Is picking Dianna bot/adc consider trolling?

AnCa·3/30/2016, 4:39:31 PM·2 votes·896 views

So its dynamic queue, you know you are going to be in that bot/adc position. And you pick Dianna. That is trolling right?

What makes it worst is the player is a Diamond player from last season in a normal game, so yes that said person would still win the lane due to the skill difference. But that just ruined the game for me and the rest of the oppenent team. (I am on the Dianna team, we won the game. But it has little to do with strategy or picking correctly.) Its like a heavy weight wrestler join a small time local club tournament just to act all high and mighty and beat up all the contestent.

I shouldn't have to sit here play a game with a player way out of my league in terms of skill level and cooperate with his/her shanagans/troll pick. I just want to play a simple normal no troll pick league of legends is that so much to ask.

Edit: So it seems the general concent is, it is ok to pick off meta pick. As long as you win. The problem I have with this is you would not know if you win or not until the end of the game. And this is result oriented, not cause oriented.

For people who would not mind off meta pick just because it says, "bot". Yes Riot try to add in diversity in the bot position, so they tried with Mord. The experiment of Mordikasier has come and gone, in an objective sense we can all ask ourselves has it worked out? Just look at all the data, it probably is no. "Bot" is still really an "adc" or more accurately "marksman" position. Statiscally, a team needs to pick a champion in the team with some range auto attack since teamfight and tower seiging is much easier with one such carry, and it just so happen that carry goes to the "bot" position. Currently as it stands, its gimping your chance of winning by picking anything of not marksman at that position. If you want to play a Dianna bot game, you can just get 4 other players with you who also loves playing Dianna bot and make a team around that.

And let me ask you this would you want a dianna bot at your rank game? Probably not. So why would I want a dianna bot at my normal game? And if you want to say "you try hard in normal? you are silly". Yes I try to win my normal games, don't you? You would not go into a normal game and be like "hmm I want to lose this game now".

That aside, I have no problem with breaking the meta for a strategical advantage. But in this case, it is someone doing it not because of that, but rather with a superior skill level to pull off a stunt and force others to cooperate. It is certainly not fun for the oppenent team facing a Diamond level player. And it is not fun for our team to cooperate with someone just so we do not lose and waste our time playing a hopeless game.

19 Comments

alasarcher3/30/2016, 4:47:50 PM5 votes

There is no such thing as "trolling" when it comes to picking champions. Any champion can be picked on any position. Also there is no ADC in dynamic queue, only BOTTOM. U know why? Because u are encouraged to pick anything there, to try and change meta. To try different stuff. Troll pick doesnt exist. Also be careful , if u call them trolls they can report u for verbal abuse. Also did u ever see in report options "troll" or "troll pick"? No of course not. There is even entire youtube video series from Solwolf where he picks all kind of stuff on different lanes: Sona Jungle, Singed+ blitz Duo bot...

FioraWillCarry3/30/2016, 5:03:57 PM4 votes

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So its dynamic queue, you know you are going to be in that bot/adc position. And you pick Dianna. That is trolling right?

God I'm so tired of this ridiculous level of slavish devotion to "meta comps". And the most silly thing out of all this, is that the vast majority of you don't even know why the meta is the meta. I recently ran into this when I played Kayle bot. People were crying about it being a troll pick too.

Before you go calling your allies trolls for not picking Tristana or Vayne bot please try to understand why this "meta" is prevalent in the 1st place. An ADC is necessary for sustain damage. Sustained damage is a MUST if you are going up against a comp that have tanks. And ranged sustain damage champions are also great at sieging towers. Two champions are placed in the bottom in order to have an easier time taking Dragons.

So if somebody locks in Diana bot. Instead of being a dick, lock in a ranged sustain damage champ for your lane. Kayle(Jg, Mid, Top), Azir(Mid), Kindred(Jg) or any AD carry champ top. You still have two people bottom so you can take Dragons as usuall and you still have sustain damage for the late game when tanks start becoming a problem.

FrankerX3/30/2016, 9:12:20 PM3 votes

HOW in the world did you manage to write that much wall of text, when your question is a simple yes or no question?

