League's ban system is geared to coddle whiners. It's costing them money, and their new player base.

420inPortland·Jan 13, 2019·1 votes·2,742 views

Please take the poll at the botton of this post. TY on advance...

(In the interest of full disclosure, I should mention that I am on day 2 of a 14-day suspension. I think I was suspended for calling some troll a F*****. I am, or was Honor lvl 5, Silver IV rank, and have never had any infractions before. No chat warning, or restriction. No nothing.)

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

Let me start by giving a little background on myself as a gamer. I have been gaming for 35yrs. My first gaming console came with wood grain paneling. ( Love u 2600 <3 ) I had been gaming for almost 20 yrs before "internet gaming" was even a thing. I am fairly new to online multiplayer COMPETITIVE gaming. ( I have been busy with raising a child and getting my degree in computer science since internet gaming has been around and had no time, lol.) So this is all fairly new to me. Although I have played many online, non-competitive games.

I started playing LOL on April 1, 2018. In almost every game I have ever played, even in the BOTS matches, there is at LEAST 1 person stating they are "Reporting so-and-so for xyz." "Please report so-and-so." "You're Reported!!!" It had been said so many times, for so many stupid and varied reasons, whilst I had never had so much as a warning, that I honestly thought RIOT had a pretty good handle on the situation. Lots of whining from people but no action on the part of RIOT unless it was grievous. (For example, my friend got suspended for telling someone to kill themselves. Another for using the word n*****.)

If you look at the reporting form, the categories seem reasonable. Trolling, Inting, etc. Basically, if your being an asshole and trying to scuttle your team, then there are, and need to be, consequences. This is reasonable. Using some 3rd party app or scripting to cheat the system? Report them so RIOT can get rid of these cheating assholes as fast as you can. Ban them, after issuing a warning, in case there is a genuine misunderstanding of what IS allowed. (There are a lot of apps out there especially if you are a streamer etc... and sometimes they do things you didn't even know they did that violate the rules. Or maybe this is just my age and lack of experience with competitive gaming, where ppl would even use such apps, showing itself.)

My issue comes in when people are jammed up for the chat, no matter what they say. I didn't even get a warning or chat suspension, I got my whole acct suspended 1st time out. In a game where everyone has the ability to MUTE any other person's chat, pings, and even emotes, it seems there are plenty of protections for those with feelers that might get bent. There is no reason that a player should be disciplined for what they say in the chat. PERIOD. I think there is a box for Racist/Sexist comments on the form, but even that should not be covered by the disciplinary process.

If some racist troll is harassing you, you have the ability to mute them. Problem solved.

There seems to be a general attitude of whining and need for retribution in this community though. It's not good enough that they don't have to see the racist communications, for example. They want that player suspended, or banned. They want that person PUNISHED by god!!! From where I'm sitting, it looks to me like RIOT panders to these pussies.

In a competitive environment, people are gonna get pissed and talk shit. ALWAYS. This is not like traditional sports setting either, where the ref will eject you for unsportsmanlike conduct for being racist or whatever. The unique anonymity provided by the internet, and because the constraint that your opponent whom you made the racist comment punching you in the mouth is not present, LOL matches more resemble a game of pickup basketball than an organized sport. Everyone loosely agrees to the rules and attempts to follow them. When something not expected by all occurs though, or some chump who sucks at ball wanders onto the court, tempers will flare. Sometimes from differing opinions about the same event, and mouths will tend to run. Usually spewing things that would not be tolerated in the NBA.

This is street ball though, and you need to tighten up and shake off the shit they are spewing. You knew going in you might catch an elbow, or hear some shit talked about your mom, so quit being a li'l bitch. RIOT already let you be more coddled than in real life. Out there people will say off the wall shit to you and you can't hit the mute button.

Being a college educated man, I went through the forums for the last couple yrs looking for examples of what got others banned. I wanted to see if the reasons, in general, seemed to be due to grievous chat comments, or just the usual shit talking. I think the one that sealed it for me was when the tribunal system was still active and someone was disciplined for calling another person a "NOOB." The moderator told the player that it was intended to make the opponent "feel bad."

