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REALLY REALLY Unjust ban

penetrati··6 votes·2,389 views

Hi guys. Okay so I just came out of a 2 week suspension on my account. During this break, I sought out to really reform and behave myself when I was back. Mind you, I was negative before, but never extremely toxic, which is why received it. Nonetheless, I got permabanned RIGHT after my first game back off the 2 week suspension. FIRST GAME. In fact, I was defending a player on the team from 2 troll duos that kept talking trash to him. Here's the chat log. I find this unjust and ridiculous RIOT. I spent time + money on this game, and I was trying hard to be positive. This game has become a joke and now I can see how Riot treats their players who are trying become better in the community. This system is not working at all. We are better off not communicating in-game. They advertise how they don't want toxicity...but seriously? They need to review this case, especially a permaban due to ONE game? Please read the ONE game, I was being "toxic". I promise you it was never my intention to be toxic especially on my first game back.

penetrati: gl hf:) penetrati: gj guys penetrati: xD penetrati: k. penetrati: k. penetrati: wtf penetrati: r u doing lol penetrati: yes //Kha got ziggs killed, and kha blamed ziggs at 2min into game , but really it was khas fault, so I defended ziggs here. penetrati: you penetrati: not ziggs penetrati: YOu jumped in penetrati: LOL penetrati: how can u even blame penetrati: ziggs penetrati: when u decide to come in after he dies penetrati: just hit vayne.. penetrati: pls penetrati: play safe guys penetrati: dont feed penetrati: you guys penetrati: need to group penetrati: esp khaizx penetrati: i cant do everythign sry //Ziggs/Kha started blaming me although I was 16/5, saying that I wasn't doing enough, and so I apologized penetrati: stop penetrati: splitting penetrati: im honestly playing 1v5
penetrati: sry penetrati: cant do this // I jumped 1v5, but killed 2 ppl, altho I shouldn't have so I said sorry for going in 1v5 penetrati: wp penetrati: i killed penetrati: 2 ppl penetrati: are u insane penetrati: i killed penetrati: their 2 carries penetrati: and ur blaming me penetrati: good one bud penetrati: ur so play penetrati: ur god penetrati: are ub lind penetrati: i killed their adc // This is where ignorant ziggs kept blaming me about me going in 1v5 and me trying to defend myself penetrati: adn janna penetrati: along with that penetrati: kindred wasnt even penetrati: in the fite penetrati: chasing me penetrati: u know what penetrati: ur toxic af //Maybe I shouldn't have said this but Ziggs started harassing me a lot, really permaban worth off 1st game back doe? penetrati: pls report ziggs penetrati: kids blaming me penetrati: so hard penetrati: at least kha penetrati: isnt talking penetrati: i called u bad? penetrati: i said im facing a 1v5 //<Cleared myself here penetrati: i think enemy team even gets me penetrati: ur 2/5 penetrati: how can u even speak against me penetrati: right right penetrati: all u can do is blame penetrati: look at yourself penetrati: and your own plays
penetrati: i never said anything penetrati: you just made stuff up penetrati: in your brain of yours // I was like wtf is this Ziggs' problem? I didn't say the team was bad. He started making up stuff.i penetrati: ye 1v5 must mean penetrati: team sucks LOL penetrati: i must be doing nothing right ziggs penetrati: are penetrati: u guys penetrati: watching? penetrati: our team comp isnt penetrati: built to last late game penetrati: im just going to split push penetrati: only chance penetrati: that irelia is soo big // I tried to just split push for the team because we had a horrible late game comp, but I got blamed in the end penetrati: that irelaia penetrati: just 1v2 witohut baron lol penetrati: rip penetrati: got em penetrati: gg

Although, KDA wise I did do the best on the team, losing teams always need a scapegoat, and that person was me. Unfortunately, it was my first game back so literally there are no other games that I was reported for. I know this was an unjust permaban and I at least deserve an appeal on this.

55 Comments

Drive By Max5 votes

You were being toxic. You can't say that you weren't. Also, there was a 2 week gap in between supposedly that game and previous ones, however you probably were toxic in those as well. It's not a matter of time between games, it's a matter of report to game ratio.

penetrati2 votes

2 week gap? I'm not lying, even ask riot to check it up. I was unbanned today, and it was my first game played today on it. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20764401

penetrati1 votes

You seem like a very pessimistic person, since you seem to be on my case over one game, and judge me based on it. You realize the banning system has no judgement besides the amount of reports instilled in it. I will stand by it. I was not being toxic, and I'm sorry if you feel that way.

