Current System

Guto Mancer·Jan 10, 2016·1 votes·2,176 views

My account got perma banned (hey, here's another toxic player opening a thread, woow). No, it's not it. I just wanted to leave it here in the beginning to avoid people with a close minded point of view.

Saying that I see a big issue in the current League punishment system. We live in a society in which you cannot say a word without offending people. You cannot say "you're bad", you cannot say "don't play this champ because it requires a lot of mechanics and at the current moment you dont posses them".

Riot is acting like the too soft parents that cannot let their child/children fight for themselves. However, at same time they don't protect players from being bullied. Want an example? If a streamer bad-mouth their teammates, there's nothing that Riot will do to punish the player.

I know there's no solution for the current community issue, but Riot should start really evaluating each case, and stop following thigns by the book. One of your behaviour support staff was clear "you're welcome to come back, but not in this account". It clearly said I had improved my behaviour, but they're not going to change their decision about the permanent ban.

There are great example of game communities that don't let bullies get unpunished, but League is not allowing players to say "fuck", |"Shut the fuck up", and so on. We are losing our own identify in order to be able to play the game. We are not allowed to swear or use harsh words towards people that clearly cannot play a champ. For example, I would totally be fine if someone said I suck as Zed because I do.

Stop overprotecting and start looking for ways to find a line between being too strict and too soft.

P.s None of the comments addressed the fact that streamers can trash talk without being punished

Mancer.

49 Comments

PIMPSMOOTHJan 10, 20169 votes

How to not get banned:

Don't be a dick.
Don't be a dick in response to someone you believe is being a dick, that doesn't excuse your behavior.

Enjoy.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

Define being a dick. That's a broad statement and you're doing exactly what Riot is currently doing. You do not get your terms down nor give explanations, you assume people know exactly what your define of "being a dick" is.

MasterSomethingJan 10, 20161 votes

Well, being a dick is when you are that thing in a man's private area.

EvilDustManJan 10, 20168 votes

Ooh ooh! We get to use my new favorite example.

It's not that I'm offended by insults. I quite understand I'm a far better person than the other. I'm annoyed by insults. I'm annoyed that I'm trying to play while someone is harping on every minor mistake. Don't tell me I don't have to skills to play a champion IN THE MIDDLE OF A GAME WHERE I AM CONCENTRATING.

There are 5 players in a room. One of them is a tiny yappy dog. The shrill annoying kind. Four players on the team are trying to concentrate. The fifth is a yappy dog. He's playing, but he's also yapping. I do something wrong. Maybe I give up first blood. It happens, nobody is perfect, and the dog comes over to me and starts yapping right at me as I'm trying to concentrate on playing.

If they eventually go away, I won't report them. But if that dog keeps yapping and yapping and yapping, attacking my ears like the sting of bees at every moment while I'm trying to make up for the mistake I made, it detracts from my play. In fact, I've had a jungle so on my case I ended up giving up two towers trying to wrest blue from him because he wouldn't give me blue or come into my lane because of a single missed gank. At a certain point, the yapping gets so distracting I can't play.

So I ask the management to come over and remove the yapping dog. League of Legends is a game after all, I'd like to play it and enjoy it and relax without yapping dogs. Most players don't want a yapping dog.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20162 votes

I will not tell you that you don't have the mechanics until it's clear you don't know how to play the champ (I start getting suspicious after you give 3 kills and keep missing combos, skillshots)
"So I ask the management to come over and remove the yapping dog." In the field I work, if you don't know what you're doing you either shape up or you're fired. Let me know which field you work as I would love to work in a place that forgives "bad players" (i did not find a better word, I do apologize) and punishes honest players :)

EvilDustManJan 10, 20166 votes

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I will not tell you that you don't have the mechanics until it's clear you don't know how to play the champ (I start getting suspicious after you give 3 kills and keep missing combos, skillshots)

"So I ask the management to come over and remove the yapping dog." In the field I work, if you don't know what you're doing you either shape up or you're fired. Let me know which field you work as I would love to work in a place that forgives "bad players" (i did not find a better word, I do apologize) and punishes honest players :)

Both have no applications during a game. At all.

It is not your place or right to tell people they don't know how to play. Even if they don't. After a game, sure, you want to suggest another champion, that's fine. But in the middle of a game, there's no reason. It's aggravating and it has no place. There's nothing a player could even do if you said 'stop playing Yi, you are bad at yi, but I love you and hope we can be friends'. They still have to play Yi for another 30 minutes.