Firstly, DUH!!! Secondly, I would say this shows the general attitude of RIOT. They don't want you to say anything to anyone that they might not like. Well that's not how life works.

I have spent roughly $100 on my acct. To some, this might not be a lot. To me, it is a significant investment for something that isn't a bill. Now I risk losing it because some people think this is their safe space, where all the chat they are exposed to should be positive? Give me a fuckin break. I can tell you right now that I will not sink another dime into this game. If I can be banned for things other than cheating or trying to throw a game, etc, I'll save my money for buying new smurf accts as mine are banned.

I started several of my friends playing, but now recommend they do not spend money on this game since they can have it ripped away just for hurting some little kids, or other pussies, feelings. I have also told anyone else who asks not to even start playing the game. Why would they want to play a game where general chatter, including the shit-talking most ppl who play competitive games of any kind expect, and even enjoy, isn't just discouraged, it can get your actual investment snatched from you at any time?

I don't know where RIOT expects any new player-base to come from with this attitude either. Maybe it is an age thing, but everyone I know that I have told about the situation is completely dumbfounded. We just cannot believe that RIOT is actually screwing people out of money for hurting someone's feelings.

It also creates an environment even worse than the "toxicity" they want to stop because everyone is ALWAYS gonna report you for something. I almost quit Day 1 because I had so many people THREATENING that they were "Reporting" me, while I had absolutely no idea what in the flying fuck they were even talking about. This even after announcing in the pre-game chat that I was a noob. If I was a soft as the rest of the pussies in LOL, all of the THREATS of being "Reported" would have made me quit.

I play LOL for the competition, not for the reward of skins or whatever. So basically, if I invest no money and you ban my acct, I don't care. I will buy a smurf and be back on the rift before the next match. But you will be losing the money I would have otherwise spent on things, losing the money of all my friends who won't be buying things now, and further driving the smurf market. I will also dissuade anyone I can from starting LOL, or spending any money, for the reasons already mentioned. None of which are things I want to do. That said, people should know they can be screwed out of their money for nothing before they start playing LOL though. Frankly, if I had known what RIOT's attitude was regarding the chat specifically, I might not have started playing LOL, and I damn sure wouldn't have spent any of my hard earned money on it. I wouldn't pay to play competitive anything with a bunch of whiny pussies.

On the whole, the idea of trying to ban people for chat violations is impractical and seems shortsighted on the part of RIOT to me. Someone is always going to be butthurt by something, and it seems the better approach would be to steer those people to the MUTE button and leave the rest of us alone.

I am very interested what others think, so please take the poll, and let me know if I'm alone in this ...

60 Comments

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 201921 votes

A starting recommendation: if what you're seeking is an actual conversation, it helps not to so obviously bias yourself against discourse with poll options like those you've provided.

That said, it's important to note that Riot doesn't ban everything that upsets people: I get reports here and there from what my data request showed, but I've never been banned -- and I'm often snarky, sarcastic, or teasing in chat. There's a lot of stuff you are allowed to say. Insults, harassment, and hate speech just aren't allowed. Some good-natured ribbing or even a bit of friendly trash talk is allowed, but it dependent on the tone, context, and game environment.

The other catch here is that internet gaming is evolving. What passed as "gamer culture" 10-15 years ago doesn't necessarily equate to the culture of today. Surprisingly, a lot of us simply don't want to be harassed. It's not that I can't take it, or that I need a "safe space" -- it's simply that I prefer to spend my leisure time not having people insult me, and not having to take steps to avoid it. Just like I'll choose a bar that doesn't make me simply find my own ways to avoid people screaming insults in my face but instead employs a bouncer to handle problematic patrons, I'll choose a game that doesn't invite that sort of behavior and deem it acceptable.

