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REALLY REALLY Unjust ban

penetrati·11/24/2015, 5:18:48 AM·6 votes·2,389 views

Hi guys. Okay so I just came out of a 2 week suspension on my account. During this break, I sought out to really reform and behave myself when I was back. Mind you, I was negative before, but never extremely toxic, which is why received it. Nonetheless, I got permabanned RIGHT after my first game back off the 2 week suspension. FIRST GAME. In fact, I was defending a player on the team from 2 troll duos that kept talking trash to him. Here's the chat log. I find this unjust and ridiculous RIOT. I spent time + money on this game, and I was trying hard to be positive. This game has become a joke and now I can see how Riot treats their players who are trying become better in the community. This system is not working at all. We are better off not communicating in-game. They advertise how they don't want toxicity...but seriously? They need to review this case, especially a permaban due to ONE game? Please read the ONE game, I was being "toxic". I promise you it was never my intention to be toxic especially on my first game back.

penetrati: gl hf:) penetrati: gj guys penetrati: xD penetrati: k. penetrati: k. penetrati: wtf penetrati: r u doing lol penetrati: yes //Kha got ziggs killed, and kha blamed ziggs at 2min into game , but really it was khas fault, so I defended ziggs here. penetrati: you penetrati: not ziggs penetrati: YOu jumped in penetrati: LOL penetrati: how can u even blame penetrati: ziggs penetrati: when u decide to come in after he dies penetrati: just hit vayne.. penetrati: pls penetrati: play safe guys penetrati: dont feed penetrati: you guys penetrati: need to group penetrati: esp khaizx penetrati: i cant do everythign sry //Ziggs/Kha started blaming me although I was 16/5, saying that I wasn't doing enough, and so I apologized penetrati: stop penetrati: splitting penetrati: im honestly playing 1v5
penetrati: sry penetrati: cant do this // I jumped 1v5, but killed 2 ppl, altho I shouldn't have so I said sorry for going in 1v5 penetrati: wp penetrati: i killed penetrati: 2 ppl penetrati: are u insane penetrati: i killed penetrati: their 2 carries penetrati: and ur blaming me penetrati: good one bud penetrati: ur so play penetrati: ur god penetrati: are ub lind penetrati: i killed their adc // This is where ignorant ziggs kept blaming me about me going in 1v5 and me trying to defend myself penetrati: adn janna penetrati: along with that penetrati: kindred wasnt even penetrati: in the fite penetrati: chasing me penetrati: u know what penetrati: ur toxic af //Maybe I shouldn't have said this but Ziggs started harassing me a lot, really permaban worth off 1st game back doe? penetrati: pls report ziggs penetrati: kids blaming me penetrati: so hard penetrati: at least kha penetrati: isnt talking penetrati: i called u bad? penetrati: i said im facing a 1v5 //<Cleared myself here penetrati: i think enemy team even gets me penetrati: ur 2/5 penetrati: how can u even speak against me penetrati: right right penetrati: all u can do is blame penetrati: look at yourself penetrati: and your own plays
penetrati: i never said anything penetrati: you just made stuff up penetrati: in your brain of yours // I was like wtf is this Ziggs' problem? I didn't say the team was bad. He started making up stuff.i penetrati: ye 1v5 must mean penetrati: team sucks LOL penetrati: i must be doing nothing right ziggs penetrati: are penetrati: u guys penetrati: watching? penetrati: our team comp isnt penetrati: built to last late game penetrati: im just going to split push penetrati: only chance penetrati: that irelia is soo big // I tried to just split push for the team because we had a horrible late game comp, but I got blamed in the end penetrati: that irelaia penetrati: just 1v2 witohut baron lol penetrati: rip penetrati: got em penetrati: gg

Although, KDA wise I did do the best on the team, losing teams always need a scapegoat, and that person was me. Unfortunately, it was my first game back so literally there are no other games that I was reported for. I know this was an unjust permaban and I at least deserve an appeal on this.

55 Comments

Drive By Max11/24/2015, 5:24:12 AM5 votes

You were being toxic. You can't say that you weren't. Also, there was a 2 week gap in between supposedly that game and previous ones, however you probably were toxic in those as well. It's not a matter of time between games, it's a matter of report to game ratio.

fatherdarius11/25/2015, 8:28:07 AM5 votes

Playing league is a lot like... driving.

If someone is driving erratically or recklessly, the best thing to do is report it (i.e. call 911). If someone cuts you off, it's best to just ignore it and realize they're jerks. If you speed up and cut them off, and an officer sees you do it, you'll be getting a citation. "But he cut me off first" is not an affirmative defense. It won't hold water in court or in league of legends.