As for 2, while 2 out of my 4 jobs are shit, Newspaper Carrier, if you are bad for long enough, they kick you out, yes. Except that's not applicable. It's an analogy that doesn't fit with League of Legends, which is a video game. It is a game used to test skill and relax. There's no firing players for poor performance in League.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

Don't use analogies that are based on nothing. It shows you're just trying to support yourself in something that doesn't exist. After you lose the game because someone picked a highly complex champ (not talking about a yi, please get better examples), you want me to add them and politely say "we are going to live in friendland together and i will tell you that you're not good as Zed."

I honestly don't know in which world you actually live, but if someone is 0/10 (it includes myself) and someone bitches at me, I will be fucking quiet and accept it, because I (or whoever is feeding/losing badly) did poorly and I am wasting people's time.

If you're going to use any analogy or example, please get betters one. We are not talking about people picking a maoki, we are talking about people that pick hard champs to master and still think they can use them right away in ranked, normals without even practicing.

EvilDustManJan 10, 20166 votes

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Don't use analogies that are based on nothing. It shows you're just trying to support yourself in something that doesn't exist. After you lose the game because someone picked a highly complex champ (not talking about a yi, please get better examples), you want me to add them and politely say "we are going to live in friendland together and i will tell you that you're not good as Zed."

I honestly don't know in which world you actually live, but if someone is 0/10 (it includes myself) and someone bitches at me, I will be fucking quiet and accept it, because I (or whoever is feeding/losing badly) did poorly and I am wasting people's time.

If you're going to use any analogy or example, please get betters one. We are not talking about people picking a maoki, we are talking about people that pick hard champs to master and still think they can use them right away in ranked, normals without even practicing.

It was your argument, I am trying to extrapolate.

No, but at post-game, you can say those things. Mid-game, it doesn't do anything but make the situation worse.

You don't bitch at someone for going 0/10. You aren't hovering over their shoulder the whole game, you don't know what's going on. Bitching won't solve anything, it'll make the situation worse.

See the yappy dog scenario again. You are yapping right next to me in these examples and it doesn't help, it just makes me aggravated and unable to concentrate.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

your yappy dog scenario. if you tell management someone is on your shoulder because you're doing a horrible job, guess what my friend. you will be fired.

Based on your soft talk, you're not comfortable when people tell you that you suck at something. I have got papers and reports torn apart, did I cry and call management to protect me? No. I soak that shit up and learnt from it. That's the current issue with this community, you cannot be honest without getting punished.

EvilDustManJan 10, 20165 votes

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your yappy dog scenario. if you tell management someone is on your shoulder because you're doing a horrible job, guess what my friend. you will be fired.

Based on your soft talk, you're not comfortable when people tell you that you suck at something. I have got papers and reports torn apart, did I cry and call management to protect me? No. I soak that shit up and learnt from it. That's the current issue with this community, you cannot be honest without getting punished.

Again, not applicable. This isn't a job.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

Again, give a real analogy or stop using it at all because you're using in the way it is most convenient to your own self defense. you're not trying to argue a point, you're trying to just protect yourself from getting exposed and being forced to put yourself in someone's else shoes

EvilDustManJan 10, 20166 votes

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Again, give a real analogy or stop using it at all because you're using in the way it is most convenient to your own self defense. you're not trying to argue a point, you're trying to just protect yourself from getting exposed and being forced to put yourself in someone's else shoes

No, I fully understand you are frustrated. I am trying to tell YOU League is not such serious business. Stop treating it like serious business. It is funtimegames.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

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No, I fully understand you are frustrated. I am trying to tell YOU League is not such serious business. Stop treating it like serious business. It is funtimegames.

You cannot use a resonable analogy and when I found how flawed your was, you decided to shift for a different point. Using the "it's fun times".

I get it, but don't assume your definition of fun is the same as everyone else. Also, you failed to address the main issue, streamers who bad mouth players instead of typing it out.

You're not good with arguments. Better back to your fantasy world, you will have more chances to succeeded there summoner 4 <3

EvilDustManJan 10, 20165 votes

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You cannot use a resonable analogy and when I found how flawed your was, you decided to shift for a different point. Using the "it's fun times".

I get it, but don't assume your definition of fun is the same as everyone else. Also, you failed to address the main issue, streamers who bad mouth players instead of typing it out.

You're not good with arguments. Better back to your fantasy world, you will have more chances to succeeded there <3

It wasn't the main point of your post. The main point of your post was the community being too easily offended. The streamer thing is a single sentence and not relevant. However, we can address it.

