Nothing Is Yours

rtbf23602824·5/21/2018, 6:43:08 PM·2 votes·2,613 views

Do NOT spend money on this game. As it is free-to-play, only do so. Per the terms of the user agreement--which even law school contracts professors don't read--Riot owns your account and all the time and money you have poured into it. When Riot gives you a notification that your account is valuable they are not being less than truthful. Your account is very valuable, to them. It has no value to you and is a worse investment than a new car. After making an addictive game and funneling otherwise frugal players toward it by labeling it free-to-play, Riot betrayed their consumers' trust by flooding the game with microtransactions and loot. There are players who have spent thousands of dollars only to lose their account--and money--for violating Riot's imaginary "rules." There are players who have spent thousands of dollars trying to get specific skins through random purchases and when they get close to owning the skins they want, Riot stops them from making more random skin purchases. And then there is the largest group of players of all, those who have spent hundreds or thousands of hours of their lives that they will never get back playing a game made by a company that doesn't even care about the game anymore. And the worst part is that Riot will never face the class-action lawsuit it so deserves because hidden away in the user agreement is an arbitration clause.

29 Comments

Kaioko5/21/2018, 7:05:52 PM14 votes

Read any terms of service on any online game you play -- they are all the same. You've got no grounds for lawsuit and honestly the entire post is completely childish.

Umbral Regent5/21/2018, 6:57:23 PM11 votes

Do NOT spend money on this game.

Make me.

It has no value to you and is a worse investment than a new car.

Everyone assigns their own value to things. You may not find a League of Legends account valuable, and that's just your deal.

Riot betrayed their consumers' trust by flooding the game with microtransactions and loot.

I dunno how completely optional microtransactions harms trust. The same goes for loot, it's completely optional, and loot can be completely free.

Then again, I actually have the capacity to trust a company.

There are players who have spent thousands of dollars only to lose their account--and money--for violating Riot's imaginary "rules."

What's so imaginary about them? They're clearly outlined in the Terms of Use, and they can easily be summarized with "don't be a dick".

Is it genuinely that hard to not be a dick?

...made by a company that doesn't even care about the game anymore.

Y'know, it's hard to believe that they don't care when they're working on the game near-constantly. Like, every two or three weeks there's a new update. And it's been going on for, what...eight plus years, now?

But, sure. They don't care. We know they don't care, because you, a random player not affiliated with the company, said so.

Rayjay Redfang5/21/2018, 7:03:29 PM7 votes

If you don't read the terms of service that is your own fault. It isn't hidden anywhere it plainly states that you don't own the skins or champions,they are unlocked to use. Also not following the player behavior is your own fault. It isn't hard really.

HalcyonDweller5/21/2018, 9:01:58 PM6 votes

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Do NOT spend money on this game. As it is free-to-play, only do so.

Who are you to tell me what I can or cannot do with my account on this game? I'm well aware of the terms and conditions, and if I still feel like spending money on the game then I damn well will.

Edit: and good luck with that court case. I can't wait to see what the judge/jury/mediator thinks of you (or other players) who want their accounts back after it becomes apparent that they used hate-speech and told other players to kill themselves.

Mcsquzzy5/21/2018, 7:17:00 PM5 votes

Failure to read something you agreed to, then wanting to sue. Is not a solid case unless the contract itself breaks the law. Which this one doesn't.

RallerenP5/21/2018, 7:07:56 PM4 votes

Do NOT spend money on this game. As it is free-to-play, only do so. Per the terms of the user agreement--which even law school contracts professors don't read--Riot owns your account and all the time and money you have poured into it.

And so?

That's very common knowledge, and is the standard for most online goods.

That 'nearly everyone' doesn't read the ToS isn't an excuse, as each person has to agree that they read it. You can't really verify it more without making huge sacrifices to the user experience.

Your ignorance about the ToS isn't an excuse. It's not Riot's fault that you read the (very readable mind you) terms. They aren't even hiding it behind large words and confusing language, they are stating it simply:

(No. What you “unlock” is not the virtual good itself, but rather, a qualified right to access it in the Game.)

