ranked restrictions

New Scarr·8/20/2019, 6:34:00 AM·1 votes·1,819 views
Higher requirements for ranked

if these steps that are described in the linked post are implemented it would raise the fear of being perma banned 10 fold which i believe is beneficial to both high and low rank players. low elo is literal hell for those of us who are not masters or diamond lvl really all we want is to try and get to gold maybe higher if ever possible but if you have to rely on your 4 other team mates becuse you are not a 1v9 god it is beyond frustrating that more then half your wins arn't even because you played great but simply the enemy team had afk/trolls. needless to say you don't learn much or get much better in those games. then the same thing for your losses were more the 50 % are simply un winnable becuse you have multiple people trolling or afk . may be a good team of 4 can beat a team of 5 but when you have a team of 3 v5 and 2 peopl in the middle doing what evr they can to ruin the game.... elo hell is a real thing and its not the skill lvl and its not blaming bad players. it was the RNG of getting these people in your game except now its not RNG, its fact. your game is 90% guaranteed to have at least one of these trolls or afks in it. the question and the coin flip is which team gets them.

4 Comments

Umbral Regent8/20/2019, 7:23:07 AM5 votes

Other people have weighed in on your post in Gameplay, so I'm going to try to cover as much as I can from it as well as here. Starting with this;

every no vote is literally someone who wants to troll and enjoys ruining other peoples games so if every time they have to make a new account they had to do this it would be an issue.

That's called an ad-hominem attack. You're claiming that the people who disagree with you, for one reason or another, are all trolls. If that's how you respond to criticism and disagreement, then your argument is hardly worth considering. Bear that in mind for future discussions, because I'm only going to personally give you benefit of the doubt once.

please make it so in order to play a champion in ranked you must have a minimum mastery with that champion and your over all mastery score. for example if the minimum mastery requirement per champion is rank 5 (the highest rank you get for just playing enough games to earn the mastery points regardless of how good you are). then you should have to have a minimum of 20 champions to play ranked which would also require a minimum mastery score of the equivalent (20 champions x level 5 mastery rank).

You're far from the first person to suggest placing a Mastery Restriction on Ranked - but you're certainly the first I've seen to off-handedly bring up the first problem with the idea of a Mastery Restriction.

Mastery != skill. Higher mastery does not equate to higher overall skill with the Champion, especially if our supposed cap is MR5 - all that means is that you played that Champion a lot. It doesn't mean you understand their kit, and it doesn't mean you're good at them - it doesn't factor in whether you've been carried or been doing the carrying, or if you have any real understanding of how they play.

Of course, there is the general understanding that, the more you play something, the better you understand how it works, but there's also a point to be made of general game knowledge trumping per-Champion skill. I, personally, am pretty adept at the game overall, and have hardly any difficulty picking up a new Champion.

Another issue with a Mastery Restriction would come as a side-effect of what you've also already pointed out, which is the need to have 20 Champions at MR5 to play Ranked.

What happens when I get Autofilled Support, but all 20 of my MR5 Champions are top/mid-laners? What if I just so happen to have no Champions who can feasibly be played Support? Do I just have to bullshit it, or pray that someone's willing to swap roles with me?

after that simple addition to the ranked ladder it would also solve the issue for when new champions come out since you will now have to lvl up to rank 5 mastery and by then they should ether be balance or you should at least know the basics.

Okay, well, that solves the hypothetical problem for new Champions, but what about VGU's? What if I'm Mastery Rank 5 on a Champion, and they get a VGU which fundamentally changes their kit and playstyle, like what they did with Galio? I'm still MR5 on the Champion, but I'm gonna have to acclimate to the new kit - so if new Champions are a problem, then you also have to consider VGUs a problem, too.

being lvl 30 and then joing your first ranked game were they place you in silver or higher elo is wrong. why is iron there if everyone who should be in that elo is just placed above it, so they drag people down with them.

Players are placed more-or-less at a fair starting point so that their skill can dictate whether they climb or fall. It's like Honor - all accounts start off at Honor Level 2, despite 1 and 0 being a thing. Silver is just the Ranked "baseline", and players who don't play well will simply fall to Bronze and then to Iron, whereas people who play well will climb out of Silver anon.

Bonus points; do you really expect someone to get to Mastery Rank 5 on 20 Champions by Level 30?

if these steps that are described in the linked post are implemented it would raise the fear of being perma banned 10 fold which i believe is beneficial to both high and low rank players.

Your suggestions in the other post wouldn't increase the fear of being permanently banned, it would just aggravate players who want to play Ranked but have to deal with pointless, arbitrary restrictions.

The rest of your post here seems to just be ranting about low-elo matches and being unable to carry matches; to which I can only say, practice. If you want to get good enough to carry matches and climb? Improve yourself. But the majority of this post has little to do with the suggestions from your other post.

Some additional stray thoughts;

Mastery Restrictions ignore the possibility that players can be good at the game overall (as mentioned before), and also ignores that players who have high Mastery on a Champion may just have gotten lucky with them a few times - that's certainly the case for me with Azir, whom I have at Mastery Rank 7, but cannot play for my life.

They also needlessly punish One-Trick Ponies, which, while it's generally favorable to have more than just one Champion you can play well in case your favorite gets banned, One-Tricking is still a viable playstyle, and I'm certain more than a few would be grievously inconvenienced by your suggestion.

Your problem with "New Champions" also can be called into question due to the existence of the Public Beta Environment; New Champions and VGUs virtually always get a month of playtesting time on the PBE, and there are doubtless people who are fresh mains of the Champion (for whatever reason attracted them to them in the PBE) who would also be inconvenienced by an arbitrary Mastery Restriction.

zPOOPz8/20/2019, 8:07:54 AM4 votes

It would not raise any fear. It would just be annoying for the sake of annoying. Nothing more. What's more is it would just add more to the whole "it's just normal" excuse to be toxic, but now it's more like "it's just normal. I'm only here to get my mastery so I can play ranked. idgaf if we lose".

Terrible idea. This is hardly some new and innovative idea. It has been discussed to death for months/years.

Koiyaki8/20/2019, 6:21:20 PM1 votes

Ur speaking as if people don't troll/afk in mid diamond+

Trust me...they do, people are jerks and nothing is gonna change that.

New Scarr8/20/2019, 7:32:00 PM1 votes

in the end im not good at htis game. i have a couple hours each night to try and have fun but when i guess its just my luck brings every single game i play to a win/loss based on trolls and afks. you can say im just sick of it. and since the majority of the player base is in low elo it dosent make sense that there is no steps being taken to rectify or balance the quality of game play for these people. its kind of hard to carry even as a good team of 3 when the other 2 are working against you. so trying to carry as 1 seems even less likely. but i do appreciate all comments and thoughts. yes i am tilted af with this game and i guess its just my luck to get the games and teams i do