Sona Ping2 votes

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You were being toxic.

[citation needed]

imNick2 votes

penetrati: wp penetrati: i killed penetrati: 2 ppl penetrati: are u insane penetrati: i killed penetrati: their 2 carries penetrati: and ur blaming me penetrati: good one bud penetrati: ur so play penetrati: ur god penetrati: are ub lind

REALLY REALLY Unjust ban. (2015, November 23). Retrieved November 24, 2015, from http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ljBacRXM-really-really-unjust-ban

penetrati: team sucks LOL

REALLY REALLY Unjust ban. (2015, November 23). Retrieved November 24, 2015, from http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/ljBacRXM-really-really-unjust-ban

Cited it for you in APA. Hope you don't mind.

Sona Ping2 votes

{quoted} Cited it for you in APA. Hope you don't mind.

lol

Okay, now we need an argument. You got the citation so I'll supply this one.

"penetrati: wp" As in "well played", not particularly toxic. "penetrati: i killed 2 ppl...." In this section, he looks to be defending himself from someone who is singling him out and blaming him for the results of the game, which is something that is actually considered "Toxic". Is someone not allowed to contend that their play had merits? One can say simple ideal things like "oh you shouldn't talk back. Just keep to yourself, move on and wish them a happy life" or one may personally dislike his particular choice of analogy but nobody I've seen here believes that we are forbidden to speak on contentious issues.

"penetrati: team sucks LOL" This is the worst thing he said. That's it. This is nothing, nobody cares that someone said "sucks" once, never-mind the kind of players he was with. This does not fall in line with what is punishment worthy or even that bad from community standards, and Riot has said they are pretty big on that. Even The Summoner's Code itself says that for things even worse than this, what players should do is just ignore it and let it go.

...Remember that this is a competitive game, and, more often than not, the other player is just venting their frustration. Try not to take it personally. Everyone has a breaking point and everyone rages sometimes. At some point you may find yourself in the other person's shoes. -The Summoner's Code

penetrati2 votes

Thank you Sona Ping for being reasonable. My intention wasn't to be toxic in this game. I was defending myself most of the time from 3 harassing players. And to clear up the "team sucks LOL", this was not what I meant. Read the line before it with it and it should make more sense. A lot of people got this part misconstrued. I think there is a huge difference in being toxic and this situation. In no way did I do something extreme or perma ban worthy.

penetrati: ye 1v5 must mean penetrati: team sucks LOL

Ziggs kept saying to the enemy that I said the team was bad, because I said sry for going in 1v5. He was lying in order to get the enemy to report me. SO I replied with, "Yeah, 1v5 must mean the team sucks "LOL"? The only thing forgotten was the "?" The interpretation that I meant was, "How does saying 1v5 mean the team sucks?", and i LOL'd because it was such a funny accusation.

penetrati2 votes

I don't do this often but people like you make me sick. People who need to fabricate information to blame someone. Read it again. penetrati: ye 1v5 must mean penetrati: team sucks LOL penetrati: ye 1v5 must mean penetrati: team sucks LOL

Ziggs kept saying to the enemy that I said the team was bad, because I said sry for going in 1v5. He was lying to get the enemy to report me. SO I SAID. "YEAH. Saying 1v5 must mean team sucks "LOL"? The only thing forgotten was the "?" but really it's quite obvious that it's a connected sentence and what the meaning is.

fatherdarius5 votes

Playing league is a lot like... driving.

If someone is driving erratically or recklessly, the best thing to do is report it (i.e. call 911). If someone cuts you off, it's best to just ignore it and realize they're jerks. If you speed up and cut them off, and an officer sees you do it, you'll be getting a citation. "But he cut me off first" is not an affirmative defense. It won't hold water in court or in league of legends.

Escalating punishments? Same thing. Let say you get a DUI. You pay some fines, probably no jail time, lose your driver license of a few months. Maybe the court orders you to put a breathalyzer in your car for a year. Ok, fine and dandy. Two years down the road you get another DUI. Your fines are higher, maybe some jail time, you'll probable lose your driver license for a couple of years, and have to have the breathalyzer for 3-5 years. A few years go by and you get your third DUI. In most states you're now facing a felony. Much stiffer fines, most likely some jail time. Possibly having a driver license permanently revoked (depending upon which state/province/country you live in), and even if you get one you might have all sorts of limitations and require to have a breathilyzer for a decade or even a lifetime.

