelevant.

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:14:51.375+0000) and was probably going to grief, even if I said absolutely NOTHING that match and had muted everyone at the start.

Completely fabricated by you to justify your initial retaliation.

Again, your own words disprove this immediately:

_ "our Sejuani was polite, nice, and had a decent attitude. Admittingly, she wasn't good, but I was willing to overlook it since we were comfortably winning."_

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:14:51.375+0000) Yes, I realize my behavior was not great this match and retrospectively, I agree to that. However, I DISAGREE that much could have been done to stop her from griefing.

You can disagree, it's a free country. Just don't resort to making up things that directly conflict points you made in your original post because it makes you look bad.

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:14:51.375+0000) Now, my first thought is "Alright, which one of you is gonna be the guy that ruins everything and/or is extremely toxic?"

That poor attitude is on you and you alone, and there's probably a good chance it rubs off on teammates in your matches at the first sign of trouble.

Tribbles Foxfolk3 votes

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You conveniently forgot the primary issue before hitting the mute button -> Not retaliating to a troll.

In your own words you admit that you brought it on yourself when you retaliated:

_ "Yes, I admit I should have just kept my cool and said "you're right, my bad.") She replied with "have fun" and trolled"_

Back to retaliation point above

Irrelevant.

Completely fabricated by you to justify your initial retaliation.

Again, your own words disprove this immediately:

_ "our Sejuani was polite, nice, and had a decent attitude. Admittingly, she wasn't good, but I was willing to overlook it since we were comfortably winning."_

You can disagree, it's a free country. Just don't resort to making up things that directly conflict points you made in your original post because it makes you look bad.

...What? OK, 1) You keep trying to pull the "just mute them" card like it means anything. It's irrelevant. 2) So, I get harassed, retaliate with a clear point, and I'M in the wrong? 3) You keep dismissing any of my points that disrupt your arguments. 4) She was nice...Until she got aggressive in her own ignorance. So, let me get this straight: Because of how SHE acted, or lackthereof, in the teamfight, I'M the one at fault, even though I didn't say a bad word to her all game up until that point. Yeah, great logic. 5) Yes, I CAN disagree. It's a basic right. I didn't make anything up, you pretend I did for a better "point" since you haven't done anything but try and point fingers.

Here's what I can gather from your posts: Because I said that she needs to play a tank correctly and engage, she has every right to grief a game and intentionally try and make us lose.

You seriously baffle me with your lack of MP-game ethics.

PIMPSMOOTH2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:32:25.827+0000) ...What? OK, 1) You keep trying to pull the "just mute them" card like it means anything. It's irrelevant.

Muting is always a relevant option.

Had you muted Sej, you wouldn't have had a problem in the match. However, you opted to retaliate and get snarky, so you got trolled.

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:32:25.827+0000)

  1. So, I get harassed, retaliate with a clear point, and I'M in the wrong?

Retaliating is in the wrong as per Riot's rules, so yes, you were wrong. Capish?

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:32:25.827+0000)

  1. You keep dismissing any of my points that disrupt your arguments.

You changed your story and I used your own words to debunk it, that isn't dismissing your points, that's calling you out on BS.

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:32:25.827+0000)

  1. She was nice...Until she got aggressive in her own ignorance. So, let me get this straight: Because of how SHE acted, or lackthereof, in the teamfight, I'M the one at fault, even though I didn't say a bad word to her all game up until that point. Yeah, great logic.

You're clearly having a hard time understanding what retaliation means, how it instigates further poor behavior, and why it's punishable by Riot.

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:32:25.827+0000) 5) Yes, I CAN disagree. It's a basic right. I didn't make anything up, you pretend I did for a better "point" since you haven't done anything but try and point fingers.

You completely made up a story on how Sej "would have played" had you acted differently. The fact is you're not a fortune teller and you can't predict the future and how someone would have reacted had you simply muted them and not been a wise ass.

[{quoted}](name=Eevee Girl Alex,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:32:25.827+0000) Here's what I can gather from your posts: Because I said that she needs to play a tank correctly and engage, she has every right to grief a game and intentionally try and make us lose. You seriously baffle me with your lack of MP-game ethics.

Here's what I gather from your posts: You justify your retaliating aka being a wise ass to people because you think you're right and they aren't, and you refuse to acknowledge doing so is in direct conflict with Riot's Terms of Service.

DogshítPlayer1 votes

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You conveniently forgot the primary issue before hitting the mute button -> Not retaliating to a troll.

In your own words you admit that you brought it on yourself when you retaliated:

_ "Yes, I admit I should have just kept my cool and said "you're right, my bad.") She replied with "have fun" and trolled"_

Back to retaliation point above

Irrelevant.