If you don't like that, that's fine -- League may not be the game for you. You may want the more confrontational environment, but, in that case, I would encourage you to find games that already foster that. League doesn't have to change simply because you're not comfortable with behavioral rules, especially when there are other games do cater to the sort of environment you prefer.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-13T17:45:13.831+0000)

A starting recommendation: if what you're seeking is an actual conversation, it helps not to so obviously bias yourself against discourse with poll options like those you've provided.

That said, it's important to note that Riot doesn't ban everything that upsets people: I get reports here and there from what my data request showed, but I've never been banned -- and I'm often snarky, sarcastic, or teasing in chat. There's a lot of stuff you are allowed to say. Insults, harassment, and hate speech just aren't allowed. Some good-natured ribbing or even a bit of friendly trash talk is allowed, but it dependent on the tone, context, and game environment.

The other catch here is that internet gaming is evolving. What passed as "gamer culture" 10-15 years ago doesn't necessarily equate to the culture of today. Surprisingly, a lot of us simply don't want to be harassed. It's not that I can't take it, or that I need a "safe space" -- it's simply that I prefer to spend my leisure time not having people insult me, and not having to take steps to avoid it. Just like I'll choose a bar that doesn't make me simply find my own ways to avoid people screaming insults in my face but instead employs a bouncer to handle problematic patrons, I'll choose a game that doesn't invite that sort of behavior and deem it acceptable.

If you don't like that, that's fine -- League may not be the game for you. You may want the more confrontational environment, but, in that case, I would encourage you to find games that already foster that. League doesn't have to change simply because you're not comfortable with behavioral rules, especially when there are other games do cater to the sort of environment you prefer.

I fail to see how the responses are an issue. I am biased, I wrote an opinion post. It seems pretty clear that you either agree or disagree.

Your responses to the content of the chat are beside the point. My issue is that you are disciplining people at all for free speech. Gaming culture? It should remain free for all it has always been. Your bar analogy also falls short. If you could mute anyone at the tavern, there is no reason not to go there. What we are talking about is a philosophy about the gaming environment and the unreasonable expectation that RIOT seems to have where everyone must be positive... I think it's the dumbest shit I ever heard, and want to know what others think. I may be in the minority, I don't know. That's why I put the poll in.

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20198 votes

{quoted}I fail to see how the responses are an issue.

Basically, because you've made your poll as a win-win for your argument, while making it seem like you want discussion. As written you can either claim that League needs to just have everyone suck it up, or "prove" that everyone wants a safe space. You don't actually have a place for feedback from, say, someone like me.

Your responses to the content of the chat are beside the point. My issue is that you are disciplining people at all for free speech. Gaming culture? It should remain free for all it has always been.

Many things that "have always been" changed. That's how civilization grows and changes. You may not like the change, but change happens.

Your bar analogy also falls short. If you could mute anyone at the tavern, there is no reason not to go there.

Sure there is -- I have to take the time to get insulted before discovering someone feels like being a jerk, or mute everyone in advance and miss out on interesting conversation.

I may be in the minority, I don't know. That's why I put the poll in.

Then actually make your poll options gives room for the varied opinions on the subject by toning down the bias in the polling answers.

It's also worth noting that you are in the minority. Riot based their current rules on the input generated by player decisions on the Tribunal program, and it is a learning program that learns from what behavior is and is not reported. "KYS" didn't used to flag as zero-tolerance, for example -- but it got added very quickly when the system realized how often and how reliably people flagged it as inappropriate.

If everyone stopped reporting for "moron" tomorrow, within a few days "moron" would likely be considered a fine thing to call someone. The players do have power here.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:12:21.493+0000)

Basically, because you've made your poll as a win-win for your argument, while making it seem like you want discussion. As written you can either claim that League needs to just have everyone suck it up, or "prove" that everyone wants a safe space. You don't actually have a place for feedback from, say, someone like me.

