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Community attitude towards "flaming"/"Inting" is not OK and needs to be addressed

RohirrimRowan·4/12/2019, 1:41:43 PM·2 votes·2,054 views

Just got out of a game where I admittedly played pretty poorly, but ended up getting flamed by our jungler the entire game. He made references to "babysitting a monkey top" etc and was just generally a jackass to me the entire game. When called out on it, his response was, I quote, "Flaming isn't reportable." The fact that anybody could say this has me appalled, let alone the fact that this isn't even the first time I've seen someone say it - that makes twice in two days. There's a serious, massive disconnect in the community right now between what flaming is and what people perceive flaming as, or what the severity of it is. "Verbal abuse" is literally one of the report categories - I don't understand why people can't connect "dogshit solo lanes" with "verbal abuse".

There's also a massive recurring problem with what people define as inting. Inting is when people _intentionally feed kills. _ However, I got reported for "inting" recently...because I was dying under my own tower, trying everything I could possibly do to stay alive. This isn't an isolated case either, I see people constantly call "inting" towards people who are simply having bad games. The word "inting" has become synonymous with "playing badly" instead of the true definition, and this has become a major point of toxicity in games for me.

I don't think the system we have now is adequate. Continually toxic people will barely skate by, flaming just enough to piss people off but not enough to actually get banned, while I've also seen people get restricted/banned for calling people out on toxicity, because the toxic players then report the original victim. Sometimes, it's justified - the victim in turn becomes incredibly toxic. However, I've also seen cases where this is mostly unjustified - especially in cases where people call out exactly what the toxic individual said and then get flagged by the system for using the same terminology, even though the context is completely inverted.

Community needs a huge wake-up call. I'm not going to keep playing a game where 4/5 games I play can get me, or my allies, flamed over largely inconsequential things.

9 Comments

Serika Zero4/12/2019, 1:50:44 PM2 votes

I use my magical spell: /mute all

It makes all flames fade away, like, it's real magic, I tell ya. Use it as a prayer in chat at the start of the game :)

R107 Games4/12/2019, 2:16:26 PM2 votes

Just mute if you're being flamed; you don't need to use chat or hear what your teammates are saying, chat is not necessary for success, and it's mostly a waste of time typing.

Pings are much more efficient and quick. Majority of high elo players never even use chat, and if they are trying to communicate, they play with premades and use voice chat.

Typing is legitimately a waste of time and pointless in most cases. I've noticed it's mainly low elo players that have the misconception that chat is necessary to utilize, that mindset is probably why their low elo in the first place...

LordBadToo4/12/2019, 3:02:24 PM1 votes

There is a tremendous amount of misinformation and poor assumptions about how Riot handles their business. I assure you that the following is true.

Riot does not care how you play. Your performance will never be reviewed and you will never be banned for playing badly no matter how much people report you.
You WILL get banned for flaming, in fact, even if its super subtle and you don’t swear you can get banned, we have seen plenty of examples of people getting banned for extremely minor insults. The primary way people get banned is for what they put in chat.
Racism, Sexism and other types of bigotry is prioritized. If someone says something racist or sexist, report them and put in the log what they said. Riot is very intolerant for this kind of stuff and people have had their accounts permabanned on the first offense.. again plenty of examples of this.

Riot gets a lot of shit from this community and most of it is totally unwarranted. You do have to realize that they have a community that is in the doubel digit millions. The golden rule in IT service is that for every 250 users, you should have I service tech. So in order to properly respond and manage a community that is nearly 100 million strong they would need to have millions of service techs. Physically and financially impossible and as such the processing and management of users is likely done on a prioritization basis. Someone talking some smack on you and reporting intentional feeding is going to be ignored entirely when they are dealing with idiots throwing the N word around like its 1820.

Personally I don’t type in chat unless its a GG or some quick advice, but I do leave it on and report people if they step over the line. Some trash talk is fine.. no point in getting upset about it, but the racist and sexist stuff I report, I have even openned tickets in the passed if it gets really out of hand.

Also I’m aware of at least 30 accounts I personally gotten perma banned as I kept track of the player in question and usually after a day or two, they suddenly go permanantly offline. So I know that Riot handles their business, but again, they aren’t going to spend time on someone who lays down a bit of trash talk.. there are more serious offenders in League.

Drwizz4/12/2019, 3:11:45 PM1 votes

Mute.

Silly Neeko4/12/2019, 6:19:28 PM1 votes

Heres the thing, and take it from someone who has over 8000 games and only 2 chat restricts (with big time gap inbetween)..... mute the flamers.

If they lie to the enemy then who cares? Chat logs show it and it makes their report less likely to be looked at next time. If you talk back..... I have to ask why? What is the point? Are you hoping to convince them that you are not actually doing anything wrong? Sure you can try.... but if it goes past about 3 maybe 4 messages it is obviously not doing anything. Mute them and keep playing. They will do whatever it is they are going to do and you can report them after game.

Yes, people seem to mix up inting and getting targetted/having a bad game. If you are not inting, mute the person. If you are.... then you should be reported. They should not be messaging you because theres no reason to.

All replying to a flamer will do, is cause them to flame more and cause you to get irritated more. It does nothing. Muting them is the best way to avoid more flame from happening in general.... and it will let you focus on playing the game.

Its not that much of a problem. Just use some common sense and "walk away" from them in a sense by muting them.

Dorans Pants4/12/2019, 7:43:21 PM1 votes

I don´t really get what you want precisely?

everyone to be nicer to each other? or stricter, harsher, and more accurate punishment for players that step out of line?

Because the first thing you can´t really influence other than offering a better gaming experience and the second thing is something even I as someone who has never been punished for anything wouldn´t want because I know full well that if riot changed their policies or detection system or whatever it would be completely backwards and more inconvenient than helpful.

what constitutes verbal abuse is also blurry as hell and seems to expand more and more as time goes on to the point where the phrase "everything that is negative is offensive!" is not unheard of.

So imo, I would rather fight my own battles and just deal with the negativity that comes my way myself than having riot drawing an arbitrary line in the sand and trying to enforce a status-quo they can´t uphold anyway and maybe not everyone is onboard with.