Updated Player Behavior Guidelines

ModUlanopo·3/5/2019, 1:55:37 PM·29 votes·16,080 views

Hello, Player Behavior!

We've been brainstorming for a while on ways to improve the Player behavior experience. We started a few months ago with changes to the way we moderate responses.

We’ve also gotten a lot of feedback about this subboard over the past year or so, and we’ve been tossing around some ideas. Now that we’ve put together a plan, we’d like your thoughts and input so we can see what changes or adjustments we need to make before we roll things out.

Simply put, we’re looking at adding a few simple rules:

PB Specific Rules Be Helpful In general, all responses should assume good intent on the part of the poster, even if there is strong evidence to the contrary. The only exception is when Riot officially presents evidence of misbehavior.

Most people who come to Player Behavior after a ban or chat restriction are frustrated, angry or upset. It is important that our responses remain positive and come from a genuine desire to help them understand what happened and why. Replies that are overly negative, dismissive or combative are not appropriate and may be removed.

These include (but are not limited to):

  • Low-effort taunts such as the Rammus “ok”.
  • Saying the community is better off without them.
  • Telling people you’re glad they’re banned.

Don’t Be a Robot We see a lot of the same questions over and over in Player Behavior, which leads to the habit of copy/paste answers. Responding to people in this way can feel cold and dismissive. If you choose to use scripts, you should also include something that is specific to that request.

No Dumpster Fires (Low Effort/Inflammatory Comments) While we understand the need to vent from time to time, threads that only serve to start drama and provoke arguments are subject to removal as low-effort per the Universal Guidelines.

Additionally, threads whose sole intent is to vent, rage, or express displeasure without regard to reform or assistance will be removed per low-effort. We want this Board to be a genuine avenue of reform and guidance.

Examples include:

“Riot bans people to make money off them repurchasing skins.” Threads with comments that are only intended to insult others. “You’re just a toxic idiot, glad you got banned.”

Leave Bad Chat in the Logs Players are strongly encouraged to post their complete and unedited chat logs whenever they are asking for feedback on a chat restriction or suspension. Accordingly, these will often include words and phrases that would otherwise be subject to strict moderation. They are permitted here, but only in this context.

It is not permitted to attempt to bypass the boards filters. If you wish to clarify what you said, please do so in a different fashion.

No Tests, No Experiments

Posts that encourage people to behave in ways that are likely to trigger the Instant Feedback System (IFS), posts suggesting methods of trolling in ways perceived as unlikely to trigger the IFS are not allowed, and posts that attempt to report the results of a “study” will be removed as they do not serve a purpose on the Board and are not permitted, regardless of the reason.

While we can understand the value of things such as ‘experiments’, the Boards are not the place to post that kind of content.

Let People Leave Sometimes people will come to Player Behavior to say how they’re quitting. They often ask others to do the same. Similarly, they may ask for a boycott of purchasing Riot Points. Insulting people who decide to leave or telling them something along the lines of “good riddance” isn’t appropriate or necessary.

Do Not Argue Context Discussions about why a particular word or phrase is likely to trigger a punishment are subject to strict review. In general, the only context that matters is what the League community in a specific region considers worthy of punishment. As such, discussions about the differences between the League community and other environments are likely going to be removed under the ban on political and social discussions.

To be explicit, no, we don’t care if a word used to have a different meaning, if it has a different meaning in other countries, or if it’s acceptable in other communities or cultures. We do not care if certain people believe a word or phrase can be reclaimed. Similarly, we don’t care if you personally consider a word or phrase to be inoffensive. While it’s an opinion you can have, it’s not especially relevant or helpful.

Give and Receive Honesty Coming into Player Behavior and creating a post means opening yourself up to criticism and discussion around behavior. If you plan to post on this sub-board, especially in terms of posting your chat logs, expect people to be honest with you about why your behavior could possibly be problematic. If you’re not open to feedback, the board isn’t going to be able to help.

There is a difference between honesty and disrespect. Try to be honest and helpful, not rude.

Good honesty: “You told people to die, typed several words that are considered slurs under Riot’s filter, and threatened to grief your team. All of these things are things Riot doesn’t tolerate, and they escalated your account accordingly. I recommend you try to be kinder to your teammates, and try to focus on your gameplay instead of others.”

