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Chat logs should include chat from ALL players. Context matters.

DOUBLE TAPPED E·6/11/2019, 4:17:40 PM·6 votes·2,250 views

Seriously bullying is not ok, and expecting someone to keep their cool when their allies, their team, the people who are supposed to be working together with them to win the game, supporting each other, are starting crap and singling someone out is ridiculous.

I was fine! I lost lane, I got outplayed, I joked a little about it with Yasuo even, because it was a nice play, and I knew I was screwed, I got it, I knew I had made a mistake it was obvious because I had been punished by the game giving him gold and me missing CS. I don't need to be talked down to and singled out repeatedly when people ask me why I did something and I answer them. The only reason I make any decision is because I think it's the right one, why else would I do it? What does saying things like "omg why did you do that you are so bad it hurts to watch" or "holy shit just don't play kat you need to uninstall the game" do to help my mental state? How is that supposed to keep me focused?

When someone plays bad in games where I'm doing well, I say things like "it's ok just play safe we outscale" or "don't worry our top is fed swap lanes and farm up"

I expect the same courtesy in return. Is that wrong? Should I not be allowed to expect that? Is that unreasonable? Is it bad for me to be angry at people who don't give me the same respect and patience that I give them when they screw up?

It's a BETRAYAL of the unspoken code that should exist between allies, and they DESERVE to be called out for it because they are WRONG for doing it, but nobody is allowed to because the robot system sees a few "fuck"s and "screw you"s and ignores everything else because it's a machine that can't think.

CONTEXT MATTERS.

"Just mute?"

I was taught that when someone starts harassing you and bullying you, you don't cower in fear, you don't go cry in the corner, you stand up to them, you get in their face and you tell them exactly why they are a piece of shit for being aggressive and inflammatory towards you when you haven't done anything to them in the first place except make a mistake in a video game when you are being matched with people 2-3 tiers above your ranked placement in a NORMAL game. Testing new builds is not ok with these people, testing new runes is not ok. Making mistakes is not ok. You must be perfect at all times and make perfect decisions or they attack you, and that is OK I guess. I guess that's in line with the summoner's code.

If someone hits you for no reason, you hit them back twice as hard. You make them think twice about fucking with you again. People know they can piss someone off by flaming and ganging up on them, and they do it on purpose because they know the person will be punished. They are being cruel and manipulative, and they deserve to be called out on it. They deserve to be seen for what they do, and hiding it in chat logs is just wrong.

I could post my last log, and there would be no context, right? It would just look like I'm being a complete asshole for no reason. You don't see the instigation that happens, the flame, the bullying, it's not right, it's not fair, and it's unjust.

The current punishment system is a passive endorsement of cyberbullying by Riot Games in my eyes.

30 Comments

GatekeeperTDS6/11/2019, 4:21:14 PM6 votes

I was taught that when someone starts harassing you and bullying you, you don't cower in fear, you don't go cry in the corner, you stand up to them, you get in their face

But this is a video game. There is no face. Want to know how to take the wind out of an anonymous asshole's sails really damn fast? Ignore them. Don't give them what they want, which is attention. We're not talking about in-person bullying here, we're talking about people whose self esteem is so low, they resort to abusing people in a video game. They're sad sacks and not worth any amount of your time or energy.

Arcade Lulu6/11/2019, 4:30:22 PM5 votes

Except that context doesn't matter and shouldn't matter sorry

You're being punished for your actions and words, so what other people do doesn't really matter It's kinda unfair, but that's how it is

It's honestly really easy to talk back at flamers without getting banned. Like, ridiculously easy

usul12026/11/2019, 4:38:12 PM4 votes

If someone hits you, you hit them back so they can't hit you again. If someone flames you, you flaming them back does not stop them from flaming you again, it encourages it. You gave the bully what they want. It's a completely different scenario, and that's why context usually doesn't matter.

Note that there is at least 1 situation that it does. There was a thing a long while back where someone came into lobby and said "say zero tolerence word 3 times or I int". Those bans were reversed and the situation was added to be contextually considered, according to a red post. Because in that context, the ZT word made the situation better, and thus wasn't ban worthy.

Telephone Booth6/11/2019, 9:23:07 PM3 votes

They would have to change the rules to "when someone breaks the rules to attack you personally, you are then free to break the rules to retaliate on the person who specifically attacked you" and that is just a fucking mess of an idea. Wouldnt work. At what point are you allowed to break them and how severely? Its too nuanced. The rules have to be a huge blanket that covers everything and everyone, otherwise we get bogged down in semantics and arguements of severity/personal offense. It sounds like an absolute mess.

R107 Games6/11/2019, 5:01:14 PM2 votes

Context should definently matter when flaming a troll/griefer/afk/bad player etc,. because the flame was evoked

Lemexis6/12/2019, 10:17:00 AM1 votes

I completely agree with you and I'm the same.

Now, this will get me downvoted and is a very unpopular opinion, but there are things you can do to stand up for yourself. Besides, I'm still new to the game, so maybe what I'm doing is getting me silently punished and I have no idea, but

You'll be punished for strong language and/or harassment. But you don't have to use ever of those things if you're attacked and want to defend yourself. You just have to say one or two simple things to really get back at them, and then clearly say that you muted and reported them in order to get the last word.

So, for example, suppose someone is saying you're an idiot for dying at some point in the game. Just answer by saying something along the lines of "I'm way better than you, you would have died 10 times already if you were in my situation right now, muted and reported", or "I'm way smarter than you'll ever be, dumbass, muted and reported". You get the idea.

Now compare that with all chatlogs that get posted. People won't get banned for one line that includes no strong words. Yet this is enough to defend yourself. You fought back, saying something that is likely to directly annoy or offend the person, and you even removed their ability to keep bullying in return, which will frustrate them to no ends. So you win, in this situation.

So next time someone is bullying you, take some time to think of a snarky come back, then do it, and mute right away. I can guarantee you that you'll feel like you successfully fought back, while being at very little risk to get any kind of punishment.