Many things that "have always been" changed. That's how civilization grows and changes. You may not like the change

Sure there is -- I have to take the time to get insulted before discovering someone feels like being a jerk, or mute everyone in advance and miss out on interesting conversation.

Then actually make your poll options gives room for the varied opinions on the subject by toning down the bias in the polling answers.

It's also worth noting that you are in the minority. Riot based their current rules on the input generated by player decisions on the Tribunal program, and it is a learning program that learns from what behavior is and is not reported. "KYS" didn't used to flag as zero-tolerance, for example -- but it got added very quickly when the system realized how often and how reliably people flagged it as inappropriate.

If everyone stopped reporting for "moron" tomorrow, within a few days "moron" would likely be considered a fine thing to call someone. The players do have power here.

Maybe I should call in a consulting firm to make sure all opinions can be polled. Silly me to assume that any discussion that wasn't a quick yes/no would happen in the chat rather than the poll? If I am in the minority that s fine. I will have to find a place where people aren't so easily offended.

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20198 votes

{quoted}Maybe I should call in a consulting firm to make sure all opinions can be polled.

Nah. Just provide a Yes/No and ask for reasons why. You'll get more usable data.

Silly me to assume that any discussion that wasn't a quick yes/no would happen in the chat rather than the poll?

Then your poll isn't really helpful, as it doesn't include a subset of your data and does include an inherent bias. It's responsive bias, and it basically renders your results unreliable and relatively useless.

If I am in the minority that s fine. I will have to find a place where people aren't so easily offended.

I would recommend finding another game, yes. League has put a lot of research into this, and the system is based on that research and on player input. Best of luck to you.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:23:20.679+0000)

Nah. Just provide a Yes/No and ask for reasons why. You'll get more usable data.

Then your poll isn't really helpful, as it doesn't include a subset of your data and does include an inherent bias. It's responsive bias, and it basically renders your results unreliable and relatively useless.

I would recommend finding another game, yes. League has put a lot of research into this, and the system is based on that research and on player input. Best of luck to you.

oh, I'd say it's told me exactly what I needed to know.

TrulyBlandJan 13, 20196 votes

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oh, I'd say it's told me exactly what I wanted to know.

ftfy You set up the poll in a way so that either result reinforces your point of view. Either people "admit" to being precisely the strawman that you aim to fight, or they support your point of view that the system should be removed.

It's the poll-equivalent of "Heads I win, tails you lose".

Frontline FuryJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-13T17:45:13.831+0000)

A starting recommendation: if what you're seeking is an actual conversation, it helps not to so obviously bias yourself against discourse with poll options like those you've provided.

That said, it's important to note that Riot doesn't ban everything that upsets people: I get reports here and there from what my data request showed, but I've never been banned -- and I'm often snarky, sarcastic, or teasing in chat. There's a lot of stuff you are allowed to say. Insults, harassment, and hate speech just aren't allowed. Some good-natured ribbing or even a bit of friendly trash talk is allowed, but it dependent on the tone, context, and game environment.

The other catch here is that internet gaming is evolving. What passed as "gamer culture" 10-15 years ago doesn't necessarily equate to the culture of today. Surprisingly, a lot of us simply don't want to be harassed. It's not that I can't take it, or that I need a "safe space" -- it's simply that I prefer to spend my leisure time not having people insult me, and not having to take steps to avoid it. Just like I'll choose a bar that doesn't make me simply find my own ways to avoid people screaming insults in my face but instead employs a bouncer to handle problematic patrons, I'll choose a game that doesn't invite that sort of behavior and deem it acceptable.

If you don't like that, that's fine -- League may not be the game for you. You may want the more confrontational environment, but, in that case, I would encourage you to find games that already foster that. League doesn't have to change simply because you're not comfortable with behavioral rules, especially when there are other games do cater to the sort of environment you prefer.

Off topic: what is this you say about data request?

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20193 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:30:21.683+0000)

Off topic: what is this you say about data request?

Requesting Your League Account Data.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=00000001,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:30:21.683+0000)

Off topic: what is this you say about data request?

