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Deep T Inc··2 votes·228 views

Now that all the preseason changes have been announced, I'd like to propose a change of my own: a ban appeal system.

Currently there is no form of appealing a permanent ban issued by the instant feedback system, except for the support-ticket one which provides close to no result but for a back and forth discussion on "How I did nothing wrong" and "We're sorry but there's nothing to be done.".

So what I am proposing here is not a make-a-wish foundation for getting players unbanned at will because they've been good mama's boys since they were banned or because there has been a long period of time which can be considered as a "well earned time of thoughtful behaviour revision" so the player is no longer a gas can ready to be ignited but rather a "probation time" or some sort of mark on the player in cause. Look at it at some kind of reintegrating a meth-addict into society, a rehab. Possibly a centralized system of players "banned but unbanned" where they are allowed (or not, depending on how bad their actions were) to regain control over their banned account, but kept a close eye onto so that at their next wrong move they will be permanently locked down for good, with no chance of revision whatsoever, sort of a "leech" to a player's account that triggers instantly when he/she tends to have an uncouth behaviour.

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NinjaGuy691 votes

I don't think Riot would actually implement this system mainly because League of Legends already has a reform system in place that handles this. It's the reason why people usually get more than one ban before they are permabanned - so that they can learn from the ban and reflect upon their actions. Sure, if Riot was straight up permabanning accounts on their first offense, then maybe a system like this can work but I've never heard a story where the first ban someone received ended up being a permaban.

Deep T Inc1 votes

While I agree on it, yes there is a system in place and people do get second chances, I do not believe in it being a very successful one. I am not aware of how other regions' ban frequency works but on the EUNE the system is getting pretty sloppy. I do get the idea of not being a perfect system and it does its best to make the game a more pleasurable environment for all sort of players but it is just not working as it should most of the times.

NinjaGuy691 votes

While I agree on it, yes there is a system in place and people do get second chances, I do not believe in it being a very successful one.

The current system's success doesn't depend on whether or not it gets people to reform. It depends on if people want to reform. The system is working just the way it should be. If you get a ban and you reform, then the system was successful in removing one more toxic player from the community. If you continue to be toxic and eventually get permabanned for it, then guess what? The system was successful in removing one more toxic player from the community.

Deep T Inc1 votes

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The current system's success doesn't depend on whether or not it gets people to reform.

It is not the reform part that concerns me, it's the fact that sometimes it targets people doing small chit-chat slurs while others continue on behaving neanderthalic for as much as they want.

NinjaGuy691 votes

It is not the reform part that concerns me, it's the fact that sometimes it targets people doing small chit-chat slurs while others continue on behaving neanderthalic for as much as they want.

Can you define what you mean by "behaving neanderthalic"? The system is designed to weigh certain offenses differently. For example, if you verbally harass others with excessive profanity, you may only get a chat ban for a few games. However, if you intentionally feed, assist the enemy team, incite others to commit acts of self-harm, use third-party software to cheat, or use racist/inappropriate speech, then you'll probably end up getting a 14-day ban because Riot considers all of these things to be very serious offenses.

Deep T Inc1 votes

Mainly people flaming on a regular basis. Personally I have a couple of friends who play the game just for the lol's and in every game they just don't give a shit, they regulary flame the living hell out of the enemy team. Not the regular "gg izi noob" or things like that, we're talking hard-on flaming and they never got restricted in any form.

Myself? Got suspended for a simple "suck a dick ahri" at the end of game, couple of seconds before the ending defeat screen, towards an AFK Ahri and a "%%%got" addressed to a friend of mine in a game where the in-game private chat was not working.

Plus lately every game (or most of the games) I play there's always one or two flaming each other over something stupid like taking a kill and they end up flaming us all just because. Never got a notification of any form following the post-game reports.

NinjaGuy691 votes

Myself? Got suspended for a simple "suck a dick ahri" at the end of game

Riot considers crude language like that to be worse than everyday profanity, if that helps to explain it. Also, when you called your friend that other word, that was even more serious because Riot considers that word to be a slur and automatically escalates any uses of that word to a 14-day ban (if I'm not mistaken).

Lastly, I wouldn't be surprised if people flame each other frequently. It's League of Legends dude. Just don't be the one doing the flaming and you'll be fine.

Deep T Inc1 votes

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Riot considers crude language like that to be worse than everyday profanity

So calling an AFK player out for their behaviour even if they will never get to see the actual message , on top of being a normal act of oral sex said in a pretty vulgar way, I'll admit that, is far worse than people complaining permanently in your game over small issues that matter to nobody?

Calling my friend that other word has nothing to do with profanity whatsoever, the private chat was purely unavailable at that point so I thought "Meh, talking in normal chat with him won't do any harm to anyone.". Apparently not, even thought I made it clear I can not PM him.

Edit: Also, when I actually got banned I made a post on the forum about how it was unfair and blah blah, in quite a fashioned way, carefully picking my words. I was met by quite a bunch of assholes who started calling me names and to my surprise, they were all getting upvotes while my actual post was met with downvotes. I guess that sums up part of the community.

Yeah, that's the issue. It's League of Legends, not baby preschool time. Also I do think we derailed a little bit from the actual topic into some pretty useless drama.

NinjaGuy691 votes

I don't make the rules man, I just try to follow them. Sorry that you got an AFK in your game, but the best thing to do about it is to just ignore it, and hope the game ends as soon as possible so you can move on to the next game. Also, if you type a lot in chat, you can click on the chat and move it off your screen so you wouldn't be tempted to use it. That's my best advice. Good luck.

Deep T Inc1 votes

Muting is always the solution but let's be fair. From time to time the only fun you can have in this game is trigger the living hell out of some prestige kids.

There wasn't a point of solving an issue here to begin with, it's the forum. We just talk. [slayer-jinx-wink]

NinjaGuy691 votes

I mean, it's true that no one can tell you how to live your life. You decide your own actions at the end of the day. EU has the best shitposters anyway so I'm down to read their posts for a good laugh or two.

hshtagniemehrcdu1 votes

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It is not the reform part that concerns me, it's the fact that sometimes it targets people doing small chit-chat slurs

In order to get a permaban for that, you first need to flame in prettty much every single game, and then not give a shit about 35 games of chat restrictions and a perma. ITs really takes a lot of effort to get a perma for that

while others continue on behaving neanderthalic for as much as they want.

That is complete nonsense. IF you make such a statement, provide a reliable source...

Kei1431 votes

there is a system in place and people do get second chances

14-day ban is your 2nd chance

hshtagniemehrcdu1 votes

There is a huge problem with it.

It creates an incentive for permanently banned players to create a new account. And the lvl 20 challenge demonstrated, that the vast majority (95%+) of palyers that manage to get a permaban, are so inherently toxic, that they simply wont change. In that test, they said number didn't even manage to get a new account to lvl 20 before getting banne again by the tribunal, which was already relly, rreally slow to react.

It is simply irresponsible to give permanently banned players a incentive to create a new account, because this will greatly increase toxicity. These players had their chances, at some point it is simply time to think about all the other players that would be forced to play with them. Its horribly unfair to force all the other players to endure these people.

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