Yes, a streamer can bad mouth someone in a stream and not get punished. I'm not sure what Twitch/YoutubeStream's TOS is on that, but it is on them to deal with it. There is nothing Riot can do about it. It makes the streamer kind of a turd, but to be honest, as long as the streamer isn't doing it in chat to the other player, it's not that big a deal, because they aren't being the yappy dog in the room.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

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It wasn't the main point of your post. The main point of your post was the community being too easily offended. The streamer thing is a single sentence and not relevant. However, we can address it.

Yes, a streamer can bad mouth someone in a stream and not get punished. I'm not sure what Twitch/YoutubeStream's TOS is on that, but it is on them to deal with it. There is nothing Riot can do about it. It makes the streamer kind of a turd, but to be honest, as long as the streamer isn't doing it in chat to the other player, it's not that big a deal, because they aren't being the yappy dog in the room.

Also, you cannot argue about the community being too soft, you just defend one side without looking at both angles. Yes, i am brutally honest, but i am as much of an asshole as I used to be. Most of my comments are strictly related to plays (including my own plays).

no he is being worse your fucking and annoying analogy of the yappy dog. Mainly because he is making a person look like a fool in front of (between) 50 to 10k viewers.

MasterSomethingJan 10, 20164 votes

Analogies, analogies, blah blah blah his point still stands and you know it.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

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Analogies, analogies, blah blah blah his point still stands and you know it.

If you don't like the conversation, you're more than welcome to not be part of it. Also, his point doesn't stand as it has more holes than a swiss cheese. He's trying to put scenarios in which can just be used to save his own skin and not to start a proper dialogue. :)

MasterSomethingJan 10, 20163 votes

You're the one avoiding stuff here, buddy, because you yourself can't keep a decent conversation running. You keep trying to find holes that don't exist, and make your own bad holes when you find out the truth. Also, I like reading conversations between smart people (him) and people who can't accept punishment and whine (you).

Guto MancerJan 11, 20161 votes

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You're the one avoiding stuff here, buddy, because you yourself can't keep a decent conversation running. You keep trying to find holes that don't exist, and make your own bad holes when you find out the truth. Also, I like reading conversations between smart people (him) and people who can't accept punishment and whine (you).

I have just had a decent argument with someone below or above this comment. we were discussing about leading by example. He had valid points that are not based on something that just benefits one side <3

MasterSomethingJan 11, 20162 votes

I hardly call a great person like Deep Terror Nami having an argument with you. More like he was trying to talk to a normal person, and that person was an idiot. Get where I am going with that? And it wasn't about that. It was about being nice to people improves their performance. Deep Terror is a good person, and I am sorry that the poor fish had to deal with you whining about "getting to the point".

EvilDustManJan 11, 20163 votes

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I have just had a decent argument with someone below or above this comment. we were discussing about leading by example. He had valid points that are not based on something that just benefits one side <3

Your lack of understanding doesn't mean my methods don't benefit both sides. You seem to be incapable of understanding how to properly lead or constructively criticize, and I can guarantee if we had logs it would be very easy to see why you were permabanned. So I will lay out the hard truth, as you desire.

You are egotistical. You think you have some sort of monopoly on how to play this game and the right to criticize anyone for not playing well enough for your standards.

You are incapable of understanding that this is a game. This is not a job where money and prosperity hinges on our ability to do work. It's a game.

You are quick to heap blame on others, calling them soft rather than owning up to the fact that you are a yappy dog. You are a tiny, overly expensive breed of dog that results from decades of selective inbreeding. Your barks are shrill and impotent. I am not offended by your criticisms, I am annoyed you have no concept of right time and place.

You do not understand how team morale works. You don't understand how psychology works.

You do not understand your egotistical attitude is not wanted on this game.

Your mother was a hamster.

Your father smelt of elderberries.

KingWanahakalugiJan 11, 20162 votes

I will not tell you that you don't have the mechanics until it's clear you don't know how to play the champ (I start getting suspicious after you give 3 kills and keep missing combos, skillshots)

You may be right that they don't have the mechanics to play champion yet, but how is your stating of that fact helping in any way, shape, or form? Give them a tip if you have a better understanding of the mechanic they don't possess. Also, how are they supposed to improve if they don't practice the champion? Don't belittle them just because they happen to be practicing the champion while they're in your game.

Have a Nice Day [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Deep Terror NamiJan 10, 20167 votes

League is not allowing players to say "fuck", |"Shut the fuck up"

Those are two completely different things, and they are treated as such by the behavior system. Simply cursing is not usually reported and is therefore not punished. People don't care that you say "fuck".

