Give complete everyone's chat in logs when you chat ban people

Meteor Driz·7/18/2018, 10:23:30 PM·2 votes·1,227 views

Just to clarify - I'm not chat banned or anything like that.

I just was reading yet another person who posted their chat logs on the forums and I could see him starting off trying to be nice and other people's harassment just made him get more and more angry. I think its only fair that when Riot chat bans you, they post the full chat logs of everyone in the game so that context can be given.

Without it, it really only tells one side of the story and let's be real - This isnt kindergarten. You can't walk up to someone and start insulting them and then get mad if they take a swing at you.

12 Comments

Chermorg7/18/2018, 10:33:35 PM8 votes

Players are judged only on their behavior. Using your example of insulting someone, there's a couple things wrong with it:

Players can mute. If they don't want to see you insulting them, they're free to mute. They are not free to violate rules themselves.
It's a video game. There is never any excuse to be toxic in a video game. There is an excuse to hit someone in real life in some circumstances.

Aneirin7/18/2018, 10:29:11 PM5 votes

You can't walk up to someone and start insulting them and then get mad if they take a swing at you.

Because in real life there isn't an instant mute button that makes the person disappear, nor a report button that will see them punished later, nor does punching them hit 3 other people as well.

Flaming back to a flamer just means your team has to deal with twice as much flaming. It doesn't solve a damn thing. When there is a solution that is better for everyone involved, choosing a worse option and then complaining about being punished for breaking the rules rings hollow.

disregardable7/18/2018, 10:27:13 PM5 votes

if both parties are flaming, both get reported, both get punished.

it doesn't matter who started it.

Umbral Regent7/18/2018, 10:29:31 PM4 votes

I think its only fair that when Riot chat bans you, they post the full chat logs of everyone in the game so that context can be given.

The context - the "why" - doesn't matter. What matters is that the person flamed. It's disruptive, and wholly unwelcome in League.

And let's be real - this isn't Kindergarten. You can't get into a fight and then say "he started it" when you both get punished.

Jo0o7/18/2018, 10:29:04 PM4 votes

Escalating arguments and flame-wars is just as bad, if not worse, than starting them. Five people need to work together for a team to win in League. Carrying on a fight with a teammate damages team cohesion.

Posting full logs with all players involved implies that there are justifiable situations for behavior that is damaging to team morale and communication. There aren't.

Primaquarius7/18/2018, 10:28:05 PM3 votes

Its not relevant to the punished person to show all logs, because that just gives them an ego on the way out. What we have now, where the punished only sees their own logs, is fair enough.

They dont need to know about anothers punishment, if it is even applied

Kei1437/18/2018, 10:59:14 PM2 votes

Why would we care about what the others say?

The system punishes based on consistency x severity, meaning the system analyzes the whole behavioral history of the reported person, and not just that one game.

We certainly need more clarity, but not what others say, but rather a more in depth reform card that show how many games someone was recently validly reported and the percentage of games they were toxic in.