Rewarding Honors During Chat Restrictions

DrtyTrouserSnake·Jun 4, 2018·3 votes·2,526 views

I've been a toxic lately and have earned myself a 25 game chat restriction, which I realize I deserved. What if there was a way to reduce the game count by honors? Let's say for every two honors you get from randoms (People not in your pre-made) it takes off an extra game from your chat restriction. So if I were to get 2 honors, two games would be taken off my restriction instead of just one. Or instead of taking an extra game off, for every two honors, in your next game, your max amount of chats is increased, so instead of a max of 5, it could be a max of 7 or 8 (Maybe stacking?). Maybe even the ability to earn all chat back for a game with the honors? These are just simple little ideas that I think could improve Chat Restrictions. Let me know what you think.

28 Comments

AeroWaffleJun 4, 20184 votes

Getting honored will speed up your journey out of honor level 0. That's it.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20182 votes

I'm just saying, that's long term, it'd be nice if Riot implemented a little "pick me up" as short-term motivation. I'm honor level 1 I think.

mabduJun 4, 20182 votes

You're talking to deaf ears mate. The current IFS team are a disaster. I have no idea how they haven't been replaced yet.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

Just like how the balance team is barely non-existent. Been playing this game for around 3 years and the changes they are making are a joke.

ChermorgJun 4, 20182 votes

I hate to be this guy, but if you think you can do better, go help them out.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

I feel like at the point Riot is at, Tencent has completely taken control. Even if people applied there and got hired, their ideas wouldn't be take into consideration unless there was a way to make money attached to it. Money and Pro play has taken over, the average gamer isn't their demographic anymore.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

Money and pro play haven't taken over at all. I know multiple people who work for Riot - and players are still their priority in everything they do.

Tencent doesn't control Riot at all anymore than you can claim that any other company with stock in another controls it. Tencent owning Riot's stock only really gives them influence over the board of directors, and they don't actually exercise any of that influence to my knowledge - they let Riot do Riot so long as owning the stock continues to be profitable for Tencent.

Put shortly, Tencent doesn't care. Nothing has actually changed since Tencent bought the share of Riot.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

Since Tencent has taken over, there have definitely been changes. Such as champs like Lux and Ahri receiving more skins for the money while fans cry out for skins for forgotten champs. Sol has still not received a second skin, same with Camille and Taliyah. Yet Jhin is over here with 4 or 5. If you can still call them the same company they were before Tencent, I have to respectfully disagree.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

Riot has always factored money into the skins they choose to create.

They are a company, after all. I have been playing since Season 1. It has always been that aside from skins decided by non-Riot (ex: eSports skins), money is a small but albeit noticeable factor in their skin creation calendar.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

Even if you don't factor in the skins, they have changed gameplay to fit the pro's needs. If you are an adc main, you would know that he new changes to crit were not necessary and were change for changes sake. I'm not here to argue but discuss. We both have differing opinions and I think that's necessary for a board to work correctly.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

I think there was definitely changes needed to ADC itemization - it was very very boring and the same thing every single game and virtually the same between champions even.

I think you're looking at this from a view of trying to find any way to say that they've changed, but they've made changes like crit since before Tencent owned them. Large changes, that many players don't understand, but have reasoning and actually end up making the game more fun in the long run.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

You're probably right, I haven't been playing close to as long as you, I'm just going off my own personal experience. Even if you don't agree with me on the Tencent part, you really can't argue that the current balance team is doing their job very well. They have implemented many ridiculous changes, and player outcry supports that. I think Riot really needs to rethink who is leading the Balance team.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

I actually think they're doing a damn good job, when you consider all the variables. And you can't really say there's outcry just based on a couple thousand boards/reddit users. Even issues that appear to have more "traction" generally get praised later on (months down the line).