I think they mean that we will never know how many complaints, etc you guys get about your monitoring of the chat, and disciplining ppl for it. Apparently not as many as complained their feelings were hurt and wanted it monitored???

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20194 votes

{quoted}I think they mean that we will never know how many complaints, etc you guys get about your monitoring of the chat, and disciplining ppl for it. Apparently not as many as complained their feelings were hurt and wanted it monitored???

Nope. I meant that you can request your personal account data from Riot, and see things like how many times you were reported.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=0000000100010000,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:44:29.272+0000)

Nope. I meant that you can request your personal account data from Riot, and see things like how many times you were reported.

how does one do this? I'd love to see that. Consider this my request to send the aforementioned data to my address listed with this acct...

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20192 votes

{quoted}

how does one do this? I'd love to see that. Consider this my request to send the aforementioned data to my address listed with this acct...

You use this process to start a request: Requesting Your League Account Data.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=000000010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-01-13T18:48:17.888+0000)

You use this process to start a request: Requesting Your League Account Data.

Will do thanks.

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20192 votes

{quoted}Will do thanks.

Any time!

Imperial PandaaJan 13, 20191 votes

I am under the impression that you think The Djinn is a member of Riot staff. That is not the case, he is but a community volunteer

DARCKD00MJan 13, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVwLgaox,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-01-13T17:45:13.831+0000)

A starting recommendation: if what you're seeking is an actual conversation, it helps not to so obviously bias yourself against discourse with poll options like those you've provided.

That said, it's important to note that Riot doesn't ban everything that upsets people: I get reports here and there from what my data request showed, but I've never been banned -- and I'm often snarky, sarcastic, or teasing in chat. There's a lot of stuff you are allowed to say. Insults, harassment, and hate speech just aren't allowed. Some good-natured ribbing or even a bit of friendly trash talk is allowed, but it dependent on the tone, context, and game environment.

The other catch here is that internet gaming is evolving. What passed as "gamer culture" 10-15 years ago doesn't necessarily equate to the culture of today. Surprisingly, a lot of us simply don't want to be harassed. It's not that I can't take it, or that I need a "safe space" -- it's simply that I prefer to spend my leisure time not having people insult me, and not having to take steps to avoid it. Just like I'll choose a bar that doesn't make me simply find my own ways to avoid people screaming insults in my face but instead employs a bouncer to handle problematic patrons, I'll choose a game that doesn't invite that sort of behavior and deem it acceptable.

If you don't like that, that's fine -- League may not be the game for you. You may want the more confrontational environment, but, in that case, I would encourage you to find games that already foster that. League doesn't have to change simply because you're not comfortable with behavioral rules, especially when there are other games do cater to the sort of environment you prefer.

hey pal u know what i did a post about how VAGUE AND MISLEADING the whole ''what is allowed in chat and what is not'' situation is you people dont realise or just dont wanna admit your ''punishment system'' is flawed and punishes 1: the wrong way or 2: the wrong people and 3: for some minor or first offense i lost my honor 5 after 3 years of play just for trying to explain to a guy why acting the way he did was not cool towards the team... but seems i was too negative in THIS MATCH and THE SYSTEM AND SUPPORT AGREE I DESEVRED A PUNSIHMENT.... BUT I COULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN WHAT I SAID WAS DESERVING OF A PUNISHMENT BEFORE I GOT ONE! THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE FLAW YOU DONT KNOW WHAT CAN GET YOU PUNISHED AND GETTING ONE WHEN YOU DONT DESERVE IT(AS MUCH) AS THOSE WHO REALLY ABUSE AND RUIN OTHERS PEOPLE GAMES AND GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO GO AROUND YOUR FLAWED SYSTEM AND TRAP PEOPLE WITH IT....

there has been severals posts about it and how it is mostly just another weapon for such trolls i also try and put POST INFORMING PEOPLE AND WARNING THEM ABOUT USING CHAT BECAUSE RIOT WONT BE SPECIFIC ENOUGH AS WHAT CAN GET YOU PUNISHED...