Bad honesty: “You were awful and toxic, no one wants to play with you ever. I hope you get banned or smited so people don’t have to be next to your ass anymore.”

106 Comments

FizCap3/5/2019, 2:45:49 PM10 votes

I don't get it, saying "ok" is bannable now?

Imperial Pandaa3/5/2019, 2:16:14 PM5 votes

In general, all responses should assume good intent on the part of the poster, even if there is strong evidence to the contrary. The only exception is when Riot officially presents evidence of misbehavior.

Does this include intentional feeding in ranked posts where we can pull the replay for people to view?

While I get the give the benefit of the doubt; presenting potential issues that even we have access too (match history and some replays) should be okay as long as presented respectfully.

GreenKnight3/5/2019, 2:07:58 PM5 votes

While i hate strict rules, i guess they are necessary, at least for PB. But please, don't go overboard with them.

By the way, do you have something planned for guidelines in other boards?

DrCyanide3/5/2019, 2:37:42 PM4 votes

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/d8/d8e70ced94ff5310011dfc7a05df7f5b798cc661f8aff59df5f075d5445c0c15.jpg

The ideas are OK, but the length of presenting these rules - particularly for people who are coming here because they're upset - makes it less likely they'll read them before posting.

Umbral Regent3/5/2019, 6:44:48 PM3 votes

I largely agree with the suggested rules (as they look like they'd curb a lot of the uncooperative/unnecessary behaviors on either side of the fence), though I do have some questions.

No Tests, No Experiments Posts that encourage people to behave in ways that are likely to trigger the Instant Feedback System (IFS), posts suggesting methods of trolling in ways perceived as unlikely to trigger the IFS are not allowed, and posts that attempt to report the results of a “study” will be removed as they do not serve a purpose on the Board and are not permitted, regardless of the reason.

While we can understand the value of things such as ‘experiments’, the Boards are not the place to post that kind of content.

By and large, I can see that this rule is meant to hold against players who try to encourage others to troll or break the rules or test the waters on potential rulebreaks, but, I'm a little curious (if only for Kei143's sake), does this extend to posts listing personally acquired data with the message "guys, just to remind you, don't do this, or you'll get banned"?

And, if so, would such experiments only then serve as off-hand anecdotes in regular discussions? (I.E., Kei143 reaffirming a point by saying "well I've run a few tests on the ZT filter, it's working as intended")

All told, those (positive) science-ey posts were scarce to begin with, so this rule isn't likely to have any noticeable effect in that regard, but I still feel it good to ask.

Do Not Argue Context Discussions about why a particular word or phrase is likely to trigger a punishment are subject to strict review. In general, the only context that matters is what the League community in a specific region considers worthy of punishment. As such, discussions about the differences between the League community and other environments are likely going to be removed under the ban on political and social discussions.

To be explicit, no, we don’t care if a word used to have a different meaning, if it has a different meaning in other countries, or if it’s acceptable in other communities or cultures. We do not care if certain people believe a word or phrase can be reclaimed. Similarly, we don’t care if you personally consider a word or phrase to be inoffensive. While it’s an opinion you can have, it’s not especially relevant or helpful.

As for this one, it's another situation involving a rare occurrence (discussions pertaining to regional behavioral standards), but it never hurts to know how to approach it. Would this rule prohibit those discussions (such as "this behavior is treated more severely in NA than it is in KR"), and, if so, how would I best go about disengaging/closing off such topic threads?

'Cause I'm imagining that the only really reliable approach to it would be to tell the other person "Yes, there are cultural/regional differences, but if you're playing in NA, you're playing by NA's rules. We're not discussing how your chat logs would be viewed in KR/EUW/wherever..."

And, to add on to that (hence the ellipses), would it be overmuch to add a reminder that such subjects are considered actionable?

Give and Receive Honesty Coming into Player Behavior and creating a post means opening yourself up to criticism and discussion around behavior. If you plan to post on this sub-board, especially in terms of posting your chat logs, expect people to be honest with you about why your behavior could possibly be problematic. If you’re not open to feedback, the board isn’t going to be able to help.

There is a difference between honesty and disrespect. Try to be honest and helpful, not rude.

And, my last question, less concerned with the rule itself (it's pretty much the Golden Rule of PB), but, would I be able to see about getting my responses evaluated by a Moderator/Herald? I know you and yours in the Moderation team proper definitely have plenty on your plate (especially with the recent rules evaluations and relevant discussions), but, it's always good to check and see if I can't improve somewhere.