"But I was barely over the legal limit on my last DUI. How can they punish me so harshly?"

Because it's not only about severity. It's also about history. It CAN be a about severity (You're so drunk you pass out at the wheel and kill a minivan full of kids, you're likely facing prison, 1st DUI or not). Most state DMV's keep records of such things as traffic violations for anywhere from 5-20 years for purposes of enhanced penalties.

League is no different.

It doesn't matter how 'bad' or 'severe' your violation was. Your game either met the standard of being punishable or it did not.

In my opinion, it did. Calling for reports is a punishable offense. I may not agree with it (just like I don't think a person should be charged with a crime for being in possession of a personal-use amount of marijuana), but 'Dems Da Rules, as they say. Like it your not, it was a violation of the rules and I, too, would have voted 'punish' in the tribunal.

The fact that you've had 'priors' enhanced the penalty to the next teir. In this case it was a permaban. That's unfortunate. But the one thing it actually IS is 'fair' and 'just', because the same standards are applied to everyone equally.

"But the people harassing me didn't get punished...!!!"

If they were in your exact same situation - coming off a 14 day suspension, and were violating the summoners code, and got reported, and it was reviewed for a permaban - yes, they would be punished. Maybe that was their 1st toxic game ever. Maybe they got their permaban notification before you did. The system treats everyone equally. You may not like it, but it IS fair and just.

And finally even if it wasn't fair or just it wouldn't matter anyway. Until Riot, Inc. is acquired by a socialist state and is paid for with our tax dollars we have no real say in how they run their business, unless they're descriminating unfairly against a protected class (i.e. Muslims can't play league, lesbians can only play vayne, guys over 40 years old are limited to playing only Taric because they have potato reflexes, etc).

Source: Long years working as an administrative law judge.

I await your down vote since I didn't instantly take your side.

imNick1 votes

This is above and beyond what I had to say. This is 100% true.

penetrati2 votes

No, it is not like driving. How can you even compare the repercussions in a video game and in real life. You want to use realtime statistics? Then I hope you know that in 2014 of all the convicts in the U.S there was a 0.27% margin of error of wrongfully convicted criminals. Also, in South Korea the number 1 cause of death is from motor vehicle accidents. Is this in line with League of Legends? The punishments are more severe because the stakes are higher in real life and when driving. I've worked in the corporate law field for couple of years now, maybe not as long as you, as you claim, but I know enough to draw a line between just and unjust.

I understand, you are making a point that RIOT makes these regulations, and there isn't much that we can do about it. I already know this. And cool, your opinion is that you find that what I said was toxic, and I respect your opinion, but your title as an administrative law judge does not intimidate me, and it doesn't show me that you are the end all be all. In addition, when you mentioned that the system treats everyone equally, I disagree. As I previously mentioned in the above paragraph there are times where people are wrongfully convicted, and when an individual is not treated equally. Why would I need to downvote? The community decides that, don't be so ignorant. The way that you present yourself, you do not sound like a judge.

Thanks.

jaymc11304 votes

Link the report card. These logs could be edited. Not that they are, but the link should always be posted when discussing topic's like these. Also, chat punishments mostly don't get handed out for the quality of negative comments, but the VOLUME of negativity in a log. Posting a ton in a game means you are typing more than playing and is generally disliked by the community as typing when you should be playing tends to hurt the team.

penetrati1 votes

I promise you that this isn't edited. Hold on I will post you the report card.

penetrati1 votes

I thought they would link a report card, but they did not with the permaban so I just uploaded the e-mail on imgur. Here you go, and thank you for kindly reading. http://imgur.com/edit?album_id=TXJjF http://imgur.com/edit

Mimy4 votes

Nothing in this chat semms bad. Sorry about your account.

This is why I just keep my fingers off the keyboard escept for skills and actives.

"Closed mouth gathers no foot" said a poster In school and its true.

To help someone getting bullies. Tell them to mute and report the player at the end of the game.

And that they sould wait a minute before going back into que so they done get qued with the person again. It happens.

Try sending a ticket to riot. May not work but. Options are limited.

Best wishes to you.

Drive By Max2 votes

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Nothing in this chat semms bad. Sorry about your account.

