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Ulquiorra0123·8/26/2018, 4:21:58 PM·1 votes·1,565 views

"There’s a couple of things Tribunal brought that we know we haven’t tackled in a big way, like more focus on trolling and intentional feeding detection (though we are continuing to iterate on how we detect these) and more agency to make it feel like you’re really having an impact on unsportsmanlike behaviors."

This quote is the most PR BS response I have ever seen from this company. The entire community knows there is absolutely nothing in place to detect these players outside of sending in a support ticket directly to Riot. I can't name shame here, but I have 2 people on my friends list who intentionally feed the majority of their games because they find it fun when people get angry at them. How many punishments you think they have to date? 1? 4? Nah dude, 0. Not even a single warning. They don't care if they get banned, they can just make another account. That is their mentality.

I understand people defending the current system. It does a very good job at moderating chat. Congratulations, but we need player moderation of gameplay. To say that something like Tribunal won't be coming back anytime soon is a slap in the face to everyone asking for it FOR THE RIGHT REASON. When people ask for Tribunal again I don't think they want the version of Tribunal that covers everything, I am pretty sure they still want the automated system for chat, and Tribunal to be just for intentional feeding or griefing reports.

The final thing is, the argument that it will be slow is ridiculous, because at least it will be something to deal with players who decide they no longer care about the game and just run it down mid. Even if it is slow, it will start to shift the mentality of people who think about griefing games. If people start getting punished, those who don't want to lose their account just won't do it anymore (this is very likely a vast majority of players who grief games). In my eyes the moment you run it down is the moment that you decide you no longer have an account. Maybe that is a bit harsh, but I personally think that should be the stance Riot takes. YOU NEED PLAYER MODERATION FOR THIS. No automated system will ever be good enough at catching intentional feeders, in fact its more likely to ban players for just playing bad. If Riot is unwilling to use player moderation for griefing, just don't bother even trying to stop it. There will be way too much co-lateral damage.

11 Comments

Imperial Pandaa8/26/2018, 4:38:26 PM8 votes

Here is the thing. I honestly don't trust thr playerbase to make an accurate decision.

"Oh, this person went champ x in position y? Troll!"

"Oh, this person went 0/11/17? Feeder!"

Hell, there is a post about someone who feels they got an improper ban currently active on the boards. Giving it a quick once over nothing seems off asides from a 30 second afk moment and a 2 minute one. Something that many may not pay attention to is if that player ever used their ult though.

The other thing is speed, as you brought up. With how often people cry wolf for gameplay "offenses" the queue would be drowning in cases. "Reee. This player wasn't banned." Random notification 7 months later "who da fuck did I report?".

Does it suck that gameplay takes longer to detect and punish? Yes.

Chermorg8/26/2018, 4:32:55 PM5 votes

They said more focus. Not more detection, and not more accuracy.

INTENT is next to impossible to detect, be it for humans or a computer. That's why it sometimes goes unpunished in what you think is an obvious case. Because Riot will not risk punishing innocent players just to make you happy.

AeroWaffle8/26/2018, 4:53:05 PM5 votes

What makes you think that player-driven moderation wont also result in collateral damage? Have you seen how easily people start throwing out intentional feeding accusations?

Subdue8/26/2018, 4:29:00 PM3 votes

You may think it's simple solution, but it's really not. For one thing, the moment running it down mid is instant permanent ban, people may stop doing it, but that doesn't mean they won't do something else. Like intentionally not participate in teamfights. Or bait teamfights and then back away to get people killed. There is a myriad of "soft" troll tactics that are far more difficult to catch. And what's even more complicated is that the very same activity can be soft troll or poor play depending on your MMR. Engaging your opponent when you're well behind in Diamond + is often soft trolling because by that point everyone has a good idea of when they're ahead and when they're behind, but in Silver, it's basically the norm.

Darth Rodan8/26/2018, 6:12:11 PM1 votes

There is nothing more irritating in this game than an ally who stands right next to you in a team fight but does nothing to help. He just watches you die and waits for a champion to last-hit because he wants free kills for himself.

If you can develop a system to punish for that, I promise on my life I will never rage or act toxic towards other players again.

Kei1438/26/2018, 7:04:49 PM1 votes

I think player moderated gameplay will cause just as much colateral dmg.

The easy inting and trolling cases, people may be able to moderate, but if Riot were able to find a way to code this properly, it'll be easy to automate.

The soft trolling gets very hard even with the human eye.