Escalating punishments? Same thing. Let say you get a DUI. You pay some fines, probably no jail time, lose your driver license of a few months. Maybe the court orders you to put a breathalyzer in your car for a year. Ok, fine and dandy. Two years down the road you get another DUI. Your fines are higher, maybe some jail time, you'll probable lose your driver license for a couple of years, and have to have the breathalyzer for 3-5 years. A few years go by and you get your third DUI. In most states you're now facing a felony. Much stiffer fines, most likely some jail time. Possibly having a driver license permanently revoked (depending upon which state/province/country you live in), and even if you get one you might have all sorts of limitations and require to have a breathilyzer for a decade or even a lifetime.

"But I was barely over the legal limit on my last DUI. How can they punish me so harshly?"

Because it's not only about severity. It's also about history. It CAN be a about severity (You're so drunk you pass out at the wheel and kill a minivan full of kids, you're likely facing prison, 1st DUI or not). Most state DMV's keep records of such things as traffic violations for anywhere from 5-20 years for purposes of enhanced penalties.

League is no different.

It doesn't matter how 'bad' or 'severe' your violation was. Your game either met the standard of being punishable or it did not.

In my opinion, it did. Calling for reports is a punishable offense. I may not agree with it (just like I don't think a person should be charged with a crime for being in possession of a personal-use amount of marijuana), but 'Dems Da Rules, as they say. Like it your not, it was a violation of the rules and I, too, would have voted 'punish' in the tribunal.

The fact that you've had 'priors' enhanced the penalty to the next teir. In this case it was a permaban. That's unfortunate. But the one thing it actually IS is 'fair' and 'just', because the same standards are applied to everyone equally.

"But the people harassing me didn't get punished...!!!"

If they were in your exact same situation - coming off a 14 day suspension, and were violating the summoners code, and got reported, and it was reviewed for a permaban - yes, they would be punished. Maybe that was their 1st toxic game ever. Maybe they got their permaban notification before you did. The system treats everyone equally. You may not like it, but it IS fair and just.

And finally even if it wasn't fair or just it wouldn't matter anyway. Until Riot, Inc. is acquired by a socialist state and is paid for with our tax dollars we have no real say in how they run their business, unless they're descriminating unfairly against a protected class (i.e. Muslims can't play league, lesbians can only play vayne, guys over 40 years old are limited to playing only Taric because they have potato reflexes, etc).

Source: Long years working as an administrative law judge.

I await your down vote since I didn't instantly take your side.

Mimy11/24/2015, 5:29:21 AM4 votes

Nothing in this chat semms bad. Sorry about your account.

This is why I just keep my fingers off the keyboard escept for skills and actives.

"Closed mouth gathers no foot" said a poster In school and its true.

To help someone getting bullies. Tell them to mute and report the player at the end of the game.

And that they sould wait a minute before going back into que so they done get qued with the person again. It happens.

Try sending a ticket to riot. May not work but. Options are limited.

Best wishes to you.

jaymc113011/24/2015, 5:26:11 AM4 votes

Link the report card. These logs could be edited. Not that they are, but the link should always be posted when discussing topic's like these. Also, chat punishments mostly don't get handed out for the quality of negative comments, but the VOLUME of negativity in a log. Posting a ton in a game means you are typing more than playing and is generally disliked by the community as typing when you should be playing tends to hurt the team.

Jubbinaut11/24/2015, 5:55:46 AM2 votes

The current system scales on recidivism (again - the Tribunal did the same). It looks something like this:

  • 10-game chat restriction
  • 25-game chat restriction
  • 14-day time ban
  • perma-ban

Your perma, in this case, was not merely due to this one game. Rather, it was because the system determined this game to be punishable (and it is), and your punishment history indicated that perma- was the next step on the scale.

TrulyBland11/24/2015, 4:21:10 PM2 votes

I'll go with your side of the story, since I have nothing else to go by.

There were a few things in there that would warrant a report. I won't mention them, because you mostly noticed them yourself when you commented your log. Note however, I said it warrants a report; not really a punishment all by itself. What I'm assuming is that when people are reported immediately after they come out of a ban, it automatically flags the account for review; in order to avoid people acting up out of spite and in order to simply catch permaban-material quicker. What happened next could be that the person reviewing the game (afaik permabans are still given out manually) took a few of those comments out of context - particularly the 1v5-comments. They saw you "didn't improve", because of those out of context quotes, and closed your account permanently.

So yeah... in my opinion a single game like that (even with a history of punishments) doesn't really warrant another punishment, so I hope you'll get a red or somebody on support to revisit the case. Edit: Mostly so, because they can actually see whether your story about merely trying to defend somebody else checks out.

Malaborath11/24/2015, 6:52:34 PM2 votes

you said "pls report ziggs", and accoriding to riot this is worth a ban. it's f*****g stupid

Korillo11/24/2015, 2:22:23 PM1 votes

If this is you trying "to reform and be more positive" I can't imagine what you were like when you actually considered yourself being toxic.

That chat log is pretty bad man, and for your first game back from a 14 day ban, you really took a big chance acting like that and it looks like you paid for it. You were constantly blaming people in the chat log your provided and overall being negative. They perma-ban people who are thought to be lost causes, and honestly if that was you being "positive" then you are a lost cause. Sorry to tell you that.