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Perm banned which I personally don't think I deserved..

DatLatinoHeat··2 votes·2,051 views

I'm sure you've all read this kind of thing before but I need to speak my mind. Sure I deserved the previous punishments trust me I won't deny that. But I did change the way I spoke. I stopped calling people names. I stopped being offensive directly. I never trolled or AFK'd during matches. I get easily frusturated because I play ranked a lot and trying to climb as per usual.

So I'm asking for realistic comments here. No need for hate or trying to be an ass towards me I just want to know If I truely deserved the last tier of punishment after trying my best to refrain and be a lot more mutual than I ever was. Take note I am not the type of player to ever say 'drink bleach, kill yourself' even though I've had people say that to me and nothing ever got done to them. (I checked op.gg etc to see if they could still play days later and yep..they could)

Anyway moral of the story, here's how it went down. I got camped hard. I was okay with it at first and just being cheeky over it towards my laner (as you will see in the chat I'll post) I never called names or anything. Mind you the other team was toxic too. I started getting frusturated because everyone on my team ignored me and never tried helping especially the jungler (yes I know it's their choice). You'll see I mentioned requesting for a gank. Within the game I can see I'm getting ignored by him and everyone else which drives me to be more frusturated. And of course I end up feeding (not on purpose) because I'm dying all over the place and I can't play my best when I'm annoyed. So I wasn't deliberately going in or anything. Tried 1v1 and just kept dying and whatever.

So now we have 3 people within my team going off at me saying 'Shut the fuck up' 'You're garbage'. Especially one specifically player was extremely toxic towards me. And of course I reported them too and nothing happened ha. Here I am on the edge of a perm ban even though I've been less talkative and not even near toxic or anything EXCEPT for this ONE game where I'm evidently frusturated. Bare in mind on the reform card this is the only game I got judged upon and am permanently banned because of it. Mind you I'm really annoyed because I've spent a lot of money on this game. Yeah addicted and love it but I'm too competitive and have my personal issues which lead me to behave toxic even though I've improved dramatically. And yes I spent thousands in USD. Anyway here's the chat:

Game 1 Me: sec Me: main yorick Me: o forget it zed Me: we'll have fun once we turn lvl 6 dw Me: lmaooo Me: good news Me: thiis jayce sucks (was speaking to my team about my opponent. just meant I was doing fine in lane 1v1 before the persistent ganks. I was not saying he sucks directly to him in all chat) Me: i mean im fine with him Me: but he aint good in gen Me: fun fact.. an op champ jayce needs babysitting (started getting ganked again and again) Me: bruh Me: i will 2 shot eve later Me: i dnt even care lol Me: shame i was typing Me: hey jayce lets 1v1 without your babysitter Me: im camped btw Me: but dw Me: hey lee Me: wanna gank? Me: i said im camped dude Me: ite camp more important Me: np Me: ty for the help man Me: jayce has had help all game Me: mate idc Me: babysitting 24/7 Me: while ur mid and bot is gone Me: gg Me: cant 1v1 now eve got you ahead Me: yes i fed by getting camped Me: sucks dont it Me: ..2? Me: lmaoo Me: i got ganked 5 actually Me: 3..? Me: obviously u wernt paying attention

(this is the part where our mid laner is being toxic as hell and trying to call me garbage etc)

Me: ah Me: kk Me: let me look u up Me: i hope you're good Me: to tlak shit like that Me: damn zed Me: nice geeds in some games Me: feeds Me: yea awkward Me: dont call anyone garbage Me: at all Me: dont lol Me: call anyone garbage Me: your scores Me: uno what cutie Me: you enjoy this game Me: the loss too Me: im just waiting Me: so can report for toxic

(when I said I'm waiting I wasn't afk or anything I was just in lane doing my own thing)

