open discussion on the tribunal and gameplay trolls

scazzman·1/13/2019, 3:30:59 AM·2 votes·3,519 views

we all know the IFS while good at dealing with chat offenses, is absolutely horrendous at catching trolls. with replay data now available, i would suggest bringing back the tribunal for gameplay offenses, while leaving chat to the IFS. trolling imo is ten times worse then anything that can be said in chat. with chat you can mute, but you have no way of stopping someone from inting or following you around stealing CS. i would also suggest changing the name of the "intentional feeding" report category to "griefing/trolling" in order to better identify other forms of gameplay trolling besides just running down mid

i would also like to see a change that any punishment for intentionally feeding in ranked is an instant permaban, not a 14 day ban

19 Comments

TrulyBland1/13/2019, 7:07:20 PM3 votes

I'm not sure the benefit of a Tribunal is worth the effort Riot has to put into it, especially considering that giving bans into the hands of players will always require a lot of oversight, simply due to accountability.

Tribunal originally already had a huge problem with how many bans it actually put out. Focussing on only one type of offense is clearly going to reduce the workload, but I'm not convinced it would do that a lot, as those cases are also going to be the most controversial ones (which means you need to have a lot of people vote on it until the result is clearly representative) and will only be easy to judge if there is not only very clear proof but also a helpful timestamp in at least one report. Pardons, on the other hand, effectively require you to watch the entire thing.

That leads me to the next problem: There are going to be a lot of pardons. For one because this offense requires intention, which can be fairly easily hidden. Additionally to those "pseudo-false" reports there are a lot of actually false reports in this category, where people simply hold people to a higher standard than is reasonable amongst their skill bracket.

Bottom line: Even when considering the lower amount of cases, I think such a Tribunal would work even less efficiently than the last, which in my personal opinion, is going to be even slower at dishing out punishments than the current system.

i would also suggest changing the name of the "intentional feeding" report category to "griefing/trolling" in order to better identify other forms of gameplay trolling besides just running down mid

100% agreed. I'm already happy that Riot changed the ban message, but yeah… don't know why it takes them so long to change this. I don't think I would include the word "trolling" though, simply on account of the ambiguity of the word. I've seen a lot of people use that word to describe non-serious or unconventional strategies, even if they have a reasonably high success rate. Sometimes even on account of people unambiguously trolling the enemy.

i would also like to see a change that any punishment for intentionally feeding in ranked is an instant permaban, not a 14 day ban

I think a season-long (or even permanent) ban from ranked would be more reasonable, additionally to current 14-day ban of course. What I would find more important though, is that Riot should instantly permaban people if it's clear it was "planned" trolling, in other words if those people entered the game already with the full intention to troll rather than just overreacting to something. I simply don't see why people who make the conscious choice to troll others because they enjoy ruining their games would change their ways. Especially since those actions are typically taken on throw-away accounts anyway.

Kei1431/13/2019, 3:46:28 AM3 votes

Hey Scazzy, good to see that you are alive and kicking. Missed you.

I recently got a punishment notification for unsportsmanlike conduct. Within recent member, there was an AP volibear afk pushing lanes.

I got the notification within 2 days of that game and didn't play for exactly a week.

If they did change policies. I sure hope they will give us a heads up about it.

AJStarhiker1/16/2019, 11:06:15 PM2 votes

I think the only way a voting system would work with the current player numbers is if it was used to check player opinions vs. IFS outcomes. I know the current system does adjust based on what gets reported, but it's based on reports made while tempers are high.

I suspect voting when there isn't an emotional knee-jerk might help Riot's anti-feeding system weed out false and revenge reporting.

EvilDustMan1/13/2019, 7:52:14 PM2 votes

The reason trolling doesn't get quickly dealt with us because an absolute intent to troll must be established.

Why would Riot then put it the hands of the masses?

ozzzz6661/14/2019, 3:10:50 AM1 votes

My experience with league players trying to get people reported for just simply having a bad game, or any number of non-bannable offenses tells me that putting those decisions in the hands of players is a bad Idea. People could just as easily troll in a tribunal as they can in a game. Maybe I could get behind it if it were a select group of players doing it. Permabanning for one inting offense is ridiculous though, IMO. If you want to permaban for a first offense, it should be for racist/homophobic/hate speech.

fatherdarius1/16/2019, 3:35:14 AM1 votes

Remember how the tribunal awarded IP?

I'd be okay with a new tribunal if players had to SPEND RP to participate.

That's right. Not Blue Essence. RIOT POINTS. COLD HARD CASH.

It's a win/win. Riot makes a little extra coin, and no troller/griefer/etc. in their right mind is going to pay for the privilege of reviewing cases.

It doesn't have to be a LOT of RP. Maybe 10-50 RP per case you adjudicate.

After the case is reviewed, if your decision was the 'correct' decision you get all (or part) of your RP refunded.

If your decision was the incorrect decision, you lose the RP forever.

I would participate. It's worth spending money to see that these type of players are banned.

YMMV

(I'll probably be downvoted, but here's my take - it's like serving on jury. It should be inconvenient. And even though you get 'paid' from the public coffers, you end up losing money because it's a pittance compared to what you're losing by not being at work and earning your regular pay. But you do it anyway. You do it because it is your civic duty. Because it makes society better. Because it's the right thing to do).

Telephone Booth1/16/2019, 5:22:43 AM1 votes

I dont quite understand how a tribunal of players was ever a good idea. Is there an application process? Why do so many people talk about the tribunal like it was the shit? It honestly worked, letting players judge other players? I would never trust these random LoL players to be the judge of anything, from some of the shit I've seen on the forums. Do you need a clean record and to pass some sort of screening process first? I would sure hope so.

hshtagniemehrcdu1/13/2019, 9:07:59 AM1 votes

Do you even know how the tribunal worked? You had the score of the player to judge wether or not he was inting. That was it. No further information.

The IFS may be ineffecient at catching intentional feeders, but the solution to this problem is not bringing back something, that was** even more** inefficient. In addition, the IFS can improve - the tribunal really cant.