SuperGlide3/30/2016, 7:39:05 PM3 votes

Riot has confirmed that off-meta is ok, not sure why this is even a topic.

Ozag the Mighty3/30/2016, 5:42:09 PM2 votes

That's like saying Mordekaiser can't be an ADC...wrong I've seen plenty of metal men tear teams apart as an adc

Kei1433/30/2016, 7:02:57 PM2 votes

{quoted} Edit: So it seems the general concent is, it is ok to pick off meta pick. As long as you win.

Acutally, its OK to pick off meta, providing if you are TRYING to win and not just purposely ruining the game for others.

Smurfing is another problem entirely.

HexaDecimel3/30/2016, 8:37:04 PM2 votes

You could see a vayne, kalista, or tristana picked bot. Just because they are a traditional adc doesn't mean the player will do well on them. Simply picking an adc because its bot lane does nothing to ensure you a better chance at winning the game. I generally go support and I have been paired with a Lee Sin, Zed, exc. And we normally won the lane really hard and snowballed into other lanes because the opposing bot lane had no clue how to counter it. Playing what you are best at is normally better then playing what someone else says is best.

And sure, if you are going to play ranked it is a good idea to learn a couple strong champions for the position you are playing and also learn how to counter them. But even in a ranked game it is perfectly acceptable for players to make unorthodox picks in order to throw off the enemy team and gain an advantage. As long as you have practiced it and are confident you can help you team.

And in the end the fact is that its just normals. The purpose of normals is to provide a fun and competitive environment where you can play, practice, and experiment without the pressure of losing rank. Sure, it is very inconsiderate if a player locks in a terrible champion and proceeds to feed the entire game. But you don't get to make a judgement until the game is over. Just because someone picks off meta doesn't mean they are trying to lose and it is incredibly narrow minded to assume such.

I personally use normals to play champions I have never played before. That doesn't mean I am intentionally trying to decrease the chances of my team winning. It means that I am learning to use a champion in a more challenging environment and not taking them into ranked until I am ready. If I was able to learn Azir as a support and can play it well then whos to say I am trolling. When it comes to picking champions, there is no such thing as trolling unless the individual is intentionally trying to ruin the game.

GamblerOfLives3/30/2016, 6:58:55 PM2 votes

i used to play rengar bot, before the nerfs..in ranked games and diamond elo..would usually stomp the lane..was pretty funny:)

DrCyanide3/30/2016, 5:28:00 PM1 votes
  1. "Dynamic Queue" is having 2-5 players in Ranked. It has nothing to do with positions.
  2. If they are playing to win, they're not trolling.

I had a Ranked game where our Bot picked Pantheon . They contributed decently to the team, going 5/7/6. Our problem was our 0/13/0 Poppy top. The unconventional pick wasn't the problem, it was the player who wasn't even trying that was the problem.

Tyrone Lannister3/30/2016, 4:53:33 PM1 votes

Thats pretty troll if it loses. If it wins, who cares

Julanus3/30/2016, 5:07:24 PM1 votes

Picking a non-Marksman to go into Bot lane is not trolling.

In reality, the "Bot" position is for any champion to play. This is primarily to promote champion diversity and to encourage trying new or different things.

I've often found just changing Bot to a Mage can win lane a lot more easily just because people are so used to seeing a Marksman in the position. When things are different, people panic and make poor plays.

I would say it's good to play with different things. Getting used to the same thing for too long can make games stagnant and repetitive, and makes it much more difficult to learn and improve.


All that said, if the player is truly a Diamond player, then they'll climb and you won't likely see them again.

If a player picks a champion that doesn't conform to the meta (if they pick a champion for a lane they don't normally play in), that act itself is not trolling. It would depend much more on the intentions and actions of the player doing so.

FioraWillCarry3/30/2016, 5:13:12 PM1 votes

Another thing. Marksmen are even less necessary now that they were before. Before late Season 5, only AD champions could do more damage to towers as the game progressed. But now auto attacks against turrets scale with AP as well. So marksmen are not necessarily the only ranged champions that are super effective at sieging towers.

KrugLyfe3/30/2016, 4:45:17 PM1 votes

It's norms...you tryhard in normals? Funny guy