keep doing a good work at defending one fo the worst gaming company and helping them trap people into wasting time and money on something they could enjoy BUT RIOT KEEPS MAKING THEIR EXPERIENCE A BAD ONE DUE TO IT'S POLICIES AND DECISIONS!!!

onyl gaming company that tells it's player to adapt to our changes or get lost... all others try to listen to their playerbase and make the game appealing and interesting for it's MAJORITY not just it's BEST AND MOST COMPETITIVE PLAYERS....

ask yourself this: when was the last time u were '' nice to your opponent'' because you totally outskilled him.... im the only one, who gonna dare to ask the enemy if he need a tip or how new he is when i see im crushing him(wich i shouldnt be cause im NOT A GOOD PLAYER AND IDC I PLAY TO HAVE FUN!!!! keep messing up riot and friends we r watching

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20191 votes

{quoted}ask yourself this: when was the last time u were "nice to your opponent" because you totally outskilled him...

I don't remember precisely which game (I've been busy lately and haven't been playing as much League), but I'm nice to my opponents in pretty much every game I type anything to my opponents in. So...pretty frequently?

CetriJan 13, 201912 votes

Sounds like you're offended that LoL isn't a safe space for you to call others slurs.

CharDeeMcDennizJan 13, 20199 votes

nice poll...

way to completely invalidate everything you said above it

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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nice poll...

way to completely invalidate everything you said above it

How do you figure? I thought it summed up the two sides in a clear manner. I wasn't gonna take time to create 5 differing levels of responses for this. I already took plenty of time to write my post.

World peace plzJan 13, 20195 votes

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How do you figure? I thought it summed up the two sides in a clear manner. I wasn't gonna take time to create 5 differing levels of responses for this. I already took plenty of time to write my post.

Maybe add more options than only the things you wanna hear.[slayer-jinx-unamused]

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20199 votes

{quoted}

How do you figure? I thought it summed up the two sides in a clear manner. I wasn't gonna take time to create 5 differing levels of responses for this. I already took plenty of time to write my post.

A simple "Yes" and "No" would have more succinctly summed up the perspectives without the implied insult to anyone who prefers the current environments for reasons other than the implied "whining about safe spaces." Objectivity is always desirable in polls if you want the data to be usable for any worthwhile statistical analysis, as any researcher worth their salt can tell you.

AeroWaffleJan 13, 20195 votes

Not only was the poll threaded with the insult, but it implies that Riot must stop punishing people for poor chat behavior in order to improve the system that bans people for trolling.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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Not only was the poll threaded with the insult, but it implies that Riot must stop punishing people for poor chat behavior in order to improve the system that bans people for trolling.

The poll having an insult is INTENTIONAL, thanks for making the point about my post. I am saying they should not ban for chat, not that the resources should be reallocated. This WOULD improve the system in my opinion...

AeroWaffleJan 13, 20195 votes

The only point it proved is that the poll serves no purpose. It doesn't prove that it's costing Riot money or that Riot shouldn't be banning people for poor chat behavior.

It sounds like you got your answer of what the majority thinks without anyone needing to vote.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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The only point it proved is that the poll serves no purpose. It doesn't prove that it's costing Riot money or that Riot shouldn't be banning people for poor chat behavior.

It sounds like you got your answer of what the majority thinks without anyone needing to vote.

I think you're right. Everyone seems to want to jump to whether the poll is PC enough for them. Not really any statement regarding the points a made. If in agreement or disagreement. I'd say that answers the question for me of whether these people's feeling are too delicate or not. They would rather jump me about the poll offending them than discuss why they disagree. Just about par for the LOL community i guess.

usul1202Jan 13, 20198 votes

I don't think a single person I've seen comment about the poll has commented on it being PC. It's 100% about the fact that it's biased and doesn't serve the intended purpose.