"Shut the fuck up" is a clearly negative behavior that can only cause more problems. Do not antagonize or insult other players. If you can't see the difference between these, the problem isn't with the system.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-10T21:10:53.428+0000)

Those are two completely different things, and they are treated as such by the behavior system. Simply cursing is not usually reported and is therefore not punished. People don't care that you say "fuck".

"Shut the fuck up" is a clearly negative behavior that can only cause more problems. Do not antagonize or insult other players. If you can't see the difference between these, the problem isn't with the system.

This statement shows clearly why this community is too soft. I did it more than once because a player kept trying to tilt everyone else.

EvilDustManJan 10, 20166 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guto Mancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-01-10T21:52:29.107+0000)

This statement shows clearly why this community is too soft. I did it more than once because a player kept trying to tilt everyone else.

You'd be amazed how saying 'Shut The Fuck Up' to someone doesn't ever diffuse the situation in a stressful environment.

Deep Terror NamiJan 10, 20166 votes

And this statement shows why you got permabanned. Show your fellow players some respect, have some for yourself, and follow the rules you have agreed to many times.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

jesus got damn fucking christ. Are you telling me I cannot tell a playeer to shut the fuck up and stop trying to tilt the entire team without being banned?!

Deep Terror NamiJan 10, 20166 votes

How exactly do you think that is helping? More likely you annoy the whole team, and cause that person to play worse at the least. There's always a more positive way to spin what you want to say, such as "Please stop chatting and focus on the game". And if they don't want your suggestions, don't give it to them.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=00020000000100000000,timestamp=2016-01-10T22:09:33.532+0000)

How exactly do you think that is helping? More likely you annoy the whole team, and cause that person to play worse at the least. There's always a more positive way to spin what you want to say, such as "Please stop chatting and focus on the game". And if they don't want your suggestions, don't give it to them.

"Can you kindly please stop trying to tilt our illoi who is haivng a hard time? can you also kindly please stop typing on the /all chat? I would appreciate it so much." are you telling me it'll be as direct and clear as stfu?

There's times that people need to stop using fluffy words and go straight to the point. When you have a player that keeps blaming every single thing except his/her skills, you need to tell him/her to shut the fuck up and focus on the game.

I am positive you have done it in your real life in some way. You have cut to the chase instead of being all soft and friendly.

Deep Terror NamiJan 10, 20163 votes

As I mentioned, getting abusive about it generally hurts rather than help.

Take this conversation for example, or the other similar ones I have on the boards; I could very easily (and often want to) tell people to just "shut the fuck up and accept your ban you toxic asshole", but I don't. It doesn't actually help, probably will start an argument, and it clutters the discussion with nonsense nobody wants to read (aside from pure entertainment value). The easy way here is not a proper or useful way.

Also, the way I've approached this at some point irl is irrelevant, but since you brought it up, my interactions with toxic players in the League community has helped me learn how to deal with abusive people elsewhere. Being the better person works everywhere in the long run. If you teach everyone to take the high road, then eventually everyone is the better person. Lead by example.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

You know that you have just said is the main reason why new generations are not accepting "nos" right? There's time you gotta be nice and polite, but there are times that people can and should be direct.

As I have mentioned before, I have got reports and papers torn apart because they were bad. I could have crawl in my bed and cry and hope someone would bring me a hot chocolate or I could soak it up like a normal person and take this criticism as a way to grow.

League, currently, punishes any kind of negative interaction regardless of the outcome or intent. If I am telling you that you don't have the mechanics to play the champ after you died 10 times and missed your combo another couple of times, I am not saying that because I am jerk, I am saying that because I don't want people to shit on you later on.

There are different ways to display leadership and sometimes being the guy who is always nice isn't necessarily the right approach. Sometimes, people need the iron fist.

I understand nobody likes to read "you're bad", "you don't have the mechanics or skills", but at some point someone has to say it because some players are going to hide into their holes and deny their lack of skills until the very end.

EvilDustManJan 10, 20166 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guto Mancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=0002000000010000,timestamp=2016-01-10T22:02:02.051+0000)

jesus got damn fucking christ. Are you telling me I cannot tell a playeer to shut the fuck up and stop trying to tilt the entire team without being banned?!

No. I am telling you that it doesn't actually do anything but make the situation worse. Again, you keep acting like everyone is offended. It's not a matter of offense. Telling someone to shut the fuck up does not actually make the situation better. Silence would be a better choice.

FrankerXJan 10, 20162 votes

shut the fuck up.

take it as an example or take it as i said it.

PIMPSMOOTHJan 10, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guto Mancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-01-10T21:52:29.107+0000)

This statement shows clearly why this community is too soft.