It cannot be said more simple than that.


When Riot gives you a notification that your account is valuable they are not being less than truthful. Your account is very valuable, to them. It has no value to you and is a worse investment than a new car.

Of course. They can't speak for you. You account is valuable to them, and they aren't claiming otherwise.

And a new car can be a fine investment.

After making an addictive game and funneling otherwise frugal players toward it by labeling it free-to-play, Riot betrayed their consumers' trust by flooding the game with microtransactions and loot.

Ooooh, the thing they've always had from since the beginning? And the so-called frugal players just won't buy anything from Riot. It's still VERY MUCH free to play. You get free skins, free champions and none of the things you can buy for real money gives you an advantage. (Maybe with the exception of new rune pages, but the advantage is very minor)

There are players who have spent thousands of dollars only to lose their account--and money--for violating Riot's imaginary "rules."

The rules exist, otherwise no one would have been banned for them. So they aren't imaginary.

There are players who have spent thousands of dollars trying to get specific skins through random purchases and when they get close to owning the skins they want, Riot stops them from making more random skin purchases.

You missed a point:

There are players who have spent thousands of dollars trying to get specific skins through random purchases, some of these players break the very easy to understand rules that the agreed to, and expect to be able to get the skins they want.

Doens't really seem so unfair now.

And then there is the largest group of players of all, those who have spent hundreds or thousands of hours of their lives that they will never get back playing a game made by a company that doesn't even care about the game anymore.

[sg-miss-fortune]

And the worst part is that Riot will never face the class-action lawsuit it so deserves because hidden away in the user agreement is an arbitration clause.

And the worst part is that Riot will never face the class-action lawsuit it so deserves because hidden away in the user agreement is an arbitration clause I couldn't be bothered to read the ToS.

Oleandervine5/21/2018, 9:03:52 PM3 votes

Imaginary rules would imply the rules don't exist. They do, in fact, exist. They are explicitly written in the Terms of Use, so if you somehow missed the part where Riot tells you how you can get your account suspended for violating the rules they have spelled out, you deserve to lose everything you've invested in your account.

Përïclëé5/21/2018, 6:47:48 PM3 votes

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Kei1435/21/2018, 7:58:04 PM2 votes

Lol..

That's like the banks say that your house is an asset. It is an asset, they just don't say who's asset it is.

But a Riot made game, of course the accounts created are their property.

Azure Hamster5/22/2018, 5:03:03 PM2 votes

"usury" is charging interest on a loan. Forbidden in Islam, actually.

Caitlyn

Zombie Gerbil5/21/2018, 10:19:20 PM2 votes

Sorry, no lawyer could touch Riot and many other games out there due to the fact their clients agreed to it. It's like signing a contract before you even download it.

With that said, I've been here for 10 years since beta, and spent loads of money on this game and will continue doing so. [slayer-jinx-catface]

MemeL0rd1115/23/2018, 4:48:45 PM1 votes

Hush scarecrow ( if you only had a brain :) )

TheLastShadow455/21/2018, 7:59:53 PM1 votes

Are we really going to talk about this again?

P4ppino5/21/2018, 8:59:41 PM1 votes
  1. You don't have to spend money on the game.
  2. There are no microtransactions in league.
  3. Every moba's ToS is the same.
afmghost5/23/2018, 4:53:47 AM1 votes

The fact of the matter, first of all, is that when you buy anything in game (either through real money or through grinding), you are simply buying the rights to use whatever it is you got. You don't actually own anything. That's why when you buy a champion, it doesn't say you own them, it says you unlocked them. They're yours to use, but you don't have ownership. Second, you are the one who forked over money. Riot merely sold the rights to use an item to you. You paid them money, they gave you access to a skin, champion, or rune page. They didn't take your money and say "thanks for the money, sucker." Until they do, you lack a case. Third, you agreed to their license before you could run the game. It's simple: If you don't agree to the terms of service, decline it. You don't get to agree to it and then whine about it later. Sorry, but you have no argument here.