On the flip side, I think you've already decided it's about being pc and that's all you're reading into it, thus ignoring everyone.

UpgradesJan 13, 20197 votes

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The poll having an insult is INTENTIONAL, thanks for making the point about my post. I am saying they should not ban for chat, not that the resources should be reallocated. This WOULD improve the system in my opinion...

Why are you intentionally putting an insult in there. What's the need and where is that going to get you?

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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Why are you intentionally putting an insult in there. What's the need and where is that going to get you?

Do you see how many comments here are about the poll rather than the content of my post? They are more concerned with the insult/bias in the poll than anything else. Further, i do not need any facts. This is my OPINION. I wanted to know what the OPINION of other ppl was. I guess I have it.

UpgradesJan 13, 20196 votes

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Do you see how many comments here are about the poll rather than the content of my post? They are more concerned with the insult/bias in the poll than anything else. Further, i do not need any facts. This is my OPINION. I wanted to know what the OPINION of other ppl was. I guess I have it.

Well you can see how throwing an insult in there doesn't get you anywhere and it strays away from what you originally wanted. Try a different method. You should apply that in-game as well. You'll get allot farther with people without that kind of context

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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Well you can see how throwing an insult in there doesn't get you anywhere and it strays away from what you originally wanted. Try a different method. You should apply that in-game as well. You'll get allot farther with people without that kind of context

I'd say the fact that that's where the focus has been giving me exactly the info I wanted. Thanks for the response though.

CharDeeMcDennizJan 13, 20195 votes

so you take the time to write a novel of a post and yet cant take 2 seconds to make a viable poll?

...sure

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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so you take the time to write a novel of a post and yet cant take 2 seconds to make a viable poll?

...sure

Seems pretty clear, either you agree or not... Or don't respond. what the hell else is required?

CharDeeMcDennizJan 13, 20192 votes

yeah I'm done here*[slayer-jinx-catface]*

XidphelJan 13, 20192 votes

I thought it summed up the two sides in a clear manner.

Indeed. Summed up your personal point of view clearly. A proper poll would be

More neutral and doesn't make one look better than the other.

UpgradesJan 13, 20198 votes

I came here to play a game, not deal with douchebags. Sure I can mute you, but that's not going to stop you from doing that shit in other games. And in terms of the money issue, you don't have to spend money on the game if you don't want to. That's your choice. And it's also your choice to violate the ToS to lose your account and all money invested. I can tell you're salty about the ban with how aggressive you're portraying this post. It's not that they're soft or they're "pussies", it's the fact that people didn't come here for that shit. It's a game dude. If you can't control yourself then don't play. Enjoy the ban

Imperial PandaaJan 13, 20196 votes

I choose option 3 in the poll:

.3. Improve trolling and griefing detection while also leaving the verbal parts in place.

GatekeeperTDSJan 13, 20194 votes

"It's costing them money, and their new player base."

Please provide some non-anecdotal sources for this and people will be much more willing and able to have a discussion with you. Your entire explanation is based on confirmation bias, that you feel they're focusing more on chat-based offenses than gameplay offenses. I assure you, there's pretty good focus on both, but one is much easier to handle automatically than the other.

"Trolling" is subjective, not objective. They can't punish someone because you feel they were trolling. Did they actually, intentionally feed? Did they sit AFK in base, but moved around enough to not get booted? Did a Tahm Kench spit you into the enemy fountain? There's a report option for those, because they're quantifiable, and it's called griefing.

Being bad at the game is not against the rules. Taking risks in an attempt to win the game is not against the rules. Picking the champions they want is not against the rules. Building the items they want is not against the rules. Refusing to listen to your orders or shotcalling, not against the rules.

As I say in many of my posts, if this game is causing you such consternation, you might want to consider looking for another entertainment outlet. Nobody should be aggravated in their free time, but you're choosing to be.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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"It's costing them money, and their new player base."

