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How does talking help?

Nightsky Pirate·11/27/2019, 7:40:45 PM·1 votes·1,869 views

Ya might know my shtick by now, I want to see encouragement to behave well, not just verbal abuse punishment. Please understand and stop glorifying the sacrifices. Verbal abuse isn't the worst and it shouldn't be grounds for permanent bans. However, the focus is how to improve player behavior. Which is what this forum is all about, but posts like this are sparse. What is the best use of chat? Coordinating? Trash talking the enemy? Seeking tips and advice? Understanding your ally's strategy and items?

What about trying to prevent or stopping tilt?

That last one is a doozy. Some have a gift for it- and I daresay, that gift might be more powerful than the support's R in some games. Yet, there's a problem, not all of us have the gift, but try to do that anyway. It just plain makes sense to do so. In the words of someone else, "tilt-feeding is more powerful than carrying". Unfortunately for most of us without the gift of ... nauseating kindness ... or without the patience to be so careful with words, our current system is as likely to get such efforts punished as it is to un-tilt someone. Makes sense- with the number of shamers out there, it's a good idea to just /mute all as soon as you make a mistake. We're primed to trigger on words, the expectation to get flamed for making the game harder to win.

This is bad.

I leave you with a question, what encouragement can be made for those who don't have the forbearance of a saint but still want to help?

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Umbral Regent11/27/2019, 9:54:51 PM4 votes

I leave you with a question, what encouragement can be made for those who...still want to help?

Here's a start. Stop doing this:

Some have a gift for it...Yet, there's a problem, not all of us have the gift...

Unfortunately for most of us without the gift of ... nauseating kindness ... or without the patience to be so careful with words...

...don't have the forbearance of a saint...

When you phrase it like this, you're making it that much harder for anyone to consider trying, because you're either making it sound nigh-on impossible, making it sound like an inhuman feat of self-control, that it'll make you sick to be decent to someone else, or that you have to be the umpteenth reincarnation of Buddha in order to not get punished.

Everyone can exhibit control over themselves. Everyone can be patient with others, can phrase things without insult, can just be decent to other people. The more you make remarks like "needing the forbearance of a saint" or "nauseating kindness", the less you incentivize actually communicating with people.

All of the examples you listed above as uses for chat are easy to do without issue;

Coordinating?

"Yi, you solo baron while we keep their attention mid"

"I'm going to split-push, defend base, but don't chase them if they come for me"

"We need to group"

Trash talking the enemy?

"That flash"

"9 HP left"

"Man I'm popular"

Seeking tips and advice?

"Are my runes decent?"

"What items should I build?"

"What mechanics should I focus on?"

Understanding your ally's strategy and items?

"What's the Lethality for?"

"AS on Garen?"

"That's an odd rune choice, how's it work?"

What about trying to prevent or stopping tilt?

"Just breathe, we got this"

"We scale harder, we just need to play safer"

"We can take them next fight"

If you're somehow getting punished for trying to communicate in any of the ways you described, then you need to reevaluate how you're communicating, because clearly, there's an issue on your side if that becomes the case.

Tele II11/27/2019, 10:46:52 PM3 votes

I think you should stop glorifying the ability to control yourself as if its some grand amazing feat of strength. Youre building it up so much in your mind that it makes it seem like such a difficult task. I think its important to put things in context.

You are playing a video game for fun. The video game has rules. All you gotta do is figure out those rules, and dont break them. Before you type, think how it could be considered breaking the rules. If it seems like it could be considered breaking the rules, dont type/do it.

You dont need sainthood. You need a little bit of reason and a little bit of logic. You can think and say all the rule breaking shit you want. Riots rules arent about whats in your heart. They arent trying to mold you into a saint that only thinks positive thoughts and wants to help people. Theyre just trying to prevent toxicity IN CHAT, to clean their reputation of having such a toxic community that drives away potential players and causes some players to quit the game.

Its not about morality. Try thinking of it in that context. Just dont put it in chat. You can go punch your mother, Riot wont give a shit. Their rules arent a moral code to live by. They apply only in the vacuum of the game itself, and become a part of the game. So if you play league, youre also playing the game of 'the chat has rules, dont break them'. Treat it like another part of the game. Or try at least. Thats all you can do.

Kei14311/27/2019, 7:56:24 PM2 votes

I use chat mainly for coordination and prevent tilt.

If I see someone struggling with a match up that I know how to play, I'll give them some tips on how to play it, and sometimes that's enough to untilt them. Or at my rank, teach my bot lane partner how to CS under tower.