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Stars Shaper··1 votes·552 views

Intro: While this is 50% a rant I ask you to ignore that before the downvote rain and sicnerally tell me if this is untollerable flaming and I'm not allowed to express any kind of disappointment in game chat.

Is this Flaming?

I'm talking seriously here. I know that I get a bit aggressive when team mates start going bad in lane or don't respond to my warnings. I've not recieved any warning nor am I muted but I really need to know if this is objective flaming because then I might really need to revaluate my speech. I know the context of the game is huge and toxicity can't be evaluated just by this but I'll try to give a fair image of the situation.

  1. Rengar ganks midlane (my lane) after I died during a pretty long engage, before this he was roaming in the bushes around mid he kills my enemy (left at 30% hp) he did the same before botlane without getting a kill Me: Rengar, try to gank when ppl are alive.

  2. I ping our toplane Illaoi that there is danger coming from mid and I even write it to him that 1-2 ppl are coming (couldn't see midlane). He stays and gets killed, they proceed on taking the tower Me: Illaoi... really? (I can see this as flaming as it didn't add anything constructive, yet if some1 told me so I would consider it a rant and try to exorcise it with a "yeah mb/sorry")

  3. Second time I try to gank botlane, our Nami uses her ultimate again when I'm too far to geta dvantage of it (playing Yasuo) Me: Nami I need your ultimate to use mine so try not to throw it randomly (Disclamer: I know I can knockup ppl myself duh... and while I could be an illuminated zen pratictioner I displayed a rather aggressive atittude)

10 Comments

Deep Terror Nami2 votes

I wouldn't classify it as "flaming", necessarily. More like "passive-aggressive negativity".

If they might infer that you are insulting them, you're better off not saying anything. Perception is important.

Stars Shaper1 votes

Exactly why I'm asking to most ppl possible xD

alasarcher1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mFaLiEpe,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-02-10T15:14:04.135+0000)

Exactly why I'm asking to most ppl possible xD

Negativity is also shunned upon. Stupid questions and pointless comments are generally equal to flaming. Like after someone overstays and dies and you ask him "why did you stay?". U know why he stayed, he stayed to get couple more CS or exp to lvlup or to try to outplay opponent, and yet you (not meaning you personally, some people) ask "why?". Just to humiliate him even more, like he doesnt know his mistake. Cant people just mind their own business and not get their nose into whatever others are doing? This isnt your challenger team where you call shots or criticize people for their mistakes. They know their mistakes. They dont need some egoistic cretin who is doing better than them that game to humiliate them even more after being outplayed by their lane opponent. If u see person struggling on lane, either go help him, or shut your mouth (or chat) and let him try to deal with it.

Stars Shaper1 votes

I can see that. But there is an easy way to fight it back into ppl like me and it's the reaction I have when most of the times I do fckup and it's saying "mb, I'm sorry" or something in the lines of "Yeah, will be more careful" or "I panicked" which ever is the truth and whichever shows that you care about what's happening and not just pointing out that I'm being negative (like nothing bad has happened).

About the renagr thing I was not upset that he did get the kill while I could be the one with it if he ganked earlier, I'm of the idea that whoever gets a kill of my team did a good job because betetr an assist for me than letting the enemy live (note, I did get the assist). What made me go down the passive-aggressive road is that I'm noticing more and more that the attitude of many players is "waiting for the kill to be certain to do anytng" instead of contributing to it and then finish it off. When junglers come to my lane and die after helping me I always tell them I'm sorry if there was a way i could have helped them survive be it a missed skillshot or a messed up CC.

Awkward Couch1 votes

I think it is also passive-aggressive negativity, which is annoying as fuck.

Korillo2 votes

You got a reform card to post or did you just get a warning? Otherwise this story is obviously lacking

Stars Shaper1 votes

I didn't. I asked the team if I was flaming (since rengara ccused me of it) and Illaoi answered yes so I asked myself if it reallyw as considered flaming. I'm not going to blabber about how this is not flaming for me or anything I will just adapt to what the situation is.

Korillo1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Stars Shaper,realm=EUW,application-id=ZGEFLEUQ,discussion-id=mFaLiEpe,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2016-02-10T15:13:29.514+0000)

I didn't. I asked the team if I was flaming (since rengara ccused me of it) and Illaoi answered yes so I asked myself if it reallyw as considered flaming. I'm not going to blabber about how this is not flaming for me or anything I will just adapt to what the situation is.

Well then it's tough to say if it's really flaming, probably not it doesn't even sound like you got reported or got a warning at least.

If I had to comment on what you said, it would be:

  1. Sounds like you got 1v1'd mid lane and Rengar came and finished off your low hp opponent after you died. It sounds like Rengar got the kill, yet you still gave him a hard time about showing up after you died. It's generally not helpful to put blame on your jungler for dying in your lane so this could be considered flame possibly, pretty mild though but definitely not a positive thing to say.

  2. You pointed it out yourself. You did what you could and they still died. Saying "I told you so" or basically something along those lines is generally not helpful, most people don't respond well to it and in a game of solo queue you don't usually know each other, so why make negative comments that could possibly tilt your teammates even more? You are on the same team!

  3. Maybe she didn't throw it "randomly". Maybe she threw the ultimate thinking it was the ideal moment for it. Perhaps it was a misplay, perhaps not, we don't have much context. But when you say "don't just randomly do things" you are suggesting that they aren't thinking about what they are doing, and obviously that they made a mistake. There was likely a more positive way you could have framed this.

While nothing you did sounds ultimately all that bad and it mostly sounds like your typical game of solo queue, there are definitely more positive ways you can frame the way you talk (if you choose to talk at all).

Weathered1 votes

For these three specific examples, I would not report and I don't see it as flaming. I see them as neutral. You could be nicer, but your not being mean, just making comments or neutral suggestions. Your fine as long as you don't get mad and say something you shouldn't.

I often use ._. to kind of show lack of emotion.

Samus721 votes

"Flaming" requires talking. Just don't type anything out and you're not flaming.

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