Me: report for 1v1 Me: too garbage sorry (meaning myself) Me: ask zed Me: lol you were toxic Me: this is actually a good build (zed trying to tell me my build is garbage - which it wasn't at all lol) Me: look me up Me: and look at my scores Me: right now Me: actually im not at all LOL Me: for what? Me: trying? Me: thats right i did Me: 2? Me: lmao Me: i got ganked Me: several times Me: then zed wants to be toxic? Me: why should i bother? Me: why do we have similiar scores then in matches Me: if im bad Me: do tell Me: why do u have bad games zed Me: and if anyone will get banned Me: its you lol Me: that toxic talk Me: i will lol Me: apparantly im not allowed to ask for a gank Me: report me for asking for a gank while eve wouldnt leave top Me: plz do Me: it would get hard for u too if eve camped bot :( (the support talking in all chat trying to talk me down saying my feelings are hurt and basically trying to make fun of me) Me: i would bother if zed wasnt talking smack Me: so you can thank that cutie Me: scroll up Me: nah Me: just dont care Me: to help toxic ass people (<--- is that the toxic part?! seriously? stating a fact because they were toxic as hell and i guess i can't say ass) Me: if anyone is moaning Me: its you Me: yes you are lee Me: braindead for being camped (zed was constantly calling me braindead and saying i need mental help) Me: braingdead for asking for a gank Me: report me for asking for gank

I apologize for the brackets. Just trying to make it more clear as to what was going on and why I said specifics. I was not calling anyone brain dead btw. I was being called that. Basically quoting them.

The message also says (click link below) that I was extremely inflammatory and offensive within that chat. http://imgur.com/a/ovBjD

So do I deserve a permanent ban for that?

24 Comments

dPPobrjYEk5 votes

it's .006% now? probably includes every inactive account which is like saying only .006% of black people go to jail, while including dead black people

FaytalityHD1 votes

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it's .006% now probably includes every inactive account which is like saying only .006% of black people go to jail, while including dead black people

Lul good one upvote

Packun Flower1 votes

Have you not recieved chat restrictions before? The ban system works on a tier system. Your first offense is a 10 game chat ban. If you get this it means your account is in danger of being terminated. Being punished again brings you to tier 2 which is a 25 game chat ban. The final warning after that is 2 week suspentsion, then finally account termination.

There should also be more then one game of chat logs there. If you were not punished behore hand then it means you skipped Tiers because you wete "the worst of the worst" it tskes more then a single game of reports to get you banned.

It looks innocent enough BUT we on this board have learned that every offender in a ban case is always hiding, changing and altering the case in someway to mislead us and look innocent.

DatLatinoHeat1 votes

thanks for the reply btw. I didn't skip tiers I had all of them. I was trying my best to turn around and stop being toxic. honestly it's the only chat there and if you want I can printscreen it all and show if you think i'm altering/changing/hiding anything? everything i have listed is all in that reform card. nothing less, nothing more. i just don't think that chat deserved a perm ban lol

Packun Flower1 votes

You can always plead your case to Riot Support but its unlikely to be overturned, especially if you had chat bans and a suspentsion. It really sucks when an account is terminated but its not the end of the world. You are always free to make a new one and start fresh. With time and paitence you can get back to where you were.

Best of luck.

DatLatinoHeat1 votes

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You can always plead your case to Riot Support but its unlikely to be overturned, especially if you had chat bans and a suspentsion. It really sucks when an account is terminated but its not the end of the world. You are always free to make a new one and start fresh. With time and paitence you can get back to where you were.

Best of luck.

Not when an account is worth $7000 USD. (only just figured that out) I'd brush it off but I spent a lot and stopped being toxic after the 2 week suspension. Didn't think any of that chat would result in a perm ban :S It goes against everything that is report-worthy aka https://support.riotgames.com/hc/en-us/articles/201752884-Reporting-a-Player

Also uploaded the screenshots for you

http://imgur.com/a/vz0LV http://imgur.com/a/72qSL http://imgur.com/a/4rOz5 http://imgur.com/a/5rrfC http://imgur.com/a/yRBih http://imgur.com/a/l3dmk

Deep Terror Nami1 votes

To contest a ban you must submit a Support Ticket.

