Give complete everyone's chat in logs when you chat ban people

Meteor Driz·Jul 18, 2018·2 votes·1,227 views

Just to clarify - I'm not chat banned or anything like that.

I just was reading yet another person who posted their chat logs on the forums and I could see him starting off trying to be nice and other people's harassment just made him get more and more angry. I think its only fair that when Riot chat bans you, they post the full chat logs of everyone in the game so that context can be given.

Without it, it really only tells one side of the story and let's be real - This isnt kindergarten. You can't walk up to someone and start insulting them and then get mad if they take a swing at you.

12 Comments

ChermorgJul 18, 20188 votes

Players are judged only on their behavior. Using your example of insulting someone, there's a couple things wrong with it:

Players can mute. If they don't want to see you insulting them, they're free to mute. They are not free to violate rules themselves.
It's a video game. There is never any excuse to be toxic in a video game. There is an excuse to hit someone in real life in some circumstances.

disregardableJul 18, 20185 votes

if both parties are flaming, both get reported, both get punished.

it doesn't matter who started it.

Meteor DrizJul 20, 20181 votes

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if both parties are flaming, both get reported, both get punished.

it doesn't matter who started it.

Such childish logic. So you're saying if person A is harassing person B for 30 minutes straight and person B just keep trying to have a positive attitude and then eventually can't take it anymore and snaps - there is absolutely no way consider any details around the situation.

You know the actual justice system includes lesser punishments for retaliations if the defendant is provoked right? I think you are someone with very low intelligence and absolutely no relevant life knowledge or perspective. One day you will grow up and have to do something other than sit around using your parents money to buy league of legends skins and you'll understand the world a bit better.

GabresolJul 20, 20181 votes

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Such childish logic. So you're saying if person A is harassing person B for 30 minutes straight and person B just keep trying to have a positive attitude and then eventually can't take it anymore and snaps - there is absolutely no way consider any details around the situation.

You know the actual justice system includes lesser punishments for retaliations if the defendant is provoked right? I think you are someone with very low intelligence and absolutely no relevant life knowledge or perspective. One day you will grow up and have to do something other than sit around using your parents money to buy league of legends skins and you'll understand the world a bit better.

Riot games is not some court that has there game set up to represent some countries law system. Riot has set the ToS and if you fail to follow them they have all right to punish you.

Meteor DrizJul 20, 20181 votes

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Riot games is not some court that has there game set up to represent some countries law system. Riot has set the ToS and if you fail to follow them they have all right to punish you.

I dont think that means its a closed discussion and it can't be improved upon. I think that someone should have the right to say "fuck you" back to a comment like mine for example.

ModPrandineJul 21, 2018

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I dont think that means its a closed discussion and it can't be improved upon. I think that someone should have the right to say "fuck you" back to a comment like mine for example.

Answer me this: what benefit comes out by arguing with or yelling at someone in the game? Is it gonna magically make them play better or get them to behave? Most of the time it'll just make them play or behave worse than they already are and you just waste time while doing so. From the IFS FAQ:

WHY WAS I PUNISHED WHEN THE OTHER PERSON WAS WORSE OR STARTED IT! Simply speaking, retaliation is not an acceptable or justifiable behavior. An argument between two players can easily create a negative experience for the rest of the players in the game with you. Regardless of the other player’s actions, this does not justify your own behavior. You alone are responsible for your actions within the game. If you encounter a toxic player like this, the best option is to simply report their behavior and move on. Reports are a vital piece to the puzzle. If you are not sure of what sort of behavior is reportable take a look at the Reporting a Player FAQ

AneirinJul 18, 20185 votes

You can't walk up to someone and start insulting them and then get mad if they take a swing at you.

Because in real life there isn't an instant mute button that makes the person disappear, nor a report button that will see them punished later, nor does punching them hit 3 other people as well.

Flaming back to a flamer just means your team has to deal with twice as much flaming. It doesn't solve a damn thing. When there is a solution that is better for everyone involved, choosing a worse option and then complaining about being punished for breaking the rules rings hollow.

Jo0oJul 18, 20184 votes

Escalating arguments and flame-wars is just as bad, if not worse, than starting them. Five people need to work together for a team to win in League. Carrying on a fight with a teammate damages team cohesion.

Posting full logs with all players involved implies that there are justifiable situations for behavior that is damaging to team morale and communication. There aren't.

Umbral RegentJul 18, 20184 votes

I think its only fair that when Riot chat bans you, they post the full chat logs of everyone in the game so that context can be given.

The context - the "why" - doesn't matter. What matters is that the person flamed. It's disruptive, and wholly unwelcome in League.

And let's be real - this isn't Kindergarten. You can't get into a fight and then say "he started it" when you both get punished.

PrimaquariusJul 18, 20183 votes

Its not relevant to the punished person to show all logs, because that just gives them an ego on the way out. What we have now, where the punished only sees their own logs, is fair enough.

They dont need to know about anothers punishment, if it is even applied

Kei143Jul 18, 20182 votes

Why would we care about what the others say?

The system punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning the system analyzes the whole behavioral history of the reported person, and not just that one game.

We certainly need more clarity, but not what others say, but rather a more in depth reform card that show how many games someone was recently validly reported and the percentage of games they were toxic in.