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Is Riots Definition of Toxicity compatible with comon sense?

Gundrabis·8/2/2018, 1:16:57 AM·5 votes·2,388 views

a lot of people didnt quite get what i was getting at so i am adding a question at the end (resembles homework?)

From a comon sense standpoint a lot of bans/chat restrictionsm might not seem justified, especially not in full context of the entire conversation (which is left out for obvious reasons because then you could argue from an actual basis of facts). But this is "FULL BEEP VIDEO GAMES" telling you that you are toxic when their definition of toxic would be saying hello in all chat. A lot of people who want you to stay sane would agree to just mute everyone BUT this doesnt fix the underlying community issue that riot is protecting the people who int and troll and flame by telling everyone with comon sense to just "look away" while the ****ds are doing drive by shootings in the alley every hour. They continuously filter out people who are not toxic and only leave the inters/passive aggressive trolls and anything beyond sanity in the system and THATS what greets you when you start playing the game. So obviously it creates an avalanche effect of more ****s joining the stream and now everyone who could have fought the idiots is gone /mute all and the trolls win. Thats what "FULL ****VIDEO GAMES" has acomplished. and NOW they dont even have a playerbase with a comon sense to rely on anymore so there are only people who are going to try EVERYTHING to win an arguement in game by getting people banned. How do you do that? Well, you just say "he should be banned becasue i feel offended" and from that point on ALL LOGIC IS DEFIED! There is no comon sense or logical argument anymore that can resolve the issue because everything is subjective and about "feelings". And riot wont/cant even argue with it anymore, they have dug too deep. They put the bar so low they cant reach it anymore.

Do you agree with the thesis that "everything can be toxic as long as someone is offended enough"? Is such a vague and contradicting basis solving the root problems of toxicity? 100 words til next monday or you get an F for FORT

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63 Comments

BlueThingamajig8/2/2018, 1:35:35 AM14 votes

riot is protecting the people who int and troll and flame

There are shortcomings of Riot's system, and Riot not banning trolls and intentional feeders in a timely manner is one of them. But please don't fall into the mistake of assuming Riot protects them. They don't. Trolling is an immediate 14-day ban when caught, while chat misbehavior offers two warnings in the form of chat restrictions. And there's a lot to dissect with regards to trolling.

In trolling: Perhaps they were in fact trolling. Congratulations! By getting into an angry rage-fest over a troll, YOU are rewarding the troll for their behavior. A troll's actions are SOLELY for the purpose of getting other people upset. Don't feed the troll. Perhaps they weren't trolling. Congratulations! Instead of playing to the best of your ability, you have chosen to piss off someone else, and make them tilted. Now your team is even less likely to win than before. And three other people on your team have to deal with this shit.

In reporting trolls: Everyone, their grandmother, and their little dog too want to have trolls banned from the game. But because of a) skill differences, b) level of play for the specific game, and c) skill with a specific champion, the actual quality of play demonstrated by a given player varies hugely from game to game.

There are a lot of reasons why someone might be having a bad game, and every time you report someone having a bad game, you make Riot's job of catching trolls harder. The signal to noise ratio in troll reports is tiny. Riot trying to find trolls might as well be a DDOS attack. It's really quite difficult to find the actual trolls, and mass-banning innocent players is a sure-fire way to drive away the playerbase.

Jo0o8/2/2018, 2:08:25 AM5 votes

You're allowed to curse on these fucking boards and in the fucking game. Adding a bunch of asterisks to your post is unnecessary, and just screws up the formatting.

To be frank, without specific examples of folks being banned for arbitrary reasons, I see no merit to your argument. Please share links to individuals with positive or even neutral chat logs being punished because somebody else was offended.

ModUlanopo8/2/2018, 2:20:37 AM5 votes

It depends on what you mean by common sense. I get the feeling that you're firmly in the "anything but playing poorly is okay by me" camp, which is an opinion you're allowed to have just as long as you remember it's entirely subjective and not shared by much of the League community.

From a practical standpoint, Riot is fully justified in defining as toxic anything that drives away customers, seeing as they're a business and all.

Ahpe8/2/2018, 1:37:16 AM3 votes

Many players are just anti-social and can't handle having a conversation without getting frustrated

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The Highest Noon8/2/2018, 1:55:53 AM1 votes

Yes, and no. Disclaimer: I did not read anything except the title of this post and the last sentence.

I say no because Zero Tolerance is how Riot's punishment system functions, and that has no place in a modern society. Circumstances matter, and if you're going to punish someone for self-defense then you're just creating an environment full of powerless victims.

I say yes because they do not take into account subjective opinions of what is and isn't toxic; they have an objective, concrete idea of what is punishable and what isn't. Just because I'm offended by something doesn't mean Riot will punish you for it.