It's stupid how if your team doesn't like you, they can report you for whatever reason. And if you get reported, it's up to a group of kids to decide whether you're toxic or not. It's purely a popularity contest. We need some clearly defined rules. The term "negativity" is extremely vague.
ModPrandine8 votesIt all boils down to not saying or doing anything that you know will just tick other people off (in other words don't be a jerk). Also, even if everyone in the game reports you as long as you've done nothing reportable you won't get punished and the false reports will get thrown out.
Cloud2732 votesIt all boils down to not saying or doing anything that you know will just tick other people off (in other words don't be a jerk). Also, even if everyone in the game reports you as long as you've done nothing reportable you won't get punished and the false reports will get thrown out.
Again very subjective. There is no clear cut definition of what being "toxic" or "negative" actually means. If you're not rainbows and sunshine 24/7 in your game then apparently you're a "jerk".
Deep Terror Nami9 votesYes, it is subjective. Players decide for themselves if they think you're being problematic, and they report you or don't accordingly; if they don't think you're being a jerk/toxic, they don't report you and the system won't care what you did.
When you get reported frequently for negative behavior then it adds up, but if you're infrequently negative/toxic then you won't get punished. Everybody is a little toxic sometimes; it's the people that are that way as their normal behavior that get punished (extreme behavior can of course result in a much more swift and severe punishment).
You seriously don't have to be fake nice to not get punished, you just don't have to be condescending and rude to everyone all the time, or intentionally ruining the game for others.
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mx6twHE1,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2017-09-29T22:23:49.170+0000)
Yes, it is subjective. Players decide for themselves if they think you're being problematic, and they report you or don't accordingly; if they don't think you're being a jerk/toxic, they don't report you and the system won't care what you did.
When you get reported frequently for negative behavior then it adds up, but if you're infrequently negative/toxic then you won't get punished. Everybody is a little toxic sometimes; it's the people that are that way as their normal behavior that get punished (extreme behavior can of course result in a much more swift and severe punishment).
You seriously don't have to be fake nice to not get punished, you just don't have to be condescending and rude to everyone all the time, or intentionally ruining the game for others.
Thank you for admitting this. I can't tell you how many times I've had people harass me, tell me to kill myself, etc in my games, and I don't report them for it. Why? Because it's a videogame and it's not worth getting upset over. There are so many people who should've been permabanned ages ago for the stuff they say, but people just don't do it, because we like to think that no matter how rude we were to each other, it's just a game and we should all just forget about it.
Someone on this board said you can be punished for even 1 game of being "toxic". Even if you have honor level 5 with years of good behavior 1 bad game somehow erases all of it.
Deep Terror Nami6 votesYou have say some seriously offensive things to get punished for one game. This is usually hate speech (such as homophobic slurs) or threats (including telling people to hurt/kill themselves).
Terozu2 votesUmm people gave you articles, read them. Also, a group of kids cant report you because the number of reports doesnt matter.
Monkey With Guns5 votesYes Riot has. http://www.ign.com/wikis/league-of-legends/The_Summoner%27s_Code
here you go, the definition of what not being toxic is.
Here is the official one http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/featured/summoners-code
Deep Terror Nami4 votesHere's another great article about being a sportsmanlike player; https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201751874-Behavior-Worthy-of-a-Champion
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Deep Terror Nami,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mx6twHE1,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-09-29T22:11:52.792+0000)
Here's another great article about being a sportsmanlike player; https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201751874-Behavior-Worthy-of-a-Champion
Why is asking for a report wrong? There are people who will just rage quit and NEVER get punished for it.
Angrychickén3 votes1st, asking for reports doesn't actually do anything, 1 report = 9 reports.
2nd, just asking for reports isn't bad, but when it becomes harassment, that's when in becomes bad.
Cloud2731 votes[{quoted}](name=Abzan Lord,realm=NA,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mx6twHE1,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2017-09-29T22:32:36.159+0000)
1st, asking for reports doesn't actually do anything, 1 report = 9 reports.
2nd, just asking for reports isn't bad, but when it becomes harassment, that's when in becomes bad.
What would you do if someone leaves your game or is LITERALLY intentionally feeding? You know you're probably going to lose and it's literally the WORST feeling ever. You want to make sure that person is punished for their behavior.
SavageConcordia2 votesWhat if you do if someone leaves your game or is LITERALLY intentionally feeding.
