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Punishments for bad mouthing are too harsh!

Bobby McRobb··1 votes·510 views

Dear Riot and fellow summoners,

TL:DR version: Created this account ~2 months ago, behaved decently, lost it on one game, got a 15 day suspension.

Now i know, that BMing is a serious issue, specially in League of Legends, but i do think that adjustments could be made in the punishments for this offence. I got a 15 day suspension for negative attitude cause of one game, next punishment i will get is a permanent ban. So lets say i lose it again in a years time. My account is gone. A friend of mine got permanently suspended this way.

I would rather see chat restrictions than permanent suspensions for BMing. For example a system that gradually increases the time you get restricted from using the chat up to a permanent chat restriction. If someone is toxic enough to get a permanent chat ban, then by restricting them to use chat indefinitely immediately solves the problem without having to permanently ban them. Can't be toxic if you can't chat. Or there could be a player side way of disabling the chat all together seeing how it doesn't play a very important role in gameplay. This would help players who know they have issues with staying cool and not going on tilt. Save the game suspensions and permanent suspensions for more serious offences like griefing, intentional feeding, cheating, scripting, scamming etc. Just my thoughts.

19 Comments

Kei1434 votes

Normally you do get chat restrictions.. but if you start using hate speech or encourage others to harm themselves, it will skip punishment tiers.

Mindspeaker4 votes

Punishments for bad mouthing are too harsh!

NO they aren't in fact they are not harsh enough and take to long to actually reach perma ban imo

You were probably very toxic to receive an instant 15 day ban,

If you cant act like a positive respectful civilized human being you don't deserve to be here.

If you cant control your emotional state especially during a video game and "lose it" on players you have no one to blame but your own self control and deserve to be banned

Chermorg1 votes

This. I'll add that while you (OP) might like to see lesser penalties, the aggressor always does. The vast majority of the community either thinks the penalties are just right or even too lenient.

Bobby McRobb1 votes

I do understand that. I still think that a permanent chat ban would be a better way of punishing and dealing with the most severe cases of players. It completely deals with the toxicity issue without restricting the person of play.

Chermorg2 votes

They also tried that. Players got to thousands of "banked" chat restricted games. At that point, they turned to more subtle forms of toxicity such as trolling or griefing that are harder to detect and punish.

Mindspeaker1 votes

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They also tried that. Players got to thousands of "banked" chat restricted games. At that point, they turned to more subtle forms of toxicity such as trolling or griefing that are harder to detect and punish.

^ this

your fast you beat me to it lol

Mindspeaker3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bobby McRobb,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVEAAFvm,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-10-24T12:07:16.451+0000)

I do understand that. I still think that a permanent chat ban would be a better way of punishing and dealing with the most severe cases of players. It completely deals with the toxicity issue without restricting the person of play.

  1. if you have to be chat banned you don't deserve to play in the first place

  2. People that are chat banned have a greater risk of acting out their frustrations be doing other disruptive negative acts . AFK wandering around to try and avoid afk feeding etc.

alasarcher1 votes

BMing isnt a serious issue. Just BMing takes a long long time to get you even chat restricted. If you got 15 days ban,it was for something extreme. Hate speech, death threats or stuff like that. Scripting, cheating... are already instant perma ban. Intentional feeding (dunno what u define as griefing) is 14 days into perma ban. Its already harsh enough. As for hate speech, its far worse than intentional feeding. Intentional feeder only aims to ruin game. Nothing else. He doesnt want to hurt anyone personally on religious ,national, sexual... basis. People who use hate speech are worst scum there is.

Bobby McRobb1 votes

I used the words "whore" and "braindead". I guess i deserved it.

alasarcher2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bobby McRobb,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVEAAFvm,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-10-24T11:39:23.133+0000)

I used the words "whore" and "braindead". I guess i deserved it.

See, those things wont get u instant 14 days ban. Only way u can get 14 days ban for that is if u had chat restrictions before.

Bobby McRobb1 votes

But the thing is i never had a chat restriction and i got a 14 days suspension for this.

Sarutobi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bobby McRobb,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVEAAFvm,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-24T11:46:49.642+0000)

But the thing is i never had a chat restriction and i got a 14 days suspension for this.

