Defending yourself isn't wrong.

Ad Astra per Asp·6/2/2017, 4:49:05 PM·3 votes·1,840 views

That defending yourself is actually a good thing. If four people are flaming you, it is better to mute and move on but sometimes 4 people flaming you just gets to you too much. Blaming victims who defend themselves is why Riot will always suck. To scale up the analogy, if four people started beating me on the street, and I sent them to the hospital, riot would have no self defense clause. Meanwhile the thugs roam free. I have rarely said a word to anyone who didn't start it and I disagree with Riot on a core level and I know I'm right.

You've lost a customer, as well as taught me a valuable lesson, justice is blind and so is your company. I can still count this as a win though, because I won't be wasting money on your game anymore and have the opportunity to put my free time toward better endeavors than your "esports" milk machine.

37 Comments

RiotRiot Tantram6/2/2017, 5:46:28 PM28 votes

There is only one proper response.

Step 1.) Type in chat, "I'm rubber, you're glue. Bounces off me and sticks to you." There is an optional twist, where you can add "period", or "infinite period". Doing so means you have gotten the last word.

Step 2.) Mute

if four people started beating me on the street, and I sent them to the hospital, riot would have no self defense clause.

If four people on the street started to approach you with violent intent, and you had a button you could press to magically teleport out of it ...

You've lost a customer

That's the point of a perma-ban.

You literally told people in the game, that your new game was to beat them in verbal communication. You stopped playing the actual game, to intentionally harass others. I fail to see how this aligns with any of your examples. A better example is you go out on the streets at night, in a ski mask, looking for someone to fight.

Jo0o6/2/2017, 4:53:40 PM6 votes

That's a bullshit comparison. But if you insist on comparing League flaming to physical assault on the street, then "defending yourself" by flaming back isn't the equivalent to fighting them off. It's the equivalent to giving them money and praising them. Because fighting back is what trolls WANT. By doing so, you're feeding them, and making everything worse for yourself AND for the community.

Internet trolls can't hurt you unless you literally let them. You don't "need" to defend yourself at all. Muting is the best option, period.

hshtagniemehrcdu6/2/2017, 4:59:32 PM6 votes

"Defending" means preventing harm to yourself. You are not doing that if you flame someone else. IT only escalates the situation further, creating the except opposite outcome you would want from "defending".

You can mute, you can even argue- as long as you dont start flamign yourself.

y, if four people started beating me on the street, and I sent them to the hospital, riot would have no self defense clause

This is complete and utter bullshit. If you attack these four guys, you do this because they present a physical threat to you. That's why you are allowed to harm them, it is because it prevents them from harming you. In LoL chat, this is not the case. If you mute them, their attack, and with this their threat, dies. They cant flame you (=attack you) anymore. There is absolutly no need to flame them back. Your analogy doesn't fit the situation at all and is nothing but a poor attempt to justify your flaming.

You've lost a customer

Dont let the door hit you on your way out. You are clearly not the sort of custumor riot wants.

EndlessSorcerer6/2/2017, 4:54:10 PM5 votes

Defending yourself is fine. Retaliating isn't.

Self-defense doesn't apply online because you aren't actually in danger and have the option to remove yourself from the situation (i.e. muting the offenders) at any time without consequence.

GankedByWindows6/2/2017, 4:56:19 PM3 votes

With the mute function available to you, your comparison doesn't work. Its closer to them stealing from you, so you go steal from them despite having them on security cameras. Just because they stole from you doesn't make it okay for you to do it to them.

KORGtuners6/2/2017, 6:43:36 PM2 votes

I won't be wasting money on your game anymore and have the opportunity to put my free time toward better endeavors than your "esports" milk machine.

Rock on.

OceanicEyes6/2/2017, 4:54:30 PM2 votes

It's not perfect, but muting and reporting works well enough. Flaming back just makes it to where you are as liable to be deserving a report as (depending on what exactly you say) you will also be breaking the code of conduct. The analogy is fair for real life, but in a game where we can silence the "beating up" without resorting to it ourselves, it doesn't exactly apply.

Ad Astra per Asp3/8/2018, 2:13:32 AM1 votes

10 months later, and my life has improved considerably without this soul sucking game. I have also had a much improved mood without toxic players constantly abusing me, and Riot leaping to their defense and telling them it's ok to flame ppl for having a bad gank or being a jungler. That's still A-Ok by Riot. What a bunch of hypocrites that promote their own garden of toxicity. You will punish anyone that has had enough but you don't actually look at the problem at it's source. You essentially enable people to be only "so toxic" to others. And punish the people that won't stand for it. You're a bigger problem than the community because you enforce this environment that grows toxicity. Either target players that cause problems in the first place by bad mouthing junglers, gankers, and anyone on their team doing poorly, or even just everyone on their team for losing, or make it the wild west so people can actually resolve conflict themselves. All you're doing is making it so abrasive mouthy people can jab at others and fish for reactions but they will be spared, only escalation is punished which is a very backwards attempt at moderating a community.

So far League is:

The only game I've ever been banned from in my entire life.
The most disruptive game to my mental and emotional state to date, with most of the games I played having me harassed.
The only company or any other type of body that has ever so poorly handled or failed to understand the cause and effect of what they're doing (essentially promoting people that go into games and are only "so" toxic, and punishing those who react)
The most callous and worst "justice" system I've ever seen. I'd compare the tribunal, how the employees treat people on the forums, and how "Lyte smite" does things as basically Lord of the Flies. You've turned banning into a spectacle with onlookers to hoot and holler you on, viewing it as entertainment. Basically you're worse than what you claim to govern.
only offers any real positive reinforcement far too late.

At least league is falling under it's own weight, quite some time since you released a concurrent player report eh? Others have done estimates and you're down 15% or more of your playerbase, rather than growing. I can only hope Riot is eventually a memory, you guys don't deserve any of your fame or popularity especially when there were better mobas made.

Xidphel6/3/2017, 2:11:10 AM1 votes

Does real life have a button that magically make things disappear? Of course not. That's stupid.

The mute button is the closest equivalent.

You've lost a customer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUl9NPPMx8s