Riot thinks of the long run, and they do the best they can. If you can do better, feel free to apply, they're actually hiring a lead game designer position in LA right now. Or head over to the Gameplay boards and make a statistics based post about what change you think needs to be made.

mabduJun 4, 20182 votes

This game is super fun but it's ruined by the current feedback system. Come on Riot you make so much money you have no excuse for not creating a better system.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

I love how people are simply down voting this post when I'm simply giving a suggestion that is actually reasonable. Some people are so ignorant to Riot's shitty practices since Tencent took over and will randomly down vote for no reason. And I agree, they can easily make a better system, they are not the little indie comapany they used to be.

ChermorgJun 4, 20182 votes

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted. I do think that it wouldn't hurt to implement something such as: getting honors during your chat restriction from non-premade teammates will result in you gaining chat faster during the game (ex: 5 seconds faster per message per game you're honored in) or getting an extra message or two at the start.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

Exactly, that would be a good thing to implement. And if you get reported during your restriction the timer increases. I honestly think this would be a great help to those trying to reform.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

Well.. I disagree.

If they're reported, and it's valid, they obviously aren't phased by the chat restriction and it's not working. A valid report while on an active punishment should immediately escalate to the next highest punishment.

If someone's on punishment and still didn't care to improve, the punishment didn't work and harsher punishment needs applied.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

But what if it wasn't valid, I have known people to be punished by the IFS just for having cuss words. I know that's the not the case super often, but that does happen. I feel like for a game that online play isn't rated by ESRB, they punish people for using swears more than they should. Again, often people get what they deserve, but using a bot to ban/restrict people is a little ridiculous for such a massive company.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

I would love for you to link me to someone punished only for cursing, but no bad behavior.

The IFS does not "scan for keywords" - it doesn't care if you fucking curse so long as you aren't doing so while violating the rules. Swears are not prohibited at all.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

I don't know how reliable this is, but this guy supposedly got restricted for cussing and nothing else. I have also had people I know be restricted for telling people to "Shut the fuck up" and nothing more. Chat Restricted for Cursing

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

If you'd read the comments and the chat logs, they were not punished for cussing. Their attitude was that of an ass the entire game, they repeatedly flamed teammates, and they gave up and continually tried to pressure their team to give up in chat.

I strongly suspect this is the case for your friends as well - they refuse to admit they were toxic in game, and as such they try to claim it was "for nothing" when they're really just leaving out 99% of the information.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

I was in those games, they were not toxic besides for the "Shut the fuck up." I don't know if it was a rare case of IFS scanning, I know Riot can't go through every game personally, but their system is definitely flawed. I know this is off topic, but I heard last season, honor was sped up and it was still a ridiculously tedious climb. I barely reached level 3 and I was constantly receiving honors.

ChermorgJun 4, 20181 votes

The system is actually very close to perfect (but not perfect). I have been on the boards for well over a year now. I have seen a number of false positives that I can count on one hand (less than 5), and they were quickly reversed.

You are either misremembering the games, your friends are leaving out that the punishment was based on more than one game, or something else is fishy. The system does not ever just "scan" the log - it always performs a holistic review of the chat and assigns it a "toxicity score" - which for one sentence of "shut the fuck up" would be close to if not 0.

XidphelJun 4, 20181 votes

Because he got a 25-game chat restriction. That, in and of itself, is a crime and the fact that he was being a good sport about it doesn't matter.

ModUlanopoJun 4, 20182 votes

I can understand the appeal of the idea in general, but it goes against the notion of reform. Simply put, Honor is not always - or even frequently - awarded for being a positive person. Often it's nothing more than a reflection of performance (I know I get more Honor when we win and when I do well). Given that the punished player doesn't have any control over this (they can't guarantee they'll do well every game) and because it isn't direct feedback on the behavior that got them in trouble to begin with, I feel this would ultimately not work.

DrtyTrouserSnakeJun 4, 20181 votes

There should be two different honors for each player. One for someone who played well (maybe they carried or really assisted the team) and another for being kind or fun. I know this is really kinda reaching, but I think it could work. Also, bringing back honoring enemy teams would really be a blessing. Some of the best people I've played with (Personality wise) have been on the opposite team.

ModUlanopoJun 4, 20181 votes

Simpler is better. Much better.