FluffyMcMuffins1 votes

Permabanned for that? Wow... I think I'm just never talking in chat ever again. Riot is getting way out of control. If you can get permabanned for that then at least 90% of the league community should be banned right now.

BeastlyPL1 votes

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You can always plead your case to Riot Support but its unlikely to be overturned, especially if you had chat bans and a suspentsion. It really sucks when an account is terminated but its not the end of the world. You are always free to make a new one and start fresh. With time and paitence you can get back to where you were.

Best of luck.

not only time and patience but money if he bought skins. ive lost $500 from perma ban at least, and it sucks. if this guy lost even a penny for that log alone i would be furious. Its a game and they need to drop this ban shit. biggest bunch of pussies out there. No other game has a harsh ban system like Riot does and its insane.

FluffyMcMuffins1 votes

The tiers of bans are still in effect? My account recently got a 2 week suspension with no previous chat restrictions or suspensions. Also the worst thing I said in the "unusual increase in negativity" period they referred to was suggesting that my teammates were boosted or purchased their accounts. If claiming that teammates aren't as good as the division they're in qualifies as the worst of the worst then Riot really needs to re-evaluate the way they're judging people I think. I'm pretty sure the frequency with which I'm told to kill myself and called every derogatory term imaginable means there's a lot more negative people out there.

I can only speak from personal experience and I'm sure you're right that a lot of people aren't telling the whole truth. But I've seen a lot of people saying their bans were undeserved and I too was doubtful of the validity of any of their claims until it happened to me. I may have gone overboard a few times, but I certainly did nothing so terrible that it was deserving of the "one step away from perma ban" treatment. Do note that I didn't even receive so much as a warning before this two week suspension. Personally I think Riot needs to dial it back a bit when it comes to people that just get a little steamed now and then.

Edit: I would like to add that punishing people so harshly and undeservedly is going to really have a negative impact on communication. The fact that I was banned for two weeks for such seemingly innocent behavior has made me fearful to say anything at all to my teammates. I say almost nothing in game now for fear that the slightest insult will get my account permabanned. And I don't think that fear is unfounded based on personal experience.

DatLatinoHeat1 votes

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The tiers of bans are still in effect? My account recently got a 2 week suspension with no previous chat restrictions or suspensions. Also the worst thing I said in the "unusual increase in negativity" period they referred to was suggesting that my teammates were boosted or purchased their accounts. If claiming that teammates aren't as good as the division they're in qualifies as the worst of the worst then Riot really needs to re-evaluate the way they're judging people I think. I'm pretty sure the frequency with which I'm told to kill myself and called every derogatory term imaginable means there's a lot more negative people out there.

I can only speak from personal experience and I'm sure you're right that a lot of people aren't telling the whole truth. But I've seen a lot of people saying their bans were undeserved and I too was doubtful of the validity of any of their claims until it happened to me. I may have gone overboard a few times, but I certainly did nothing so terrible that it was deserving of the "one step away from perma ban" treatment. Do note that I didn't even receive so much as a warning before this two week suspension. Personally I think Riot needs to dial it back a bit when it comes to people that just get a little steamed now and then.

Edit: I would like to add that punishing people so harshly and undeservedly is going to really have a negative impact on communication. The fact that I was banned for two weeks for such seemingly innocent behavior has made me fearful to say anything at all to my teammates. I say almost nothing in game now for fear that the slightest insult will get my account permabanned. And I don't think that fear is unfounded based on personal experience.

It's sad that they didn't even give you the rightful tiers beforehand at least. I'm sorry that it's impacted on your gameplay. I learned the hard way. Sadly what I apparantly said was harsh..god knows. I'm just glad I'm not the only one thinking it's too harsh to perm ban me over that lol fair enough if it was more.

And yeah you are right a lot aren't telling the truth but honestly I'd even video prove it. That's how stupid this is and how determined I am to argue against it because it's not fair at all.

