Even America's judicial system is open to public (tribunal works) so what makes RIOT think their current method of Judge, Jury, Executioner is better than that? All I'm saying is that the judicial system should be open. Not hidden away. If you are going to do a punishment, at least be open to criticism about it.
AeroWaffle4 votesWhat would you call the chat logs that are handed to the player?
UMADDBRAHHH1 votesA fifth amendment.
theArtifacts1 votesA fifth amendment.
Just by saying that you've admitted you're in the wrong.
Magical Player4 votesAmerica judicial system is not open to the public
Try walking into a court house and live streaming an ongoing case , stopped at the door.Ever wonder why the press is out front of the courthouse..... Some cases allow for an audience, but those are not all cases(go try to join a civil hearing between Mother, Father over their kid) Only cases that pertain to public are open court cases
A player being punished for something does not affect the community as a whole. It affects an individual, riot is doing near Identical to open court style.
to further my point, information that would be considered bad for someones reputation is given solely back to the user. It is not made public. Sounds alot like the reform cards..... Prove to people you weren't at fault , shows reform card, ahh yes you were, XYZ reasons. I'm not saying that transparency is bad, im saying you don't understand what already exists.
Look into riots banning system, submit a ticket to ask how its handled, or you know come to the forums to post the questions.
Someone is bound to be of help, but few will ever agree with your base opinion
UMADDBRAHHH1 votesStill open to public enough to be judged by the peers. I don't need a company slave to judge me
theArtifacts1 votesStill open to public enough to be judged by the peers. I don't need a company slave to judge me
Technically you are judged by your peers each and every single game. If you're reported it's cause your peers feel you've been breaking the summoners code. Riot reviews this and passes judgement and sentencing based on their outlines.
YerroFever1 votes[{quoted}](name=Magical Player,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oe8GRb8c,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2017-01-07T17:01:36.623+0000)
America judicial system is not open to the public
Try walking into a court house and live streaming an ongoing case , stopped at the door.Ever wonder why the press is out front of the courthouse..... Some cases allow for an audience, but those are not all cases(go try to join a civil hearing between Mother, Father over their kid) Only cases that pertain to public are open court cases
A player being punished for something does not affect the community as a whole. It affects an individual, riot is doing near Identical to open court style.
to further my point, information that would be considered bad for someones reputation is given solely back to the user. It is not made public. Sounds alot like the reform cards..... Prove to people you weren't at fault , shows reform card, ahh yes you were, XYZ reasons. I'm not saying that transparency is bad, im saying you don't understand what already exists.
Look into riots banning system, submit a ticket to ask how its handled, or you know come to the forums to post the questions.
Someone is bound to be of help, but few will ever agree with your base opinion
You're not allowed to give away the identities of the jurors. That's why you're not allowed to take pictures of the courtroom or have the press inside because it is meant to protect the lives of the jurors. You can go in person for most criminal cases though.
Magical Player1 votesYou're not allowed to give away the identities of the jurors. That's why you're not allowed to take pictures of the courtroom or have the press inside because it is meant to protect the lives of the jurors. You can go in person for most criminal cases though.
Seriously, did you pull a post from a month ago to bring back up........................................... Why did you cite me, if you agree with me........................
Kei1432 votesnew behavioral features in regards to visibility coming soon™ after the new client is up and running smoothly.
Brutalitops011 votesThey are relatively open about it in that, if you do some research, you can learn what the system does. There's an automated system that gets rid of most of the fake reports, things like people reporting someone for just having a bad game. Any that make it through the automated system are given to a group of Rioters to be handled. The Rioters review the case and decide again if they should be punished at all. The punishments are always the same depending on the number of offenses: the first few is a chat restriction, then a 1 week ban, then a 2 week ban, and finally a permanent ban. Tyler1 is the only person who has ever pissed Riot off enough that they decided to permanently ban him as a person rather than as an account.
Me, personally, I think we should go back to the old Tribunal system. Maybe have the automated system sift out the fakes, like we do now, and then anyone who gets through goes to the Tribunal on the website for them to decide whether or not to punish. The Tribunal had fans of the game be the ones deciding whether or not to punish, and gave them access to the chat logs and things like that.
UMADDBRAHHH1 votesI want tribunal back. I don't want the automated process to determine my sentence.
Brutalitops011 votesI want tribunal back. I don't want the automated process to determine my sentence.
The automated system doesn't determine your sentence, it decides if you're a fake report or not (for example, getting reported for inting because you had a bad game). If you don't get disregarded as a fake report, a rioter reviews it and decides punishment. I agree that it should be the tribunal instead, but it's not.
Sarutobi1 votesThey are working on the Tribunal it was heavily abused and was just an automatic punished. The reason why it's taking this long is because they want it to actually work this time, and not have to rework it (again) just to get it right.
I rather them take their time to give us a good feature that can help improve the game than half ass it and release a semifuncational product. I mean companies nowadays already do that and look at the things "fan" say about it. Now you have Riot taking their time to give us something good and people bitch out it taking too long!
Flaherty1 votesIn the context that punishments are given, to people breaking rules in an online game, I'd say yes their system is better. Revealing how they figure out who to punish would just allow people to easily game the system.
KVbqbFsC8e1 votesThey can do that because its their game. Just look at what they did to Monte.
YerroFever1 votesI didn't necro you, people were posting on the thread yesterday.
Also, I don't agree with you on why things should be completely transparent but I wasn't going to go into it because everyone else had already said what was needed to be said.
I'm pointing out why exactly your example isn't correct to use in this scenario.
Not only is your justification wrong by comparing Riot punishment systems to the American criminal justice system, you demonstrated why you had no idea the actual photo and video that are taken at court are outside the court.
Reporters are allowed inside and can take notes on what happens and report what is going on, which is why your comparison is flawed and not relevant.