Well then go be 'hard' with your boyz and go throw dice in an alley somewhere while sippin on a brown bagged forty of Colt 45.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Guto MancerJan 11, 20161 votes

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Well then go be 'hard' with your boyz and go throw dice in an alley somewhere while sippin on a brown bagged forty of Colt 45.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

I prefer Jose Cuervo, Colt isn't for me :/ item 3073

PIMPSMOOTHJan 11, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Guto Mancer,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=0002000000030000,timestamp=2016-01-11T00:07:31.340+0000)

I prefer Jose Cuervo, Colt isn't for me :/

You soft.

Guto MancerJan 11, 20161 votes

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You soft.

Too much beer for my poor belly Amumu item 3070

xReadyPlayerOnexJan 10, 20164 votes

You can believe this all you want... or you can understand that the chat feature is there to help communicate GAMEPLAY activities like... help me gank top or mid needs help. Not being an asshole to other people for any reason you want or even telling people how well they're doing. Don't like what someones doing? Tell them AFTER the game via friend request or post their behavior (no names) on the forums and we'll tell you whether it's dumb or if you are.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

Define being an asshole. I am getting very tired of people coming up with vague terms. My definition of asshole is different from yours. Most players hide in their own cave and REFUSE to see that they keep making bad calls.

Players usually try to trade once, lose it. try again, lose again. TRY FOR THE THIRD TIME, and guess what? They lose. Are you telling me I cannot say "stop trying to trade when it's clear you're not winning" or "fuck, stop trying to trade" because I am being rude and direct? (Yes, I have got reported for telling people either of these sentences)

LF AnnieJan 11, 20162 votes

this guy likes using work analogies, so i'm going to use one, if you work anywhere, and you harass your coworkers, guess what happens?

point in fact, in game, you are not my boss, father, mother, grandparent, ext, you are a coworker. don't harass me, and i wont report to management.

EvilDustManJan 11, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=LF Annie,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-01-11T00:36:45.382+0000)

this guy likes using work analogies, so i'm going to use one, if you work anywhere, and you harass your coworkers, guess what happens?

point in fact, in game, you are not my boss, father, mother, grandparent, ext, you are a coworker. don't harass me, and i wont report to management.

Or if you go over to one of your coworkers and say 'hey, you aren't doing that report right, asshole'. 'Hey, why are you firing me, I was just helping him work better.'

LF AnnieJan 11, 20162 votes

see, people like this guy (op) cant get over the fact that they are coworkers, not management. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

EvilDustManJan 11, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=LF Annie,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=ntAy0bwb,comment-id=000500000000,timestamp=2016-01-11T00:47:27.031+0000)

see, people like this guy (op) cant get over the fact that they are coworkers, not management. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Egotism. It happens a lot with toxic players, I notice.

Guto MancerJan 11, 20161 votes

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Or if you go over to one of your coworkers and say 'hey, you aren't doing that report right, asshole'. 'Hey, why are you firing me, I was just helping him work better.'

My boss actually almost did it, she just didn't say asshole.

And there's a difference between harass and tell someone they're bad at something. RIot doesn't accept any form or criticism at the present moment. Using fuck, asshole, jerk,etc. just made it clear, but even if you do not use the "bad" words, you can still get banned for telling someone they're not good at something.

ThatH1N1Jan 10, 20161 votes

How to not get banned.

When the games starts say "GLHF!"
Type "/mute all"
Play the game!
You can be as toxic as you want now! Type whatever! Your teammates can't see it!
??????????
Profit

ZombiemasterJan 10, 20168 votes

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You can be as toxic as you want now! Type whatever! Your teammates can't see it!

Except that's not how muting works. Muting someone prevents you from seeing what they type, but they can still see what you type unless they mute you.

Guto MancerJan 10, 20161 votes

Thanks Zombie :3

thefooz87Jan 11, 20161 votes

"One of your behavior support staff was clear "you're welcome to come back, but not in this account". It clearly said I had improved my behavior, but they're not going to change their decision about the permanent ban." - Had the same feedback from one of their support specialists.

I went from dropping soooo many f-bombs and verbal abuse to primarily saying (frequently in the same game) "gg" and asking for reports, which I found out the hard way that THAT was a banable offense... for the sake of honesty, I also said "I'm done" a fair number of times, but still played to the best of my ability. Just a vent for my frustrations...

I also reported a game where a player banned the champ I asked to play, then told me "wtf %%% %%% go die bitch" (which from what I've read on the boards results in an escalation to at least a temporary ban) and according to his game history, never even got a 14-day ban.