This is why I just keep my fingers off the keyboard escept for skills and actives.

"Closed mouth gathers no foot" said a poster In school and its true.

To help someone getting bullies. Tell them to mute and report the player at the end of the game.

And that they sould wait a minute before going back into que so they done get qued with the person again. It happens.

Try sending a ticket to riot. May not work but. Options are limited.

Best wishes to you.

There's multiple comments here and there, and he is HIGHLY passive-aggressive, which Riot frowns upon.

Mimy4 votes

I guess but I have seen ppl get away with worse. Or idk. He aint the sourest grape on the vine is what I say. Haha.

But yea you have a point as well.

Probably why I would of never made a good tribunal person.

penetrati5 votes

So you are indicating that highly passive-aggressive comments in ONE game is worth a lifetime ban? Really...I can't see that as just in society or any video game

Pentch1 votes

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So you are indicating that highly passive-aggressive comments in ONE game is worth a lifetime ban? Really...I can't see that as just in society or any video game

You had warnings and this was your last chance to change.

penetrati4 votes

I had what, one chat restriction, then a 2 week suspension, which I understand. I am attempting to improve and change during this. I come back, played one game, was apparently being too "passive-aggressive", reported by 3 toxic teammates, and then permabanned. REALLY? Because in my opinion, that doesn't sound too "just".People always need to find someone to throw blame on.

penetrati4 votes

Thank you for kindly reading through without rushing to judge, and I will be sending a ticket.

Jubbinaut2 votes

The current system scales on recidivism (again - the Tribunal did the same). It looks something like this:

  • 10-game chat restriction
  • 25-game chat restriction
  • 14-day time ban
  • perma-ban

Your perma, in this case, was not merely due to this one game. Rather, it was because the system determined this game to be punishable (and it is), and your punishment history indicated that perma- was the next step on the scale.

penetrati2 votes

Yes, I do know the current system. And you are telling me in your upmost honest perspective that this one game is punishable by a permaban. Be honest. And yes, this is the only game I played after my 2 week suspension, which was tonight. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20764401

Drive By Max1 votes

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Yes, I do know the current system. And you are telling me in your upmost honest perspective that this one game is punishable by a permaban. Be honest. And yes, this is the only game I played after my 2 week suspension, which was tonight. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20764401

No, what we are saying, is that this one game tipped you over into that territory. Some of your comments on this thread are why you had gotten banned. And it's not like it resets your toxicity meter, I judged based on what I had seen. It's not the actions in one game, it's the actions built over many.

penetrati2 votes

Do you have something against me? It seems like for some reason you think everything that goes against your own opinion is "toxic". What have I said in this thread that is banworthy? I'm a political science master's graduate and I really want to hear your debate on how I was being toxic with my comments. 1. I did not use profanity or racial slurs 2. I did not try to offend you or use derogatory terms to you. I'm being logical here, not emotional. Did you read my post? I said I was reforming over the 2 week ban, hence I was going to come back as a better person. So yes, I did get banned on my first game after a 2 week ban. Anyways, I'm not going to feed your flame, your opinion is yours.

Drive By Max1 votes

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Do you have something against me? It seems like for some reason you think everything that goes against your own opinion is "toxic". What have I said in this thread that is banworthy? I'm a political science master's graduate and I really want to hear your debate on how I was being toxic with my comments. 1. I did not use profanity or racial slurs 2. I did not try to offend you or use derogatory terms to you. I'm being logical here, not emotional. Did you read my post? I said I was reforming over the 2 week ban, hence I was going to come back as a better person. So yes, I did get banned on my first game after a 2 week ban. Anyways, I'm not going to feed your flame, your opinion is yours.

I never said anything in here was ban worthy, just that you've been toxic, which isn't entirely true, although you are more towards that side with the way you word things. Here's the thing though, if you had reformed, you wouldn't be posting this. You wouldn't have said a fraction of the things you said in that game. You did not reform, no matter how much you say you did.

penetrati1 votes

LOL.... are you kidding me? "I never said anything in here was ban worthy, just that you've been toxic," ---->" Some of your comments on this thread are why you had gotten banned" - MaxStormyStorm. Also, what kind of logic is that? I'm posting this thread to receive a fair judgment from my community to get my League of Legends account back. It is perma banned and I feel wronged against, and I want to play with my account I worked hard on. How does that make me less reformed or less of a person? You make me sound like I killed someone in my chat logs. Holy Jeebus, do you have something against me?