You report them. If they are genuinely inting odds are everyone on your team already plans to report them, spamming "report x" isn't going to do anything.
Angrychickén2 votesBut it doesn't matter how many reports there are, as I said above, 1 report = 9 reports.
And being toxic in chat doesn't help anything.
ModPrandine4 votesWhat if you do if someone leaves your game or is LITERALLY intentionally feeding. You know you're probably going to lose and it's literally the WORST feeling ever. You want to make sure that person is punished for their behavior.
People can tell if someone is inting or afking so there's really no need to call for reports and point out what everyone already knows. Yes these situations are frustrating but if you're gonna report them then just do it without calling for others to report them in the chat.
ModPeriscope4 votesI don't think they need to define "don't be a Jerk" further. And sure, some people probably don't know what that means, so there's punishments before getting a permaban.
Kei1434 votesIt's supposed to be vauge.
Riot has left it up to the community to decide what is toleratable. The Instant Feedback System takes information of the millions of reports the community makes daily and learns from what is / isn't acceptable within the community.
In KR server, your mom jokes are widely shunned upon, and they even consider calling someone a silver toxic. The same behavior is reported much less in NA servers.
Cloud2731 votesIt's supposed to be vauge.
Riot has left it up to the community to decide what is toleratable. The Instant Feedback System takes information of the millions of reports the community makes daily and learns from what is / isn't acceptable within the community.
In KR server, your mom jokes are widely shunned upon, and they even consider calling someone a silver toxic. The same behavior is reported much less in NA servers.
And that's what's stupid, because there's obviously going to be bias. There need to be clear rules about what is tolerated and what isn't.
Kei1433 votesSo what if a few million people are biased towards a certain behavior, it just means that the majority of the community don't want to see such behavior in their games.
Cloud2731 votesSo what if a few million people are biased towards a certain behavior, it just means that the majority of the community don't want to see such behavior in their games.
We need actual rules. Not biased opinions on what's tolerated and what isn't.
ModPrandine3 votesWe need actual rules. Not biased opinions on what's tolerated and what isn't.
From Ulanopo's Knowledge Base:
The Summoners Code is too nebulous. I need to know what I cant say.
Riot is never going to tell you because people will use that information to skirt the edge of impropriety. Heres a simple list of things that will almost always get you punished:
- Criticizing anyones skill.
Basically, you should avoid anything you would not say at the funeral of a loved one or during the interview for your dream job.
TrulyBland2 votesWe need actual rules. Not biased opinions on what's tolerated and what isn't.
You are aware we are talking about an entirely subjective problem to begin with, right? Any "actual rule" will be the result of a "biased opinion", regardless of whether you approve of it or not. The only difference in having "actual rules", would be that suddenly there would be cases of people technically not breaking the rules despite clearly pissing everybody off, as well as people doing things that technically are against the rules even though nobody minds it.
I see absolutely no benefit in defining a set of inflexible rules when it comes to player behaviour.
Cloud2731 votesYou are aware we are talking about an entirely subjective problem to begin with, right? Any "actual rule" will be the result of a "biased opinion", regardless of whether you approve of it or not. The only difference in having "actual rules", would be that suddenly there would be cases of people technically not breaking the rules despite clearly pissing everybody off, as well as people doing things that technically are against the rules even though nobody minds it.
I see absolutely no benefit in defining a set of inflexible rules when it comes to player behaviour.
Just because people piss off their teammates doesn't mean they should be punished for it. That's why we need rules.
TrulyBland2 votesJust because people piss off their teammates doesn't mean they should be punished for it. That's why we need rules.
Sorry, I should have said "intentionally" there. Got a little bit lost in translation, since the best suitable translation for "pissing everybody off" in my native language already implies intentionality.
But just to reiterate my actual main point: We have the rules we have as a result of what you call biased opinions. If we had clear rules, they would still be the result of those same biased opinions, because what will and what will not be tolerated will ultimately always be based on what the community thinks should or should not be tolerated. The only difference is that clear rules would require significantly more manual work to keep them up to date and adapt them to cultural changes (which happen absurdly fast on the internet).
It sounds more like you disagree with the basic premise of the rules, rather than the fact that they are too vague.
Verbally Abusing2 votesBtw if you're talking about verbal abuse for being toxic. Even if the people report you, it will do nothing because the machine goes through your chat logs.
General Esdeath 1 votesA group of kids?
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