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Why Am I Not Allowed to Learn New Champs

Fighter Ignite1·11/27/2017, 12:26:00 AM·7 votes·2,352 views

I'm sure almost everyone who wanted to learn a hard champ has experienced this. People WILL NOT want you to learn hard champs. And I could understand this in ranked, but I only play norms. I have tried to learn multiple hard champs like Leblanc, Draven, Gangplank, and more. And you know how many of those champs I got good at? None! This because whenever I say that I'm new to a champ, I usually get people threaten to report me (its not going to work), people telling me play a different champ, people who will straight up ban my champ, dodgers, and many more. Just for trying to learn a new champ. However, there are two things that really piss me off:

  1. People always start putting the blame on me when we lose, a game takes forever, or whenever the team fucks up. While it could be me, its not all my fault. I've won games where someone went afk. Do you really think me being bad at a champ lost me entire games? No! Most of the times I lose these games is because a teammate(s) decide to let their rage get to them about me being "bad" and start doing dumb stuff.
  2. They tell me to play a bot match. This one is not that bad, but it still makes me angry. Bots are not a very helpful learning tool, unless I'm new to the game. Trying to learn through bot matches make learning the champion really slow. I hate this response because its like they think they are going to lose LP for me not playing a bot game, when, again, I don't play ranked.

My Solutions:

  1. If you a person who does this, stop. Don't flame someone for trying to learn a new champion unless its in ranked
  2. If you see that a person is getting affected by this, defend them. Trust me; It helps.
  3. If you're being affected by this, mute the players in-game, and if they start doing something dumb like inting, report them. I never did this except for the report part and it could really help. Now will it stop the people from banning you're champ? No. At that point, do what you want to fix that problem. There are a variety of obvious options. And don't worry about report threats either. They won't work
  4. Practice in the practice tool a little. Now practice tool isn't like people moving champs, but you can learn at least something. This will help reduce the flame. Just don't rely on the practice tool for learning a champ entirely. Its worse than bot games.

I'm bringing this up now because I think I might want to learn Zoe. She looks really fun. But I already know that as soon as people figure out how hard she is, I'm going to get bullshit for trying to learn her. This is one version of people being toxic, and we are not going to be able to fix it, but there are things we can do to help. Zoe

Thank you for taking you're time to read this. Hope you can learn a hard champ without problems. [draven-pose]

17 Comments

mosaickle11/27/2017, 12:48:47 AM4 votes

Well, if you're just getting toxic people who flame you for trying a hard champion then it's their issue.

However if you're actually doing horribly and making terrible decisions then it's pretty much your fault.

On practice mode you can learn so much of a champion, their AA/abilitiy speeds, range, width, timing, combos etc On bots you can learn from let's say cooldown management (since practice mode everyone makes the cooldowns refresh) By then you should be able to at least 'not feed' as anyone.

Thus if you're feeding, of course you're gonna get flamed. I'm not saying it's correct, but you should expect it. If you're not feeding then it's their issue.

I've never learned any hard champions with problems because I always know at least how not to feed. No one's gonna flame you for being 0/0/0 at 10 or even 15 minutes.

Sarutobi11/27/2017, 12:42:54 AM3 votes

While i do agree with you, and try my best to help people who want to learn new champions. In my opinion there is a difference between someone learning it and someone who uses it as an excuse to basically ruin the game for others. In my opinion people who are new to a champion (especially one who is a new release) should at least train for a couple games in Vs Ai or Customs. That way you know the skills, can test out how it works and see a build path you want to go throughout the game with (depending on the matchup)

Ive seen too many people use this excuse of being a new champion and knowing absolutely nothing about said champion. This ruins the game for the rest of the people on your team because you are hindering their chances of winning by going in blind. Its not fair to them or even yourself because you cant really improve that way as you have no clue how the champion works especially in a PvP setting!

Aryzyra11/27/2017, 5:02:31 PM2 votes

Some folks just want to get angry. If you let angry people know you're new to a champ, they'll focus on and complain about your play even more than if you didn't tell them you're learning. The non-angry people won't really care if you're doing poorly in normals. Maybe just don't inform people, focus on what you're trying to learn, and mute the angry ones.