Jubbinaut4 votes

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Yes, I do know the current system. And you are telling me in your upmost honest perspective that this one game is punishable by a permaban. Be honest.

That's exactly the opposite of what I said. I honestly have no idea how you came to that conclusion.

And yes, this is the only game I played after my 2 week suspension, which was tonight.

I believe you. Never doubted that. Frankly, there's no reason for me to doubt it.

Your ban ended. You played a game. You kept being passive-aggressive and rude. You got reported. The system deemed your game punishable. It selected the next punishment up the ladder, because that's how the system works - the scale of your punishment is based explicitly on how many times you've refused to reform your behavior. Just so happens that the next step up the scale was a perma-ban.

If it had been a chat restriction, I would have said the same thing: "This is punishable. You received a chat restriction because it was the next step up the scale from where you were."

penetrati2 votes

It saddens me that you think that way. If you can't handle passive or aggressive, good luck in a career environment. Look, at this rate Riot might as well ban ppl next year for saying hello too passively or GG too aggressively. You see, anything said online can be used swayed to one's own perspective. You might as well remove chat from the game because people get reported for even typing, please farm safely these days. The whole point of a suspension is to learn from it and improve, and if the first game is judged like this enough to receive a permaban, then it is really unjust. But, I respect your opinion. I'm sorry you see it that way.

Jubbinaut1 votes

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It saddens me that you think that way. If you can't handle passive or aggressive, good luck in a career environment.

Y'know, it's funny. I never said a word about my own opinions or how I felt about what you said. Never once. And yet, you decide - like all of the other moderately toxic players I've ever spoken with - that by explaining Riot's stance on the matter, I am somehow "incapable" of handling whatever you were saying.

As a genuine question: why do you guys always have to make it about other people?

The whole point of a suspension is to learn from it and improve, and if the first game is judged like this enough to receive a permaban, then it is really unjust.

But... you didn't learn. You didn't improve. You kept the behavior right up. On your first game back.

This game is a punishable game. If it were in the Tribunal, I would have pushed the Punish button - and almost certainly would have been voting with the majority. Because it's still over the line.

The fact that your punishment is a perma-ban, though, has nothing to do with this game - it has everything to do with all the other punishments you've received.

penetrati3 votes

Never stated an opinion, "You kept being passive-aggressive and rude.". This is subjective, not a fact. Are you kidding me? "Like all moderately toxic players". It is like talking to a really stubborn individual right now. So stuck on only what he/she thinks that he/she does not give insight to another's perspective. It's easy for you to say that I didn't improve. Personally, I feel that I did and this game doesn't prove your point. That is your opinion that it is a punishable game. I believe it isn't, and there are people who agree. It's over the line? You realize I had 3 people, 2 who were trolls that reported me. It was an unfortunate game. I did not say or mean anything offensive to my team mates. In regards, to your "everything to do with all your other punishments" logic. Why does the past have to persecute a person's current status when he/she is trying to improve in the community. I've heard your opinion, and I appreciate it, but do not come to someone's thread and act pretentious, and skew your opinion as facts.

Jubbinaut3 votes

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Never stated an opinion, "You kept being passive-aggressive and rude.". This is subjective, not a fact.

Subjective? Perhaps. But I notice that at no point did you actually attempt to contradict or correct that statement.

You're also attempting to misrepresent my point, here. Yes, I believe that your statements were passive-aggressive and rude. I did not, however, indicate in any sense that it personally bothered me, contrary to your accusation that I "can't handle" it.

Which is what I was actually talking about when I said that I hadn't brought my own opinions into it.

Are you kidding me? "Like all moderately toxic players". It is like talking to a really stubborn individual right now. So stuck on only what he/she thinks that he/she does not give insight to another's perspective.

Please understand: I'm not stuck on what I think. My opinion extends only to my own interpretations of your logs - that is to say, that they're passive-aggressive and rude. If you'd like to contradict that, I'd be glad to discuss why I think that, what particular word/phrase choices I believe lend that tone, and more.

But you've yet to make that argument. So I've stuck with pointing out that passive-aggressive and rude behavior is considered punishable. That's not my opinion. That's Riot's opinion. And since my purpose in stating it is nothing more than to point out what Riot's stance on the matter is, there's no real point in considering your perspective on whether or not it is punishable. Because neither of us has the authority to make our opinions on it matter.