Completely fabricated by you to justify your initial retaliation.

Again, your own words disprove this immediately:

_ "our Sejuani was polite, nice, and had a decent attitude. Admittingly, she wasn't good, but I was willing to overlook it since we were comfortably winning."_

You can disagree, it's a free country. Just don't resort to making up things that directly conflict points you made in your original post because it makes you look bad.

That poor attitude is on you and you alone, and there's probably a good chance it rubs off on teammates in your matches at the first sign of trouble.

Rito lyte ass kisser?

PIMPSMOOTH1 votes

[{quoted}](name=4 NEVER AFTER,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-04-20T09:09:21.631+0000)

Rito lyte ass kisser?

Tyler1 fan girl?

Stand Alone Wolf1 votes

"& typing in all chat asking others to report a player" I did not know this was a reportable offense. In all honesty, I thought letting the enemy team know of someone's toxicity/griefing was. . . well. . . okay? Please tell me what's so wrong about informing the enemy if say you have a team-mate who is completely demoralizing your team, & putting everyone else down, about this individuals actions. It helps for each report a player gets. I don't see why informing them is reportable. Where would that even be on the list of reportable options?

Champion Skin1 votes

One report is plenty and enough... what matters more is the amount of games a player get reported (and if they have actually done something) and not the amount of reports And asking others to report a person is something you shouldn't do... like if a troll asks all of the enemy team to report you for something you haven't done? To the enemy team it looks pretty much the same...

Ada Wong1 votes

{quoted}

Two things you did are reportable: Retaliating to a troll & typing in all chat asking others to report a player

Instantly muting Sej would have solved your problems in that match.

Which is true, but Riot does need to be aware griefers exist, and Role Stealers Griefing, and causing loss of games Intentionally and something needs to be done about it, it Happened to me 3 days ago and got 14 day ban for feeding because of a player trolling without saying anything in chat.

Like I understand Muting doesn't solve the problem of a griefer griefing, but their goal is to make you respond in chat in a toxic way, then report you so you get punished, and make new accounts etc, its very unlikely they will get punished by the automated system for feeding because of their score anyways so it takes manual Riot investigation, and even then unless they do it in quite a few games it will go unnoticed often and they will blame you for engaging the fight.

Hopefully with the support ticket I filed I can get Riot to recognize griefing is a bigger problem than what they see, after all it took 3 years of arguing for them to put in dynamic queue and its great imo.

There is also a reason I don't play Tank Champions in League, or end up selling my items and going full AD half the time when I say (Group on me) or you should be grouped at me and making fights happen they are off saying lets take dragon team splits up every direction feed happens and I am done being a tank I might as well go full AD and try to carry myself no point when players intentionally troll.

HEAljvLykd2 votes

Sucks to be a troll getting trolled eh mate?

Tribbles Foxfolk4 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Crunch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:25:16.562+0000)

Sucks to be a troll getting trolled eh mate?

Aylmao (Seriously though, if you aren't gonna say anything to add to the coversation, I'd appreciate it if you'd post somewhere else.)

Lux Milk Drinker2 votes

look like you get well deserved trolling. im glad he did that

HEAljvLykd1 votes

You got rekt mate.

Tribbles Foxfolk4 votes

[{quoted}](name=King Crunch,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=omV3rLbA,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-12-18T23:15:59.824+0000)

You got rekt mate.

Very insightful reply with great attention to detail. (Great Kappa)

Pierce The Veal1 votes

Talking about trolls that grief, I had to deal with a Tahm that today that would prevent me from getting kills by devouring me, and at the same time he'd throw me into their team 1v5 to die several times. And the thing is It's really hard to consistently have to keep track of when your teammate is trying to get you killed. It's really fricking hard.

@GRRRLEEE could you look into making it so that players who have to deal with a troll tahm can press some sort of button like a mute button to make it so he can't devour them any longer. Because this is honestly very aggravating.

Samus721 votes

I think it was Tantrum that said Riot was hesitate to add a player block system because it would interfere with the match making system and we'd all be in queue longer. I would agree with this. But at the same time, I understand the frustration at having to play once again with a jerk who made me want to surrender just to get away from them.

Caffeine Pusher1 votes

This is the most glaring failure of Riot's behavior system. If someone says something negative (which is easily resolved by muting that person) then there are automated systems in place to rapidly restrict or ban that player from the game. But if they deliberately play like garbage, and never make textual reference to it, then they are completely immune to punishment. This latter type of behavior is something players cannot resolve on their own by simply muting, so we need Riot to do something for us to fix it. And yet, they've taken no steps towards addressing this problem, and simply pat themselves on the back for ever more efficiently banning players based on what they type, which is absolutely useless.

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