Zombie Gerbil11/27/2017, 5:24:14 AM1 votes

Zoe is amazingly fun. I tried her out on my own time with the bots, to understand her combo and overall mechanic of that champion. I had to understand her range, how do I get around the minions to hit the champion, how fast can I react, etc. Then I tried her out in normal. Sadly somehow I got put against a level 21 and I simply dominated the poor Diana. So I really got used to her from there.

As for your input and comments, I absolutely agree with the most part of it. As for defending the player, it really depends on how you defend them. Most players take the bad route and end up overly defending them, cussing them out, insulting, etc. If you put in a simple "Hey chill, he's trying her/him out and it's a normal game. Let's all do our best." Then YES, I would recommend that nice route. But you have to be careful, and I would suggest (like you) the player to mute them.

Just be careful of what you say is all when it comes to defending. Mostly I would never recommend it.

Strawberrycocoa11/27/2017, 5:38:31 AM1 votes

The answer to the question in the title is simple: people don't like losing, and they don't like seeing teammates with low scores. There's a lot of people in normals that get a bit too hung up on winning the game, and will be mouthy enough to let you know about it. I've both been berated by them and been the one berating. I try not to, but heat of the moment it just slips out. :\ Sorry.

Ada Wong11/28/2017, 2:16:57 AM1 votes

The only way to learn a new champion is in ranked lol casuals no one plays seriously, and just watching a YouTube Video is enough to understand the basics of a champion.

Six Inch Heals11/28/2017, 3:06:45 AM1 votes

A solution:

"Hey, I'm new to X, sorry if I feed or play terribly" at champ select.

It's not hard.

jimbosagod12/7/2018, 6:49:03 PM1 votes

Year old post but solution was simple for me, when playing a new champion in normals, don't mention it until as the game starts, then "/mute all" and you will have all your attention on playing whatever champion for the first time in a real PvP match and not reading teammates flaming and needing to mute them later after they tilt you or something. Personally if I find myself doing well after being in game for a while I'll unmute. Muting all helps whenever playing a new champion, even if your not feeding. For example the other night I played Lucian for the first time in a PvP match(kinda new to playing ADC in general), ended the game 5/3/5, I can almost guarantee that I would have done much worse and probably fed if I didn't /mute all at the start because MY MECHANICS WERE JUST SO SHIT THERE WAS NO WAY MY SUPPORT WASN'T FLAMING ME ID FLAME MYSELF(lmao), I barely AA'd right between abilities for passive double shot and it was just awful, but because I didn't have to hear someone else telling my how shit my mechanics were I just had fun with it and got slightly better as the game went on and ended up being semi useful.

Karunamon11/27/2017, 12:46:42 AM1 votes
  • Step 1: Start with vs AI matches - once you can beat AIs without dying and figure out how to CS, you're ready to go. (This is for your own good, and it'll mostly stop you from getting yelled at)
  • Step 2: Normal blind picks. If you're playing a champ that's hardstuck on a lane (i.e. you're learning a hard support like Nami), you might not always get it, but aside from that play the champ wherever you want to learn them. Normals are where you go to try silly stuff - if people want to scream at you there, mute 'em and continue on.
  • ** Step 3:** By the time you're comfortable with both of these, the "BAN ALL NEW CHAMPS WHARRGARBLE" types should be over themselves and you can continue draft mode as usual, unless your champ is basically the next Yasuo or Teemo in which case good luck, you'll only get to play them 50% of the time :/

I'd personally like to see a combo of "No new champs in ranked draft until X wins or X time past release (whichever comes first)" combined with an inability to ban new champs during that same period. Call it something catchy like the "reserved period".

...because this happens every single stinkin' time there's a new release and it gets old.

But the above tactics will usually get you over the hump.

ValyrianBlade11/27/2017, 12:51:42 AM1 votes

You should still start with bots to learn basic combos and how to last hit with them properly.

Hell, even when I'm returning to a champion I'm good at I only get 40-50% cs for the first couple waves, when I normally get 90-100%. On a brand new champion, the missed CS is a big difference that can be efficiently practiced outside of PvP. Also just getting to know the range of your abilities, what abilities you can last hit with, or poke with, etc... One 8min bot game is enough to get the basics down, then go to normals with an idea of what you're doing (and preferably look up a build, runes, etc... ahead of time too).