Which is also why I haven't - and won't - discuss whether or not I believe it should be punishable. My opinion on that is irrelevant.

It's easy for you to say that I didn't improve. Personally, I feel that I did and this game doesn't prove your point.

Fine. You improved. Sure. Whatever. I don't know what your logs looked like before this. But you didn't improve enough - because you're obviously still over the line, as evidenced by the fact that the system determined your case to be punishable.

That is your opinion that it is a punishable game. I believe it isn't, and there are people who agree.

And there's people who agree with me. This line of argument is meaningless unless you're intending to try to take some kind of poll on the matter - and even then it'd be a pretty invalid poll, since the sample would be subject to at least 2 different biases.

But I can say this. In my time on the Tribunal, I saw dozens of cases like this. About 90% of them were punished.

It's over the line? You realize I had 3 people, 2 who were trolls that reported me. It was an unfortunate game. I did not say or mean anything offensive to my team mates.

How you meant it matters far less than how they took it - or how it looks to an outside observer.

In regards, to your "everything to do with all your other punishments" logic. Why does the past have to persecute a person's current status when he/she is trying to improve in the community.

I dunno. Ask a lawyer about 3-strikes laws. Ask a psychologist about recidivism. I didn't make the rule. I'm just trying to explain it to you.

I've heard your opinion, and I appreciate it, but do not come to someone's thread and act pretentious, and skew your opinion as facts.

My opinions are my opinions. The facts that I have presented are nevertheless facts.

Fact: You were not perma-banned because of these logs. Fact: You were perma-banned because you have a history of punishment. Fact: The system determined this game to be over the line of acceptable behavior. Fact: Because the system determined the game to be punishable, you were issued a punishment determined by your current place in the punishment scale.

These are the points I am making. My own opinion - that is, my agreement with the system's determination - is irrelevant to these points. And yes, I did bring it up in an attempt to help you understand why the system made the determination it did, but - again - it has no bearing on my actual point.

penetrati1 votes

For once, I can agree with you for the most part. But, I still did contradict your original statement regarding the opinions. Anyways, both of our opinions are obsolete to riot because they make the rules and decisions in the end. But I still hope they can overturn this permaban. I dearly find this ban specifically unjust. I deserve a chance, even if they have to watch me like a hawk. It's fine if you disagree with me, but I do believe what I said in my chat wasn't as toxic as made out to be. Tbh, we can both be right in one way and wrong in another. I understand that. Anyways, I don't want to go on my spiel on how banning players doesn't fix the problem in the community. That it depends on the player when they want to change themselves like irl. Furthermore, I respect your decision and for once I feel like we're somewhat on the same page. But don't get me wrong, I am still fighting this until I get an appeal. There are people who agree with me as well. Just like you I am human. I've made mistakes in the past, but how else do you learn? That's life.

Thank you.

Jubbinaut2 votes

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But don't get me wrong, I am still fighting this until I get an appeal.

Good. I want you to challenge it. Challenging a belief is the only way to determine the strength of that belief - so every challenge to a ban like this helps keep Riot questioning themselves (which is good - one should never be absolutely certain of their opinions).

I just want you to be sure that you're fighting the right thing and arguing the right points, that's all. It'll make you far more difficult to dismiss.

Thank you.

No problem. Sorry for my lack of clarity.

Pentch2 votes

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Yes, I do know the current system. And you are telling me in your upmost honest perspective that this one game is punishable by a permaban. Be honest. And yes, this is the only game I played after my 2 week suspension, which was tonight. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/20764401

You deserved that ban since you were bossing everyone around and you told everyone to report Ziggs. Telling everyone to report somebody is considered harassment and is not tolerated. Report who you want, but don't make people feel bad in the act.

People play league to have fun and nobody has fun when somebody complains the whole game and bosses everyone around.

Obviously this game was the last straw and that's why you got perma banned. You had multiple warnings and still behaved the same way.

penetrati2 votes

How would you know? Were you in this game? I didn't boss anyone around. That's a new opinion. People in this community are either trolls or pessimists out to start stuff. I know, its online and it's easy to do this. My intentions were to avoid being toxic. There were 2 troll duos and this toxic Ziggs who reported me in the end, and they harassed ME. I defended myself a lot this game, hence why I was typing? People judge so quick before they make proper judgement sometimes.