Please provide some non-anecdotal sources for this and people will be much more willing and able to have a discussion with you. Your entire explanation is based on confirmation bias, that you feel they're focusing more on chat-based offenses than gameplay offenses. I assure you, there's pretty good focus on both, but one is much easier to handle automatically than the other.

"Trolling" is subjective, not objective. They can't punish someone because you feel they were trolling. Did they actually, intentionally feed? Did they sit AFK in base, but moved around enough to not get booted? Did a Tahm Kench spit you into the enemy fountain? There's a report option for those, because they're quantifiable, and it's called griefing.

Being bad at the game is not against the rules. Taking risks in an attempt to win the game is not against the rules. Picking the champions they want is not against the rules. Building the items they want is not against the rules. Refusing to listen to your orders or shotcalling, not against the rules.

As I say in many of my posts, if this game is causing you such consternation, you might want to consider looking for another entertainment outlet. Nobody should be aggravated in their free time, but you're choosing to be.

I think you have missed the point. I don't think they should be focusing on chat AT ALL. I realize the rest is subjective, I don't usually report anyone because of that fact. My point was not where should they allocate their resources, but that none should be going to chat, and instead work on other things...

GatekeeperTDSJan 13, 20196 votes

I didn't miss the point. You have an opinion that this is costing Riot money and new players.

Please provide some sources for this that contain some verifiable data, and we'll be able to have a discussion about it.

Frontline FuryJan 13, 20192 votes

While you do make good points, i’d rather keep my safe space. Real life is harsh enough as it is - i’d like to be able to lower my shoulders, take a deep breath and relax while my jungler goes 0/6 from trying to 1v1 the enemy Yasuo.

Like seriously - i am definitely a toxic player - but i still appreciate the ban system forcing me to reign my competitive nature in. We’re all here to play the game. The chat can be an asset but is in no way necessary to play or succeed in the game.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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While you do make good points, i’d rather keep my safe space. Real life is harsh enough as it is - i’d like to be able to lower my shoulders, take a deep breath and relax while my jungler goes 0/6 from trying to 1v1 the enemy Yasuo.

Like seriously - i am definitely a toxic player - but i still appreciate the ban system forcing me to reign my competitive nature in. We’re all here to play the game. The chat can be an asset but is in no way necessary to play or succeed in the game.

Fair enough. Thanks for actually reading and answering the points in the post. Most people seem to just want to whine about the poll, lol. ;)

World peace plzJan 13, 20192 votes

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Fair enough. Thanks for actually reading and answering the points in the post. Most people seem to just want to whine about the poll, lol. ;)

Its not cause we dont agree with or tell you what you wanna hear that we are whinning.

EvilDustManJan 13, 20192 votes

You are trying to use the equivalent of u mad. If someone gets angry at the poll, clearly it means the poll is right. If they vote no, they are saying they want a safe space.

People are trying to inform you of this. You aren't clever, you are trying to be smug.

420inPortlandJan 13, 20191 votes

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UpgradesJan 13, 20193 votes

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If you can be banned for calling someone a NOOB I don't think it matters what you say. If you say anything that puckers anyone's asshole you could be in trouble. That is just broken...

You won't be banned for calling someone a noob lol. If you be more vulgar than just "noob" then yeah you possibly can be banned

ModThe DjinnJan 13, 20196 votes

{quoted}If you say anything that <removed, implication is "upsets someone"> you could be in trouble.

That's a bit of a slippery slope argument. Much like moderation here on the boards, there are things that are commonly agreed to be offensive (which are traditionally not allowed), and there are things that are not commonly agreed to be offensive (which are traditionally allowed).

Basically, this means that not everyone's opinion is moderated equally -- you may consider "noob" to be non-insulting but, as you are decidedly in the minority of League's community here, it is still punished. Likewise, the person who considers "You called that one poorly. Let's actually move as a group now, okay?" to be insulting (and that player definitely exists) will be disappointed to find out that League doesn't consider that to be insulting or harassment, even if the player feels insulted or harassed.