I got permanently banned for a single incident of "arguing"

sililoquy·7/28/2019, 10:27:05 PM·2 votes·2,235 views

Game 1 Pre-Game sililoquy: im tank sililoquy: nah im playing lux adc sililoquy: yes sililoquy: i want sililoquy: draven In-Game sililoquy: ff 15 please sililoquy: dude sililoquy: look at the score sililoquy: are u really so delusional u are convinced its my fault sililoquy: i had nothing to do with every single lane and jg going negative sililoquy: its my fault cause i gave nami one free kill? sililoquy: yeah sililoquy: that was really the deal breaker sililoquy: nami is fed sililoquy: gg sililoquy: you are. sililoquy: did you know draven and shaco has the same va sililoquy: you really are convinced sililoquy: that is sad sililoquy: i AM sililoquy: LOL sililoquy: its 8 25 sililoquy: u are acting like we have chance sililoquy: i gave nami one free kill and all of a sudden u all jump on band wagon looking for someone to blame sililoquy: i sililoquy: have not sililoquy: blamed sililoquy: a single person sililoquy: on our team sililoquy: YOU sililoquy: blamed me sililoquy: dude sililoquy: the gmae was over sililoquy: before i even did that sililoquy: it doesnt even matter sililoquy: that was not sililoquy: somehow the turning point of the game sililoquy: that was not the moment where all of a sudden we lost sililoquy: we were already losing sililoquy: all u guys are doing is looking for blame so you can feel better about your loss sililoquy: thats all you're doing sililoquy: there is absolutely nothing to gain sililoquy: from "pointing out" teammates mistakes sililoquy: what sililoquy: is that sililoquy: im not on ur team sililoquy: we are not even friends sililoquy: you dont care sililoquy: if i am better at the game or not sililoquy: you're literally lying sililoquy: there was no "bad behavior" on my part sililoquy: u literally got mad cause i died sililoquy: i never inted sililoquy: you calling my bad play "inting" is nothing more than an insult sililoquy: how am i inting sililoquy: u realize how toxic u are Post-Game sililoquy: for? sililoquy: ????????? sililoquy: what did i do sililoquy: ??????????

this was considered "extremely inflammatory and offensive", after having my jungler tell me to kill myself for going 1/11 and constantly insulting me the whole game, I still kept my cool. regardless, I got reported by everyone on my team for feeding. this is literally the only game that triggered this. I know I'm gonna get downvoted to shit but I mean come on. permanently banned? for this? jesus christ. this game was hopelessly lost at 5 minutes, every single person on my team afk typing and arguing, blaming and insulting. just a terrible game. terrible experience.

39 Comments

Stray Kat7/28/2019, 11:11:32 PM4 votes

Your first message in the game was saying to surrender@15. Probably within the first 3 minutes of the game, based on how much you managed to talk after that. AKA you gave up immediately after the game began.

Honestly, one less bad attitude in the game. System working as intended. It wasn't a "Single Incident" - It was several incidents over time, resulting in harsher and harsher punishments. This is just the final one that pushed you over the top for the perm ban.

Based on your posts in this thread, that's probably one of your less toxic performances in game anyway. Move on to some other game, this one lasts longer than the first 3 minutes.

Tuition Fee7/28/2019, 10:57:38 PM3 votes

Nami is fed

KFCeytron7/28/2019, 11:30:22 PM3 votes

So, it has come to this: someone displayed misbehavior in a LoL match in flagrant disregard for the game's rules, ToS, EULA, and Summoner's Code. That's unfortunate, and I'm sorry you had to deal with it. If this misbehavior happened in chat (including emotes or ping) and they don't respond positively to a single, courteous, constructive request to focus on the game, your best option is to mute that player. Submit a report after the match. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by asking them to keep it down and then notifying library staff and moving to another area.

Do not respond with misbehavior of your own! If you do that, your teammates may mute and report you, and those reports would be valid. This is equivalent to dealing with a noisy person in a library by getting into a shouting match with them. Just because someone else started it doesn't justify you in continuing it. I'm sure you're familiar with the "s/he started it" trope, where two children get into an argument or fight and then try to claim innocence of any wrongdoing by claiming that they didn't instigate it. As any parent, teacher, or other supervisor of children will tell you, that excuse doesn't fly. When Dad is trying to drive you to Disneyland and your annoying brother starts making faces at you as he's previously been told not to, you should calmly ask him to stop, and then, if that doesn't work, calmly notify your parents of the problem. Making faces at him or shouting at him has never been a good way to get him to stop, and it makes you just as guilty of that as he.