TrulyBland2 votes

I'll go with your side of the story, since I have nothing else to go by.

There were a few things in there that would warrant a report. I won't mention them, because you mostly noticed them yourself when you commented your log. Note however, I said it warrants a report; not really a punishment all by itself. What I'm assuming is that when people are reported immediately after they come out of a ban, it automatically flags the account for review; in order to avoid people acting up out of spite and in order to simply catch permaban-material quicker. What happened next could be that the person reviewing the game (afaik permabans are still given out manually) took a few of those comments out of context - particularly the 1v5-comments. They saw you "didn't improve", because of those out of context quotes, and closed your account permanently.

So yeah... in my opinion a single game like that (even with a history of punishments) doesn't really warrant another punishment, so I hope you'll get a red or somebody on support to revisit the case. Edit: Mostly so, because they can actually see whether your story about merely trying to defend somebody else checks out.

penetrati1 votes

Thank you for your honest review. I wish they showed the chat log of how the 3 users were harassing me when I was trying to carry as 16-9. I was trying to carry and defend the abuse.

penetrati1 votes

Also, I doubt they actually reviewed the perma-ban case because I was instantly banned right out of that game. Unless RIOTers are robots and they can analyze a whole game chat log in less than a minute T.T. I have sent a ticket, and linked this thread. I hope for justice.

Malaborath2 votes

you said "pls report ziggs", and accoriding to riot this is worth a ban. it's f*****g stupid

penetrati1 votes

Even added the please haha. In all seriousness, he was soo toxic that he was fabricating stuff about me to the enemy, and so I broke my boiling point. I felt that saying it once was enough because he was toxic. I wouldn't have said it otherwise. I didn't even tell them to report the toxic duo. #permabanworthydoe

Korillo1 votes

If this is you trying "to reform and be more positive" I can't imagine what you were like when you actually considered yourself being toxic.

That chat log is pretty bad man, and for your first game back from a 14 day ban, you really took a big chance acting like that and it looks like you paid for it. You were constantly blaming people in the chat log your provided and overall being negative. They perma-ban people who are thought to be lost causes, and honestly if that was you being "positive" then you are a lost cause. Sorry to tell you that.

penetrati2 votes

Look if you are trying to troll me, I'm just going to ignore you. "That chat log is pretty bad man". Really? IF this is bad then I cannot imagine what people who use profanity or even threats or racism must be classified as. I even outlined in the chat log, the situation. Where did I constantly blame someone? Please cite all of it. If you saw their chat, would your perspective be the same? I was being harassed by 3 ppl and I was trying hard to carry everyone. I feel like this community has become really judgmental and childish. I miss the people from previous seasons that have a far more fair perspective for both sides.

Korillo1 votes

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Look if you are trying to troll me, I'm just going to ignore you. "That chat log is pretty bad man". Really? IF this is bad then I cannot imagine what people who use profanity or even threats or racism must be classified as. I even outlined in the chat log, the situation. Where did I constantly blame someone? Please cite all of it. If you saw their chat, would your perspective be the same? I was being harassed by 3 ppl and I was trying hard to carry everyone. I feel like this community has become really judgemental and childish. I miss the people from previous seasons that have a fair perspective for both sids.

Sorry if you feel you are being trolled. I am not trying to troll you. If you were being harassed that does not give you the right to return the harassment or be toxic in a game. Simply report those who are harassing you at the end of the game, it's that simple.

You may feel you were defending yourself, but by the looks of things you were insulting them back and promoting an overall negative game experience to everyone else you were playing with.

You do not need to swear or say racist things to be toxic. In some cases doing things of this nature will escalate someone to a permanent ban before receiving even a single warning, if it is that bad. Toxicity of this nature is an extreme example, and there are much less extreme cases that exist, which I would consider your case to be less extreme. However, it's still toxic.

If you need me to point out "examples" from the log you are provided, then it's clear that you are a lost cause. Especially since you noted that this is an example of you attempting to reform and be positive, which does not appear to be the case at all.

penetrati2 votes

Really? It seems like an excuse. I never said that I had the right to harass anyone. In fact, I tried my best not to offend anyone back. Yeah, I could've muted them, but defending yourself or someone else isn't a crime. It's called self defense in reality. You call me a lost cause, but can't point out these "examples of toxicity" that you imply. Is this being human now? People are so rushed to give up on others. I never said I was perfect as an angel. All in all, these comments seem pretty one sided and troll. I'm sorry if you really feel that way. A lot of people will tell you that I am well mannered and very polite irl. At least when I read a post I try to understand both sides of the story and then make a decision.