I also want to agree with your comment about negative impact on communication. It does make you feel like you can't speak or say specific things. And everyone has their own views as to what is right and what is wrong. And by that I mean things can be taken into count as being deemed 'harshful' and where as If I'm looking at that chat for example, I don't find it harsh. I'm starting to agree with a lot of reviews and comments of other players complaining about how they're treated because of their perms and having the eligibility to appeal because it's not related to their reportable offenses. Also starting to think Riot just wants money out of it to make people make new accounts and purchase. Restart all over again.

FluffyMcMuffins1 votes

I used to think posts like this were a lot of hot air from people salty over getting banned. After receiving my two week ban for words far far less offensive than what I see in almost every league game I play, I am now afraid to type anything in chat in a game of League. Riot seems to want to create a community of people who are too scared of getting banned to talk to each other. =/

DatLatinoHeat1 votes

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I used to think posts like this were a lot of hot air from people salty over getting banned. After receiving my two week ban for words far far less offensive than what I see in almost every league game I play, I am now afraid to type anything in chat in a game of League. Riot seems to want to create a community of people who are too scared of getting banned to talk to each other. =/

My advice is to mute from now on lol it's a joke if you ask me. I'm not going to be salty over it though I'm arguing against it and appealing. Not letting them get away with perm banning me over something not worth.

FluffyMcMuffins1 votes

I hope it gets reversed for you. Anyone that says a perma ban was deserved based on that is being outright dishonest and trolling. I say almost nothing in chat now because Riot is banning people at the drop of a hat (well some people, others say the most vile things imaginable and get no punishment). I only say things that are purely factual and only when I fell it is necessary. Above all else I almost never reply to anything my teammates say just in case they take my response as negative. It's just not worth the risk at this point. Riot needs to do something about this.

DemothHymside1 votes

It definitely wasn't anything crazy, so even I'm a little surprised. I'm assuming his previous reports were way worse, and this was just the straw that broke through camels back. Sort of like being under a microscope where any little slip up, during a certain period, will get you slapped down.

I mean, he shouldn't have been going back and forth with those idiots because nothing good ever comes from that, but on its own, I wouldn't even say that it was worth a chat restriction; but only just off of the chat log provided. I am not privy to what logs Riot has.

FluffyMcMuffins1 votes

I agree there are instances where there is a build up so to speak and that can narrow the range of things that will trigger a punishment. In my personal experience though, do NOT count on it. My first ever punishment on an account that I have been playing on since before season 1 recently received a two week ban (no chat restriction and no warning whatsoever) for what player support labeled an "unusual increase in negativity." Yes I was being a bit nasty during a week or two period on account of some stresses in my life. I'm normally not a negative player hence the "unusual increase" part. What was the absolute worst thing I said in those weeks? Telling some of my teammates that they must have purchased an account or been boosted. That earns me an immediate two week ban without any warning or prior punishment ever in six+ years of playing this game.

Yes I was nasty and I absolutely deserved some punishment. Trying to make players treat each other in a civil manner is a good thing. However this was an extremely harsh punishment for a first offense that wasn't even anywhere near the level of nastiness I see on a regular basis in league. I would have been totally fine with a chat restriction as a "Hey you're being a dick knock it off" and I would have stopped. As I said I'm usually not nasty anyways.

Personally I just think Riot is going overboard lately. Like I said, moderation is a good thing. This game would be more enjoyable overall if everyone could just show some respect to each other. They just need to stop handing out two week/perma bans for severely unjustified reasons. I just hope they get their act together or I might just stop playing League. It's pretty oppressive having to say almost nothing in my games out of fear.

PístolPrincess1 votes

Feel sorry for you dude compare to normal toxicity in matches yes i did say normal this is very undeserved.

DatLatinoHeat1 votes

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Feel sorry for you dude compare to normal toxicity in matches yes i did say normal this is very undeserved.

Yeah. Like I said I've deserved my other previous chat restrictions etc I did call people 'fucking idiots' things like that which I stopped but obviously that doesn't matter to them. One little trigger and boom.

EvilDustMan1 votes

How long ago was your 14 day ban?

DatLatinoHeat1 votes

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How long ago was your 14 day ban?

Just over a month ago I think possibly a month and a half

IsoVhell1 votes

Deserved.

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