Riot doesn't care who started it. Someone else's misbehavior does not justify your own.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

  • Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game.If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on.
  • Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

If you misbehave but a teammate or opponent does or says something even worse, you should definitely report them after the match, just as someone reported you for your own misbehavior. Yes, that's certainly possible. Reports are not a limited resource. Any time someone believes that another player violated LoL's behavioral standards, they can report that player. Punishments are similarly not limited: if more than one player in a game merits a punishment, they can both get a punishment. This can happen even if the players in question were antagonizing each other. The IFS doesn't need to weigh the severity of all reported players' actions and then "award" the "winner" with a punishment; it's not a contest.

Think of it like dealing with a noisy person in a library: ask them to keep it down, and then notify library staff and move to another area if that doesn't work. If you get into a shouting match with them, you're just as likely to be removed, even if you weren't shouting quite as loudly as they were. The goal is a quiet library.

You weren't punished for misbehaving in one game. You were punished for misbehaving in one more game, in a consistent pattern of negative behavior that breaks the game's rules. Additionally, the reform card doesn't always show all the logs that led to your punishment: it randomly selects up to several logs. You might see three logs, but you also might see as few as one, even for players whose punishment stems not from a small number of egregious infractions but rather from dozens of instances of mild toxicity. The purpose of the reform card is to tell you how to reform, so it shows you an example of the behavior that prompted your punishment and explains that such behavior is inappropriate and should be avoided if you want to maintain an account in good standing.

Usually, one transgression by itself wouldn't be enough to bring a clean account to an instant permaban, but the IFS works on an escalating punishment system. Breaking a minor rule, like engaging the team in useless arguments, has a minor punishment: a chat restriction. Breaking that same rule over and over again, however, doesn't prompt an endless series of chat restrictions. The severity of the punishment ramps up over time, because the goal is to eliminate the punished player's willingness to break the game's rules. If two chat restrictions don't stop the useless arguments, the system will increase the punishment to a 14-day suspension and deliver a very clear message that the continued rule-breaking is becoming a serious issue and any further instances will result in a permaban. Again, the point is to put a stop to this misbehavior. If a player is more interested in repeatedly breaking the rules than in maintaining access to their account, they'll lose access to their account.

Of course, it's possible to break major rules, like cheating, threatening people, or using chat for hate speech, and skip punishment tiers so that a clean account ends up with a 14-day suspension or even a permaban.

From Riot's support knowledgebase:

PUNISHMENTS GENERALLY FOLLOW A BASIC ESCALATION PATH:

  • First Offense: 10 Game Chat Restriction
  • Second Offense: 25 Game Chat Restriction
  • Third Offense: Two Week Suspension
  • Fourth Offense: Permanent Suspension

However, it is possible to skip to a Two Week or Permanent suspension based on the severity of the behavior in the game. Excessive negative behavior can result in a Two-Week or Permanent suspension at any time without having a chat restriction on the account.

Hotarµ7/28/2019, 10:36:38 PM2 votes

this was considered "extremely inflammatory and offensive", after having my jungler tell me to kill myself for going 1/11 and constantly insulting me the whole game, I still kept my cool.

So, to preface this, if this was your first and only punishment in the history of this account, it sounds like it was made in error. You can file a support ticket to dispute it.

If this wasn't made in error and this punishment warranted a permanent suspension, that means you had multiple punishments in the form of a 10 game chat restriction, 25 game chat restriction, and 14 day gameplay suspension. On the final reform card from the 14-day suspension it was stated that "Any continued negativity will result in a permanent suspension" and you ignored that warning by repeatedly going back and forth with your teammates all game.

regardless, I got reported by everyone on my team for feeding. this is literally the only game that triggered this.

Multiple reports don't do anything, all it takes is one valid report for the game to be reviewed automatically.

If you were reported for intentional feeding, you wouldn't have chat logs attached to your reform card. Your first offense would also be a 14-day ban and any subsequent one would be a permanent suspension.

rujitra7/28/2019, 10:37:09 PM2 votes

No, you were permanently banned because you came off a 14 day ban literally only 4 days ago. That ban made very clear that any further negativity would result in your account being permanently banned. You then proceeded in this game to give up, attempt to flame your team for not surrendering, flame them for their performance, and harass them.

Go find another game to ruin other than League if you refuse to be a decent teammate.

Tanerian7/28/2019, 10:37:11 PM2 votes

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Sound Chimera7/28/2019, 11:22:19 PM1 votes

Looking at his matchhistory he is running it down alooooot and i guess rage quits aswell.

Ban is deserved.

Summoner SpeII7/29/2019, 6:45:16 AM1 votes

you got banned because u typed the key words delusional and inting, if you do not type those words the system would skip you, learn the words and be safer next time

Telephone Booth7/29/2019, 9:23:02 PM1 votes

So you skipped all punishments and went straight to a permaban for one incident? I doubt it :/ you have to have had previous punishments.