Korillo2 votes

{quoted}

Really? It seems like an excuse. I never said that I had the right to harass anyone. In fact, I tried my best not to offend anyone back. Yeah, I could've muted them, but defending yourself or someone else isn't a crime. It's called self defense in reality. You call me a lost cause, but can't point out these "examples of toxicity" that you imply. Is this being human now? People are so rushed to give up on others. I never said I was perfect as an angel. All in all, these comments seem pretty one sided and troll. I'm sorry if you really feel that way. A lot of people will tell you that I am well mannered and very polite irl. At least when I read a post I try to understand both sides of the story and then make a decision.

The entire chat log is an example of a player being toxic in a game. It sounds like there were multiple players being toxic in this particular game, which is unfortunate, but you are no exception.

I wouldn't say anyone rushed to give up on you. It sounds like you have had many games where you have been toxic. I imagine you received a warning initially, followed by a chat ban, followed by the 14 day ban you said you received, which has now been followed up by a permanent ban.

If this was a chat log from 1 game I would not agree that a permanent ban is necessary, but I imagine there are a number of examples of you being toxic in the past and that is the kind of behaviour we need to eliminate from this game, so permanently banning you sounds like the right move by Riot.

I would hope that you are well mannered and polite irl. It's disappointing that you do not carry over this attitude when you are online, but hopefully in the future you can find a way to be well mannered and polite both irl and online.

Good luck to you in the future.

penetrati2 votes

Really, so if this is considered toxic, what is that link I provided? Who are the 100000s of users who troll or purposely harass or threaten, etc?? You put labels on people and try to convince them that they are toxic. It's like a drug dealer getting a higher sentence than a rapist. If that is what makes you happy, then believe it. You are entitled to your own. Yes, previous games before the 2 week ban, but this was 1 game after it. The whole point of a ban is to allow you to improve, which is what I was doing. So yes, it was a 1 game judgement for the permaban.

Have a great day (as well). Sorry, don't want to look toxic.

But, good luck to you in the future as well.

Ramelznak2 votes

The problem I see with your thinking is that you are comparing yourself to others. I get trolls in game quite a bit, and I report them when they are toxic. Your behavior wasn't over the top, but why go there in the first place? The easiest thing to do in this game is to mute the toxic person (or people) and just play the game. Once the game has ended you can report them and leave the rest to Riot. Are there TONS of people who are more toxic than you? Yes. That being said you did say some things that were considered toxic according to the Summoner's Code/ reporting system. You said your team sucked, and you were exhibiting passive-aggressive behavior. Based on what you have told us, they probably deserved it, but that's not your job to put them in their place, it's RIOT'S JOB!

I used to do the full amount of tribunal cases every day, and assuming what the chat log looked like I probably would have pardoned you...but you were borderline imo. I hope that you get your permaban overturned. But then again, I don't know your entire history so I cannot speak for your past actions. If you do get your account back I would highly recommend turning off all chat and muting your team at the beginning of the game for a little while and see how that works for you. You can't talk back to someone you can't hear.

Good luck.

penetrati2 votes

Thank you. Honestly, I will just turn off chat overall if I do get my ban overturned. omg I did not say my team sucked EVER. This is misread. 3 ppl have made this mistake so far. I will copy and paste this full explanation on the "team sucks LOL" comment below. It is connected to the previous line. I said it to ask a rhetorical question to previous comments that Ziggs made. In terms of my history before the 2 week ban, I believe I got what I deserved. But, I was really trying to improve my behaviour in preparation for season 6.

penetrati: ye 1v5 must mean penetrati: team sucks LOL

Ziggs kept saying to the enemy that I said the team was bad, because I said sry for going in 1v5. He was lying in order to get the enemy to report me. SO I replied with, "Yeah, 1v5 must mean the team sucks "LOL"? The only thing forgotten was the "?" The interpretation that I meant was, "How does saying 1v5 mean the team sucks?", and i LOL'd because it was such a funny accusation.

Thanks.

penetrati2 votes

I can't imagine dude. http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/uNMYOlHN-to-any-concerned-summonerplease-help

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