I always have the faintest suspicion that sometimes I can be a bit too blunt about my responses.

Jennifer4203/5/2019, 7:45:52 PM3 votes

disappointed you didnt include the idea a friend of mine suggested with positive feedback "chatlogs or didnt happen" a rule on the euw board that decleares if you want to discuss your punishement you MUST include your chatlog or the thread will be removed.

Jo0o3/5/2019, 2:50:28 PM3 votes

These rules, while fair, make me feel like I’m an unpaid Riot intern. I’m a forum poster, not a member of support staff.

Warlord Rhinark3/5/2019, 2:36:08 PM2 votes

May I recommend pinning (or stickying or whatever term is appropriate) this to the PB front page so everyone sees it?

Voldymort3/5/2019, 2:09:05 PM2 votes

Replies that are overly negative, dismissive or combative are not appropriate and may be removed.

These include (but are not limited to):

Low-effort taunts such as the Rammus “ok”. Saying the community is better off without them. Telling people you’re glad they’re banned.

what about memes?

If you choose to use scripts, you should also include something that is specific to that request.

i only bother doing that if the post is not basically the same as the one i responded to yesterday with a different username as the sole difference

Leave Bad Chat in the Logs Players are strongly encouraged to post their complete and unedited chat logs whenever they are asking for feedback on a chat restriction or suspension.

i wish you guys were given the power to check wether they were edited or not. Tantram drops by far too infrequently.

Posts that encourage people to behave in ways that are likely to trigger the Instant Feedback System (IFS), posts suggesting methods of trolling in ways perceived as unlikely to trigger the IFS are not allowed,

i think you should modify that to "posts and comments"

Let People Leave Sometimes people will come to Player Behavior to say how they’re quitting. They often ask others to do the same. Similarly, they may ask for a boycott of purchasing Riot Points. Insulting people who decide to leave or telling them something along the lines of “good riddance” isn’t appropriate or necessary.

can i

[vlad-salute]

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To be explicit, no, we don’t care if a word used to have a different meaning, if it has a different meaning in other countries, or if it’s acceptable in other communities or cultures. We do not care if certain people believe a word or phrase can be reclaimed. Similarly, we don’t care if you personally consider a word or phrase to be inoffensive. While it’s an opinion you can have, it’s not especially relevant or helpful.

you should probably pin this post btw

Good honesty: “You told people to die, typed several words that are considered slurs under Riot’s filter, and threatened to grief your team. All of these things are things Riot doesn’t tolerate, and they escalated your account accordingly. I recommend you try to be kinder to your teammates, and try to focus on your gameplay instead of others.”

Bad honesty: “You were awful and toxic, no one wants to play with you ever. I hope you get banned or smited so people don’t have to be next to your ass anymore.”

what about the shades of grey of the "You can be in denial as long as you like. see you in two weeks with your pemaban post" variety?

rujitra3/5/2019, 8:35:41 PM2 votes

I am concerned about the "be helpful" rule limiting ability to point out blatant lies in a players comments, or to do things such as point out their match history (in a noncondescending and constructive way) when a player says "people who do X are bad/deserve flamed/whatever".

As an example, if someone says that "going 0/10 should be punished", I feel it is a perfectly valid response to point out to them times when they themselves would've been subject to such a rule, as an attempt to show the poster how everyone has bad games.

As another example, if a player posts about a punishment where they claim things completely not in line with their chat logs or the match they link leading to the punishment, it does not seem constructive to force replies to assume good intent.

Assuming good intent is a great rule and will help cut down on non-constructive posts, but I hope exceptions are made not just for Riot postings but for obvious lies/misinformation/fudging of the truth on the part of an OP, as well as to use the OP as an example of themselves being subjected to their proposed rule.


I also think it may be useful to allow threads discussing context, but to prohibit this discussion outside of such specifically created threads (ex: responding to a player concerned about their punishment). Preventing thread hijacking is very good, but limiting discussion on a topic (the systems and rules) altogether does not seem like a benefit.

Horse Grenades3/6/2019, 1:20:55 PM1 votes

Favorite part of this:

“Don’t copy past answers” that’s literally all Riot support does