Care to show us your full chatlogs?

Bobby McRobb1 votes

Game 1 Bobby McRobb: annie, why? Bobby McRobb: nice step aside Bobby McRobb: ... Bobby McRobb: jesus, draven, you suck Bobby McRobb: draven, uninstall Bobby McRobb: worthless, useless scrub Bobby McRobb: yeah, you already knew he will suck in the lobby Bobby McRobb: shut up Bobby McRobb: why no Bobby McRobb: who the fck is voting no Bobby McRobb: what? Bobby McRobb: cringe Bobby McRobb: cringe again Bobby McRobb: the way she writes is cringy Bobby McRobb: just report draven for inting Bobby McRobb: fck off you whore Bobby McRobb: just go end, retard, im delibaretly pushing top so you can do that Bobby McRobb: darius braindead? Bobby McRobb: wow, you guys are bad

Out of context, of course, it seems a lot worse than it seemed during the game. Half of this is aimed at the other team.

Anyway, i feel really bad and ashamed about this. Still surprised i got an instant 15 day ban.

Mindspeaker3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bobby McRobb,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVEAAFvm,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-24T11:51:55.884+0000)

Out of context, of course, it seems a lot worse than it seemed during the game. Half of this is aimed at the other team.

Context doesn't matter .

Your actions are that do . It does not matter why you did them because there is no justification at any time to respond the way you did

No matter what is said or done if you react to it you will and deserve to be punished just as much as the person you are reacting to if that person was also being negative

alasarcher3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bobby McRobb,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVEAAFvm,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-10-24T11:51:55.884+0000)

Out of context, of course, it seems a lot worse than it seemed during the game. Half of this is aimed at the other team.

Anyway, i feel really bad and ashamed about this. Still surprised i got an instant 15 day ban.

You got banned for "retard". "Retard" falls under category of hate speech. You are basically discriminating against people with mental development issues. Now think how many players are there who dont break any rules, but have mental problems and have been called "retard" and bullied throughout their childhood?

ModThe Djinn4 votes

Half of this is aimed at the other team.

Who are also players trying to relax and play a fun game, and are no more deserving of harassment than anyone else in the game.

Anyway, i feel really bad and ashamed about this. Still surprised i got an instant 15 day ban.

The use of "retard" and "whore" likely helped escalate you, along with the fact that there isn't anything NOT toxic in this log. When nearly 100% of your log is abusing or insulting someone, it tends to earn a slightly higher punishment.

Zombiemaster1 votes

I got a 15 day suspension for negative attitude cause of one game, next punishment i will get is a permanent ban. So lets say i lose it again in a years time. My account is gone

Not necessarily. It is entirely possible to lower your punishment tier by one if you go long enough and play enough games while showing improved behavior. The number of games played needed to do this is unknown because it's not a set amount. It will be different for each player because it's based on the player's behavior and how quickly they show reform.

As far as permanent chat restrictions go, Riot has already tried something similar to this in the form of infinitely scaling chat restrictions and it didn't work well at all. Players who racked up a high number of chat restricted games simply resorted to other forms of toxicity, like trolling and intentionally feeding, and these are significantly harder to detect and punish effectively. This not working is a large part in why Riot implemented the system we have now.

Players get 3 chances to change their behavior (less if they skip tiers for extreme behavior) before receiving a permanent ban. Those who don't change after being given these chances show that they pretty much have no intention of changing their behavior, and adding one more step before a permanent ban isn't going to change that.

Bobby McRobb1 votes

At least could we get an option of disabling the in game chat all together? I'm prone to tilting and in most of the cases i restrict myself from abusing other players, but, as you can see above, i snapped this time.

Magical Player1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Bobby McRobb,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=oVEAAFvm,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2017-10-24T12:14:42.156+0000)

At least could we get an option of disabling the in game chat all together? I'm prone to tilting and in most of the cases i restrict myself from abusing other players, but, as you can see above, i snapped this time.

There are many ways to disable the chat already 1- unbind enter key 2- move the chat box off screen 3- /muteall 4-Self control

#2,3 are put in place by riot

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