On the matter of context and its apparent prevalence in the LoL community

NightSpectre·11/6/2017, 1:00:56 PM·2 votes·1,910 views

I made a post about my own situation surrounding the importance of context a while back. It was dismissed and unpopular, but I watched board activity and it seems that it isn't just me. What I don't understand is why it is unpopular with the Boards community. Isn't having tunnel vision a bad thing? Is this a legitimate behavior/value of the community or just a reflection of a fews immaturity? @Development, this question really is for you. I haven't been satisfied yet with any answers that the Boards have been able to provide me. They lacked authenticity. They claim individual behavior is the responsibility of the individual alone, something to which I don't agree with. It is a two part term, individual and behavior. Individual is on the person itself, yes I can agree. But behavior, is about this person's reaction to his/her surroundings. I hope someone at the Riot team can shed some light on this issue.

114 Comments

Mindspeaker11/6/2017, 1:06:21 PM6 votes

OP there really isn't anything to discuss This is just a video game , there is no justification for it at all. If you are getting "stressed " or "rage" that is a personal issue and under no circumstance should you "act out " in a way that RIOT does not approve or respond to someone acting out .

Its black and white no gray area to discuss.

Context should matter

Short answer

No it should not , every player is responsible for their own actions , words and responses.

it does not matter what is said or done in game no matter how bad you think it is if you do what RIOT thinks is a punishable offence it including responding /reacting to anything you don't like in game . You deserve a punishment tier.

Long Answer

Fact : Intentional Trolling in a game ( afk feeding leave buster avoidance etc ) is ban worthy

What alot of players seem to fail to understand is

FACT : responding / reacting to one in any way shape or form is also ban worthy and that is the way it should be .

Another misconception " but the other player did /said this .....you don't show the other side"

FACT: EVERYTHING other than your own words is IRRELEVANT as far as the punishment system goes

That is also has it should be .

So yes what ever you see /hear in game you are supposed to just "ignore it / let it go" no matter "bad" legitimate or otherwise you think it is,

Yes you may loose a "game" or "lp" but really its a video game if you are concerned about something that insignificant that it sends you into a rage and makes you want to verbally abuse other players ... ..you may want to look into that.

Taking that into account you are left with another fact:

There is never any "context" or "justification" for responding to, reacting to any Intentional negative chat , action or play .

Also there is never any "context" or Justification to negativity commenting on something you simply don't like or what you consider "bad play" of any kind.

As for players blaming punishable speech and/or actions on other players - that is also inherently wrong

There is no such thing as being baited. You cannot use that as an excuse.

YOU ( the player) control and are responsible for your own actions speech.

No matter what anyone does or says in game no matter how bad

if YOU choose to respond to it in any way the YOU rightly deserve to be punished as well.

also its not just "one bad game " that will get you banned, you can skip punishment tiers if Riot thinks the offence was bad enough however.

Chermorg (NA) - 12 days ago

Riot treats everyone the same. Everyone is given the same escalation pathway of punishments:

10 game chat restriction 25 game chat restriction 14 day ban Permanent ban

The point of all this is If you don't like how random people, don't want the "risk" of someone intentionally trying to disrupt the game ( intentional feeders afk verbal abusive leaverbuster avoiders) play then it's up to you not to join a random que ,

As for there is a INTENTIONAL feeder or afk just ignore them and play as you would if everything was fine and report them after the game . Take no action ,of any kind in retaliation or respond/ react to them verbally.

Also If a player disagrees and /or ignores the above guidelines and continue to break them remember every player is just GUEST of Riot no matter how much money that player spent on their account and their Privilege of playing in this game can and should be taken away permanently,

Kloqdq11/6/2017, 4:23:54 PM4 votes

Honestly, what does a player get out of being toxic to another person? Even if they are responding to them? Like what do you actual get out of it? You aren't likely going to successfully defend yourself nor just magically win them over to your side. If they are making active jabs at you and trying to insult you, what is their to gain from engaging with them?

For me, I just ignore it and focus on myself. I am really chatty and talk to myself during the game which is sometimes trash talking someone a bit out of game. What I am thinking to myself, if I put it in chat would get me perma-banned. I know that. I also know it isn't worth it to let some guy know he is a piece of shit. I just move on. Context doesn't matter here because even with the context, you aren't doing anything positive. You are just actively adding to the toxic environment. You don't gain anything by engaging with someone toxic so just don't. It's that simple.

Chief Kebbie11/6/2017, 4:06:55 PM4 votes

Logic like this is absolutely hysterical.

'I should be able to say anything I want at all times.' Take that out in public. Act like you would in a league game to an actual person. Someone screws up on a team project, tell them to kill themselves. You'll be fired overnight.

'They were worse, they made a mistake' Yeah, that holds up. Tell that to your boss. My co-worker forgot to file this paper, so naturally I screamed cuss words at him for the rest of the day. You can't fire me, they started it by making a mistake. I'm sure your boss will see your completely rational response.

tl;dr you are a child who can't control your emotions. Hire a daycare professional to help you master your own emotions. Then rejoin us in adulthood.

Unreformed Shaco11/6/2017, 1:04:31 PM3 votes

Boards are all SJW crybabies.

Almost every online forum is these days.

"Hold hands and make daisy chains or you get punished, regardless of situation." is the general attitude.

Chermorg11/6/2017, 1:07:46 PM3 votes

I have a very different experience from you. In my experience, the vast majority of players don't care who started it, or who was being toxic first, they just care if someone is toxic. Most players will mute all toxic players and report all involved simply because they all fueled the negative environment.

Nobody plays League to be flamed. Most people who play League want anyone being toxic to get punished so they will stop - even if someone else started it. It just so happens you have the vocal minority of people who think they were wrongly punished here on the boards much more frequently than they exist in the general community. Think about it - every second or third post is a ban appeal, but in reality less than 1/10th of 1% of players see ever banned - it shows you the boards are not a representative slice of the population for determining statistical significance.

Anastaecia11/6/2017, 1:20:24 PM3 votes

This is no different than the real world and the rules and laws you obey every day. You are responsible for YOU, and you only. What do you not get about that? If a guy honks his horn at you, it is your choice to ignore it, honk back, hit him, cut him off, etc. That other driver isn't making you do any of those things. They might be the catalyst for the next decision you have to make in your day, but they do not choose that decision for you.

Salson11/6/2017, 3:54:44 PM2 votes

Other people don't want to get caught in the flame war.

The other day, I had a Jhin flaming Pantheon support. Usually I wouldn't report him or even care wtf they're arguing. Then he went and 'opened bot', cementing the loss.

See, the context is really fucked up here. Jhin opened and flamed. Panth trolled and flamed. Guess in the context of things, the culprit is the Autofill system?

Galactic Dong11/6/2017, 3:20:15 PM2 votes

You're absolutely right. It's as if riot was a judge and the convo went like this You: "Bro, I hit him because he kept hitting me and I wanted to defend myself." Riot: "Doesn't matter. He doesn't affect your actions. You were physically abusive too." You: "No.... I was defending myself" Riot: "Stop being toxic" 10 game mute.